DOF and low light performance of medium format vs full frame

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I have sometime heard people say that medium format has better low-light performance and shallower DOF compared to full frame because of the larger sensor, using a similar reasoning from “crop vs FF” discussion. I am doubting whether this is true, considering the lack of fast equivalent lenses in medium format.

A 44×33 medium format sensor is 33/24 = 1.375 times larger than FF, assuming the final output size is cropped to 4:3 or square. By equivalent aperture, if I am shooting medium format at f/2.5 (eg: XCD V lens), I would achieve the same DOF and noise performance as f/2.5 x 1.375 = f/1.8 on FF.

But with FF, I can do better, as there are plenty of lenses as fast as f/1.2 or f/1.4 that would have much shallower DOF and collect much more total light than MF. The equivalent aperture on MF would be f/1.2 ×1.375 = f/1.65 and f/1.4 × 1.375 = f/1.9 lenses. There's only one f/1.9 lens on Hasselblad X-system.

Given these, am I right to say that:
  • A full frame setup could produce an image with much shallower DOF than medium format.
  • When we are limited by shutter speed (e.g., shooting handheld) but not DOF-limited, an FF setup could have better low-light performance than medium format.
  • When we are not limited by shutter speed (e.g., shooting on a tripod), medium format could still have better noise performance due to higher DR.
And the first two points are the opposite of what we see when comparing “crop vs FF”?
 
I have sometime heard people say that medium format has better low-light performance and shallower DOF compared to full frame because of the larger sensor, using a similar reasoning from “crop vs FF” discussion. I am doubting whether this is true, considering the lack of fast equivalent lenses in medium format.

A 44×33 medium format sensor is 33/24 = 1.375 times larger than FF, assuming the final output size is cropped to 4:3 or square. By equivalent aperture, if I am shooting medium format at f/2.5 (eg: XCD V lens), I would achieve the same DOF and noise performance as f/2.5 x 1.375 = f/1.8 on FF.

But with FF, I can do better, as there are plenty of lenses as fast as f/1.2 or f/1.4 that would have much shallower DOF and collect much more total light than MF. The equivalent aperture on MF would be f/1.2 ×1.375 = f/1.65 and f/1.4 × 1.375 = f/1.9 lenses. There's only one f/1.9 lens on Hasselblad X-system.

Given these, am I right to say that:
  • A full frame setup could produce an image with much shallower DOF than medium format.
Leave out the word much, and I agree with you. Add in f/0.95 lenses and you can put the much back in.
  • When we are limited by shutter speed (e.g., shooting handheld) but not DOF-limited, an FF setup could have better low-light performance than medium format.
Yes. To take full advantage of the larger sensor, you need to put more total light on it.
  • When we are not limited by shutter speed (e.g., shooting on a tripod), medium format could still have better noise performance due to higher DR.
Yes.

What I have said (and almost all of what you have said) is, AFAIK, conventional wisdom.
 
I have sometime heard people say that medium format has better low-light performance and shallower DOF compared to full frame because of the larger sensor, using a similar reasoning from “crop vs FF” discussion. I am doubting whether this is true, considering the lack of fast equivalent lenses in medium format.

A 44×33 medium format sensor is 33/24 = 1.375 times larger than FF, assuming the final output size is cropped to 4:3 or square. By equivalent aperture, if I am shooting medium format at f/2.5 (eg: XCD V lens), I would achieve the same DOF and noise performance as f/2.5 x 1.375 = f/1.8 on FF.

But with FF, I can do better, as there are plenty of lenses as fast as f/1.2 or f/1.4 that would have much shallower DOF and collect much more total light than MF. The equivalent aperture on MF would be f/1.2 ×1.375 = f/1.65 and f/1.4 × 1.375 = f/1.9 lenses. There's only one f/1.9 lens on Hasselblad X-system.

Given these, am I right to say that:
  • A full frame setup could produce an image with much shallower DOF than medium format.
  • When we are limited by shutter speed (e.g., shooting handheld) but not DOF-limited, an FF setup could have better low-light performance than medium format.
  • When we are not limited by shutter speed (e.g., shooting on a tripod), medium format could still have better noise performance due to higher DR.
And the first two points are the opposite of what we see when comparing “crop vs FF”?
That is essentially correct (with some qualifications, including false precision in the math above). Generally speaking, within certain limits, to take advantage of a larger sensor (or film frame), you need to shoot in conditions where light is not a practical limiting factor (typically outdoors during the day or in a studio with powerful strobes).

AFAIK the fastest autofocus lenses for any 44x33mm sensor are f/1.7; the fastest autofocus lenses for FF (36x24mm) are f/1.2, i.e., one stop faster. Depending on the aspect ratio for final use, those are essentially even or slight advantage to FF. But with FF there are tons of autofocus f/1.4 lenses, and for 44x33mm there are far fewer f/2 options. So overall advantage to FF.

There are myths around these issues, or at least outdated information. Of course 44x33mm at f/2.8 has shallower depth of field than FF at f/2.8. But of course comparing 44x33mm at f/2.8 to FF at f/2.8 is in most cases silly. Likewise, comparing lenses of the same focal length for sensors of different sizes is silly. Instead compare lenses of whatever focal lengths provide the same angle of view for their respective sensors sizes. Yet those sorts of comparisons persist.
 
Yea that's the sad part, the low light capability is great.

If you use it for social media the high resolution fades out the noise at max ISO very well when scaling down and you preserve a good dynamic range.

But on the other side I can just use my R5 with an 1.2 lens that has no need to boost ISO to the max.

I would really love to see a fast Hasselblad portrait lens.
 
FF systems has shallower DOF and better low light performance than MF systems, because of the developed lens selection. There are f1.2 primes for all FF mount with AF, and dozen of f1.4 lenses. I'm not sure on MF are an f1.4 digital system lens even exist.

MF has the superiority of resolution and dynamic range. The 100MP MF sensor base iso is 80, compared to FF iso100. MF peak DR is 12.55EV (iso80), FF 11.69 (iso100). Therefore at same aperture MF has better low light performance, but the problem there are no super fast lenses on MF, so the overall advantage at FF.
 
I always have a quite chuckle when DOF threads arrive on site. I appreciate the importance of differential focus, when isolating a subject, but we spends thousands of pounds/dollars/yen to purchase the sharpest, highest resolution lens we can afford and then we concentrate on the out of focus bits.

just a bit ironic.
 
But also light sensitivity, it's not just about the blurry part.

And by the way that Canon RFs can compete on sharpness at F1.2 with Hasselblad.
 
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AFAIK the fastest autofocus lenses for any 44x33mm sensor are f/1.7; the fastest autofocus lenses for FF (36x24mm) are f/1.2, i.e., one stop faster. Depending on the aspect ratio for final use, those are essentially even or slight advantage to FF. But with FF there are tons of autofocus f/1.4 lenses, and for 44x33mm there are far fewer f/2 options. So overall advantage to FF.
I agree in the principle point, that you get better low light performance with a current 35 mm format system than with a crop-medium-format-system. But the math of mixing sensor sizes and F-stops together does not work that rigorously for let's call it super fast lenses. F1.4 or F1.2 can be considered super fast lenses, but what does that means in practice?

First if you look at the bayonet of a Sony E-mount camera with full frame sensor, you notice that the edges of the sensor are shaded by the bayonet ring for perpendicular light. So there can be lenses made to be super fast, but only in the image centre. At the borders and the edges they are not F1.2, as there is simply no geometrical room for light to propagate to the sensor at F1.2. This is not a problem from the perspective of light sensitivity or vignetting (you can correct that digital), but from the perspective of bokeh. You get much "more"* bokeh in the centre and the bokeh get's less to the edges. *=larger confusion circles for point sources.

Another problem is that the common first-curtain-electronic shutter truncates your bokeh (and decreases light sensitivity). You must check, whether you can shoot a super fast lenses with mechanical shutter or not. The higher the F-stop number (=smaller the aperture), the less this is a problem. Leaf shutter lenses are another topic, I don't know that good about. Shooting electronic shutter only is problematic with large sensors, except you pay the price and image quality penalty of fast stacked sensors.

The third important point is the ability of sensors to work with fast lenses. As the F-stop decreases the maximum angle of light hitting the sensors increases quite a lot. See the sketch below. Sensors have micro lens arrays on top, colour filters, anti-reflexion layers and so on. All that is made for small light angles hitting the sensor. In practice going below F-stop-number 2.0 decreases the efficiency of the sensor. So F1.4 and F2.0 (in the image centre) is not really a stop of extra signal. And I tried, whether you have F0.8 or F1.0 is barely noticeable in the centre. At the edges it's the same.

Maximum angle of light hitting the sensor for different F-stops
Maximum angle of light hitting the sensor for different F-stops



If we leave the light sensitivity and look at bokeh: If we talk about depth of field, going the fast lenses route is in my opinion a dead route. You can do that, but your'e constrained to persons facing the camera in order to get both eyes at high resolution. But even then, if grandma likes colourful fancy LED stuff in her glass cabinet, you will have unpleasant structure in the bokeh anyways. In a studio you can choose a background (there are beautiful backdrops), but not in real life.

Going ultra-fast (F0.8) helps with that in a way, that the sensor gives a kind of soft roll for the edges of the bokeh circles. For large sensors that will give far to shallow depth of field and even for small ones it's ridiculous expensive. The much better way is in my opinion to use apodised optics. Canon makes sadly only a 85 mm F1.2 DS (which is far to fast), but the basic idea is to shape the pupil(s) of the lenses with a soft roll-off in order to get a smooth background. This way you can combine sufficient DoF and nice bokeh at the expense of light sensitivity.
 
I have sometime heard people say that medium format has better low-light performance and shallower DOF compared to full frame because of the larger sensor, using a similar reasoning from “crop vs FF” discussion. I am doubting whether this is true, considering the lack of fast equivalent lenses in medium format.
The problem here is trying to say what is "equivalent" and what is "fixed"

am I right to say that:
  • A full frame setup could produce an image with much shallower DOF than medium format.
It is possible with actual lenses

I came from a Pentax K1 full frame camera where I had Pentax's 43mm f/1.9 and 85mm f/1.4 - 1x and 2x the image diagonal. To a Fujifilm GFX-100-ii where I have the Fujinon 55mm f/1.7 and 110 f/2 again 1 and 2x the diagonal so equivalent fields of view

The the shallowest the 43 can get is equivalent to f/2.4 on the 55, so MF wins the shallowness contest. For the 85 it's shallowest is equivalent to f/1.7 on the 110 so there FF wins.

It depends on the actual lens you have for each and the margins are quite small.
  • When we are limited by shutter speed (e.g., shooting handheld) but not DOF-limited, an FF setup could have better low-light performance than medium format.
Assuming shutter speed is fixed, if you have a faster lens you can use a lower ISO if you use the widest aperture. ('Not DOF-limited' is a big assumption).
At the same ISO, larger sensor should win - assuming they are comparable technology and you're not comparing a new FF against a 15 year old MF. If ISO 800 on a bigger sensor looks like ISO 400 on a smaller one it needs 1 stop faster lens for small to close the gap - which I have between the two longer lenses above. But the technology of the sensors isn't really comparable, the MF one is newer so it is more like ISO 1250-1600 looking like ISO 400, and the faster lens doesn't beat the bigger sensor in my case. It might in others. Again it depends on the actual cameras and lenses being compared.
  • When we are not limited by shutter speed (e.g., shooting on a tripod), medium format could still have better noise performance due to higher DR.
Where you are not shutter speed limited and so can use the lowest ISO, bigger wins (assuming comparable tech level).
 
AFAIK the fastest autofocus lenses for any 44x33mm sensor are f/1.7; the fastest autofocus lenses for FF (36x24mm) are f/1.2, i.e., one stop faster. Depending on the aspect ratio for final use, those are essentially even or slight advantage to FF. But with FF there are tons of autofocus f/1.4 lenses, and for 44x33mm there are far fewer f/2 options. So overall advantage to FF.
I agree in the principle point, that you get better low light performance with a current 35 mm format system than with a crop-medium-format-system. But the math of mixing sensor sizes and F-stops together does not work that rigorously for let's call it super fast lenses. F1.4 or F1.2 can be considered super fast lenses, but what does that means in practice?

First if you look at the bayonet of a Sony E-mount camera with full frame sensor, you notice that the edges of the sensor are shaded by the bayonet ring for perpendicular light. So there can be lenses made to be super fast, but only in the image centre. At the borders and the edges they are not F1.2, as there is simply no geometrical room for light to propagate to the sensor at F1.2. This is not a problem from the perspective of light sensitivity or vignetting (you can correct that digital), but from the perspective of bokeh. You get much "more"* bokeh in the centre and the bokeh get's less to the edges. *=larger confusion circles for point sources.
I think that misuses "bokeh", which I understand to mean the quality of the out-of-focus areas. Do you mean to say that the depth of field changes? I think that's what you mean because you're discussing circles of confusion. So a couple of questions:

(1) Away from the center, are these lenses not f/1.2, or are they in fact f/1.2 but not T1.2? IOW, is there a difference in this regard between illumination and depth of field?

(2) Considering your "in practice" standard, are there any regular and current very fast lenses that don't vignette substantially wide open? You mention Sony f/1.2 lenses; are the Fuji GF f/1.7 lenses, the Hasselblad f/1.9 lenses, Nikon f/1.2 lenses, and/or Canon f/1.2 lenses substantially darker in the corners than in the center? In other words, in practice, to what extent is this a Sony issue, versus an issue with all current very fast lenses?
Another problem is that the common first-curtain-electronic shutter truncates your bokeh (and decreases light sensitivity).
Controversial opinion here, but I really see EFCS as nothing more or better than a workaround for certain shutter-shock situations. Otherwise, to me the choice is between full mechanical shutter and full electronic shutter. Yes, I realize there are a few cameras that don't have full mechanical shutters; to me that's a substantial omission. Again, not asking others to agree, I think I'm reasonably aware of the pros and cons, and each of us is entitled to prefer different tradeoffs.
You must check, whether you can shoot a super fast lenses with mechanical shutter or not.
Other than flash X-sync limits versus 'high speed sync', and running out of mechanical shutter speed in full 'Sunny 16' conditions, where e.g. you might hit a wall e.g. at ISO 100, 1/8000 s, and f/1.8, is there any other problem?
And I tried, whether you have F0.8 or F1.0 is barely noticeable in the centre. At the edges it's the same.
How about we say that half a stop is rarely if ever more than a fairly subtle difference?
If we leave the light sensitivity and look at bokeh: If we talk about depth of field, going the fast lenses route is in my opinion a dead route. You can do that, but your'e constrained to persons facing the camera in order to get both eyes at high resolution.
Don't get me wrong: I think the current popularity of ultra-fast lenses is excessive to bordering on a bit silly. For my taste they're misused more often than they're used well. For my uses and taste, a headshot is best at about the equivalent to FF 135mm and f/5.6 or so. I want both eyes very sharp and I don't want mushy ears. But for shooting full-length shots and more distance and printing / viewing them at moderate sizes, wider apertures can work well.

Also, to some extent output use / size matters. Depth of field that's too thin when printed 16x20" or even 8x10" might look good in a half-page magazine photo, for those who still remember magazines.
 
Given these, am I right to say that:
  • A full frame setup could produce an image with much shallower DOF than medium format.
  • When we are limited by shutter speed (e.g., shooting handheld) but not DOF-limited, an FF setup could have better low-light performance than medium format.
  • When we are not limited by shutter speed (e.g., shooting on a tripod), medium format could still have better noise performance due to higher DR.
And the first two points are the opposite of what we see when comparing “crop vs FF”?
FF is probably the best option for shallow DOF on the whole, due to the combination of sensor size and fast lenses (better than smaller and larger systems). And the system that offers the shallowest DOF is going to best for low light when you're willing to shoot with that shallow DOF. And not just low light, but sports and any other situations where you need to underexpose (i.e. shoot at high ISO) to get the shutter speed you need. I have a 180-600 that offers 600/6.3 on my FF camera. Previously, I had a 100-400 that offered 400/6.3. 400/4.5 isn't available on a zoom and a 400/4.5 prime (or even a 100-400/5.6) are more expensive than the 180-600. So I get a little bit of an edge with the (bigger/heavier) FF option. Whether I use that to put more light on the sensor or to benefit from a faster shutter speed, it's nice to have.

The MF comparison strikes me as a variation on "what good is a Porsche if it won't go any faster than a Civic during rush hour?"

You buy the Porsche because you don't do most of your driving during rush hour and/or because you love driving a quality car. I would only consider MF if I had a lot of photography to do that could be done at base ISO (in my case, nature & landscape).
 
AFAIK the fastest autofocus lenses for any 44x33mm sensor are f/1.7; the fastest autofocus lenses for FF (36x24mm) are f/1.2, i.e., one stop faster. Depending on the aspect ratio for final use, those are essentially even or slight advantage to FF. But with FF there are tons of autofocus f/1.4 lenses, and for 44x33mm there are far fewer f/2 options. So overall advantage to FF.
I agree in the principle point, that you get better low light performance with a current 35 mm format system than with a crop-medium-format-system. But the math of mixing sensor sizes and F-stops together does not work that rigorously for let's call it super fast lenses. F1.4 or F1.2 can be considered super fast lenses, but what does that means in practice?

First if you look at the bayonet of a Sony E-mount camera with full frame sensor, you notice that the edges of the sensor are shaded by the bayonet ring for perpendicular light. So there can be lenses made to be super fast, but only in the image centre. At the borders and the edges they are not F1.2, as there is simply no geometrical room for light to propagate to the sensor at F1.2. This is not a problem from the perspective of light sensitivity or vignetting (you can correct that digital), but from the perspective of bokeh. You get much "more"* bokeh in the centre and the bokeh get's less to the edges. *=larger confusion circles for point sources.
I think that misuses "bokeh", which I understand to mean the quality of the out-of-focus areas.
In bokeh there is quantity and quality. It would be nice to have both. Some guy's out there, want to do it the Stalin way.
Do you mean to say that the depth of field changes? I think that's what you mean because you're discussing circles of confusion. So a couple of questions:

(1) Away from the center, are these lenses not f/1.2, or are they in fact f/1.2 but not T1.2? IOW, is there a difference in this regard between illumination and depth of field?
I'm not an expert in wide angle lenses (there are crazy concepts like pupil distortion), but for let's say 50 mm equi. onwards: They are F1.2 at the centre and maybe T1.4 (just guessing) in the centre.
Towards the edges you get vignetting by physical cutting of light paths by (usually) the first and the last lens element inside of a photolens. That's the same like closing the aperture, just not in a rotational symmetric way.

That cutting light paths is geometric vignetting. In bokeh you see that as "cats eye bokeh".
Here is an image of the old Noctilux 50 mm F1.0:

It's like closing the aperture and you therefore get more depth of field. But as the pupil is not symmetric, so is your depth of field. I guess it's more pronounced if you adapt a 35 mm format lens to medium format sensors.

There are also other types of vignetting, but for photography geometrical vignetting is the most important. (And the sensor, for ultra-fast-lenses.)
(2) Considering your "in practice" standard, are there any regular and current very fast lenses that don't vignette substantially wide open? You mention Sony f/1.2 lenses; are the Fuji GF f/1.7 lenses, the Hasselblad f/1.9 lenses, Nikon f/1.2 lenses, and/or Canon f/1.2 lenses substantially darker in the corners than in the center? In other words, in practice, to what extent is this a Sony issue, versus an issue with all current very fast lenses?
I really don't know that lenses, most of them out of my scope. Two lenses I know have extraordinary minor vignetting are the Minolta 135 mm STF (on APS-C) and the Sigma 50 mm F1.4 on FourThirds. The latter one is a failed design, don't get it.
Another problem is that the common first-curtain-electronic shutter truncates your bokeh (and decreases light sensitivity).
Controversial opinion here, but I really see EFCS as nothing more or better than a workaround for certain shutter-shock situations. Otherwise, to me the choice is between full mechanical shutter and full electronic shutter. Yes, I realize there are a few cameras that don't have full mechanical shutters; to me that's a substantial omission. Again, not asking others to agree, I think I'm reasonably aware of the pros and cons, and each of us is entitled to prefer different tradeoffs.
That's a good point. I shot electronic shutter only. In case of some Sony cameras you are also sacrificing frames per second by choosing full mechanical shutter.
You must check, whether you can shoot a super fast lenses with mechanical shutter or not.
Other than flash X-sync limits versus 'high speed sync', and running out of mechanical shutter speed in full 'Sunny 16' conditions, where e.g. you might hit a wall e.g. at ISO 100, 1/8000 s, and f/1.8, is there any other problem?
I was just talking about bokeh. But if one truncates bokeh, I guess one also blocks some light from hitting the sensor.
And I tried, whether you have F0.8 or F1.0 is barely noticeable in the centre. At the edges it's the same.
How about we say that half a stop is rarely if ever more than a fairly subtle difference?
Well F0.8 and F1.0 (Voigtländer 29 mm F0.8 on OM-1) gave the same shutter speed and only a minor boost in image brightness. I just played around a bit a a trade show.

The Fujifilm S3 Pro is an example for a sensor, where you can see excessive vignetting in the bokeh caused by the sensor itself. You loose light (and it's dual exposure mode), but it improves quality of bokeh. (^.^) There must be a reason, why people liked it so much for portraits.
If we leave the light sensitivity and look at bokeh: If we talk about depth of field, going the fast lenses route is in my opinion a dead route. You can do that, but your'e constrained to persons facing the camera in order to get both eyes at high resolution.
Don't get me wrong: I think the current popularity of ultra-fast lenses is excessive to bordering on a bit silly. For my taste they're misused more often than they're used well. For my uses and taste, a headshot is best at about the equivalent to FF 135mm and f/5.6 or so. I want both eyes very sharp and I don't want mushy ears. But for shooting full-length shots and more distance and printing / viewing them at moderate sizes, wider apertures can work well.

Also, to some extent output use / size matters. Depth of field that's too thin when printed 16x20" or even 8x10" might look good in a half-page magazine photo, for those who still remember magazines.
In "american medium format English" there seems to be the terms "depth of field" and "depth of detail". With the former at a fixed viewing distance (=the human eye is the limit of resolution) and the latter if "zooming" into the picture. I agree to your perception of trends in portrait photography.
 
I have sometime heard people say that medium format has better low-light performance and shallower DOF compared to full frame because of the larger sensor, using a similar reasoning from “crop vs FF” discussion. I am doubting whether this is true, considering the lack of fast equivalent lenses in medium format.

A 44×33 medium format sensor is 33/24 = 1.375 times larger than FF, assuming the final output size is cropped to 4:3 or square. By equivalent aperture, if I am shooting medium format at f/2.5 (eg: XCD V lens), I would achieve the same DOF and noise performance as f/2.5 x 1.375 = f/1.8 on FF.

But with FF, I can do better, as there are plenty of lenses as fast as f/1.2 or f/1.4 that would have much shallower DOF and collect much more total light than MF. The equivalent aperture on MF would be f/1.2 ×1.375 = f/1.65 and f/1.4 × 1.375 = f/1.9 lenses. There's only one f/1.9 lens on Hasselblad X-system.

Given these, am I right to say that:
  • A full frame setup could produce an image with much shallower DOF than medium format.
  • When we are limited by shutter speed (e.g., shooting handheld) but not DOF-limited, an FF setup could have better low-light performance than medium format.
  • When we are not limited by shutter speed (e.g., shooting on a tripod), medium format could still have better noise performance due to higher DR.
And the first two points are the opposite of what we see when comparing “crop vs FF”?
You've got a point.

But in the real world sometimes those fast-as-possible lenses aren't that great wide open. And the narrow DOF, even on FF, can get small enough to be more like macro shooting than portrait, and counter productive.

In short, we might be bumping up against practical limitations whether in super fast FF land or even in MF land. Do we really need an amp that goes to 11, iOW?
 
But in the real world sometimes those fast-as-possible lenses aren't that great wide open.
Then those are not the lenses that are interesting. Canon RF 50 1.2 und 85 1.2 are perfect at 1.2. Probably because Canon build them bigger than they need to be for these specs, so some errors are already happening outside of the sensors view.

1.2 is great to take a photo of a whole person.
 
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Don't forget that FF lenses can be adapted to work on our MF cameras. Some project a large enough image circle to cover the entire MF sensor. Or we can shoot in 35mm crop mode without any coverage or vignetting issues. On my GFX, a 35mm crop yields approximately 60 MP.

I normally shoot portraits with my GF 110mm f/2, but I could also use my adapted Sigma 105mm f/1.4 Art (Nikon F mount version) if I want more extreme background blur, subject separation, or better low light performance.
 
Not much fun with the Hasselblads slow electronic shutter and focus that requires power to the motors in the lens, the adapter likely won't provide.

But would be fun. Especially since the Canon RF1.2 lenses are larger than they need to be to compensate for edge quality.
 
Not much fun with the Hasselblads slow electronic shutter and focus that requires power to the motors in the lens, the adapter likely won't provide.
I don't know about Hasselblad. Fringer offers an AF adapter w/ electronic communication to adapt Nikon F-mount AF lenses to Fuji's G mount. This will allow me to shoot with my Sigma 105 f/1.4 Art w/ full AF function.

I assumed the same types of adapters were available for Hassy, but maybe not?
 
When it comes to this stuff I prefer to ditch math and figure out what's what empirically.

Can I get sufficiently shallow DOF with my "medium format" cameras when I want it?

Yes.

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And can I get sufficiently deep DOF when I want that?

Yes.

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How this compares or relates to results from a different format or system doesn't matter to me while I'm using this one.

-Dave-
 
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When it comes to this stuff I prefer to ditch math and figure out what's what empirically.

Can I get sufficiently shallow DOF with my "medium format" cameras when I want it?

Yes.

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And can I get sufficiently deep DOF when I want that?

Yes.

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How this compares or relates to results from a different format or system doesn't matter to me while I'm using this one.
Couldn't agree more. Especially with that closing comment.

Very nice images.

--
Rich
"That's like, just your opinion, man." ;-)
 
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When it comes to this stuff I prefer to ditch math and figure out what's what empirically.

Can I get sufficiently shallow DOF with my "medium format" cameras when I want it?

Yes.

And can I get sufficiently deep DOF when I want that?

Yes.

How this compares or relates to results from a different format or system doesn't matter to me while I'm using this one.

-Dave-
very well stated..
 

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