DLSR vs mirrorless

[Mal Paso]

FF Mirrorless is just a passing fad, my neighbors cell phone is 50MP.

How big is that 50MP sensor?

Probably 6mm but he has my Z7 beat by almost 5MP. He's also got all the post software on the phone too. Z days are numbered! LOL

 

[NickZ2016]

After using the modern tuch-screen mobiles, will you go back to old keypad mobiles?

Even if manual transmission has it's advantages, preferred are the automatic cars...

So forget DSLR and enjoy your ML camera...

Oh, I adore standards. I've only driven a standard for the past 27 years or so.

I had a 1991 Audi 200 Turbo Quattro with five-speed manual.

Then a 2002 Honda Civic LX coupe with five-speed manual.

Now a 2012 Honda Civic Is coupe with six-speed manual.

It's the only way to drive.

People with automatics are missing out.

It is strange when I -- every so often -- wind up driving an automatic car. Every time this happens: I come to my first stop sign. I move my foot to the clutch pedal. I feel a sting of slight panic, coz I can't find the clutch pedal! Then I remember I'm driving an automatic ... a slush box. XD

Forty years ago some companies just replaced the clutch pedal with a computer. It's basically the same gearbox. Anything with paddle shifters is likely this.

Plus with the shift to hybrids and EV a clutch is very much last century. I've got three motors in my car that the computer keeps in sync.

 

[capanikon]

Forty years ago some companies just replaced the clutch pedal with a computer. It's basically the same gearbox. Anything with paddle shifters is likely this.

Plus with the shift to hybrids and EV a clutch is very much last century. I've got three motors in my car that the computer keeps in sync.

I like the clutch pedal. It's fun. Paddles can't be the same ... basically an automatic.

EV users will also be missing out on the enjoyment of the manual transmission.

 

[pcgeekesq]

EV users will also be missing out on the enjoyment of the manual transmission.

Automobile drivers miss out on the joys of reigning a horse.

 

[Jake James]

Forty years ago some companies just replaced the clutch pedal with a computer. It's basically the same gearbox. Anything with paddle shifters is likely this.

Plus with the shift to hybrids and EV a clutch is very much last century. I've got three motors in my car that the computer keeps in sync.

I like the clutch pedal. It's fun. Paddles can't be the same ... basically an automatic.

EV users will also be missing out on the enjoyment of the manual transmission.

Enjoyment? A Manual is simply a source of Frustration. 45 yrs ago, I destroyed a Clutch in one day, It smelled so bad, the boss was hopping up and down, yelling about it. I just replied I had never driven one of those Effin things before. Today, I still can't, I even destroyed the Clutch-Transmission on my Motorbike. Just can't coordinate any action between the Right and Left sides of my body. When I do get a Vehicle with a Manual moving, I won't touch the clutch again until I have to restart the engine, cause it will stall as I slow down to stop. I found I could shift gears without using the Clutch. I really like the Stab and Steer method the Auto provides

 

[NickZ2016]

You'll hate F1

 

[chambeshi]

I use a Z9 and D6 in tandem. Complementary instruments.The D6 is arguably the best DSLR ever made.

The Z7 was my first MILC added to DSLRs (after also nearly 2 decades with Coolpix P&S). The EVF is excellent and even better in the Z9. Batteries in these MILCs have been a constraint, provided one is organized.

And my 4+ year old D850 works as well as ever

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4541868

https://bcgforums.com/index.php?thr...cking-mode-in-the-nikon-d6.22929/#post-260057

 

[aniltulsi]

After using the modern tuch-screen mobiles, will you go back to old keypad mobiles?

Even if manual transmission has it's advantages, preferred are the automatic cars...

So forget DSLR and enjoy your ML camera...

Oh, I adore standards. I've only driven a standard for the past 27 years or so.

I had a 1991 Audi 200 Turbo Quattro with five-speed manual.

Then a 2002 Honda Civic LX coupe with five-speed manual.

Now a 2012 Honda Civic Is coupe with six-speed manual.

It's the only way to drive.

People with automatics are missing out.

It is strange when I -- every so often -- wind up driving an automatic car. Every time this happens: I come to my first stop sign. I move my foot to the clutch pedal. I feel a sting of slight panic, coz I can't find the clutch pedal! Then I remember I'm driving an automatic ... a slush box. XD

 

[jjz2]

Forty years ago some companies just replaced the clutch pedal with a computer. It's basically the same gearbox. Anything with paddle shifters is likely this.

Plus with the shift to hybrids and EV a clutch is very much last century. I've got three motors in my car that the computer keeps in sync.

I like the clutch pedal. It's fun. Paddles can't be the same ... basically an automatic.

EV users will also be missing out on the enjoyment of the manual transmission.

 

[Bob A L]

I am one of those that prefer the DSLR. I own a Z fc Nikon and like to use it for just fooling around, but for important things usually grab one of my DSLR's and for anything involving action or fast movement or subjects there is no thought of grabbing anything but one of my dslr's.

I largely use the same lenses on both types, and only have two Z mount lenses. But all my AFS F mounts lenses I have tested perform as well or better on the Z body compared to my DSLR bodies and equal to the Z lenses that I own.

I found out the real world part about the batteries this past weekend. Had a family Easter gathering with lots of kids and the usual easter egg hunt that momma wanted lots of pictures of. I took my Z camera and the 16-50 and 50-250 lenses. As it was just an afternoon event and I had two fully charged batteries figured nothing to worry about there, but when the low battery light came on in the middle of the afternoon, I was really surprised. I can't ever remember an event like this that the thought of using more than one battery was even a consideration with my DSLR's. After checking, I had only taken 150 photos and 3 short videos, but due to the circumstances of the event the camera was on for extensive periods of time. I have found that if I turn the camera off between shots that I will miss most of the opportunities with a large bunch of kids especially with the mirrorless. I'm used to leaving my DSLR's on all the time and batteries lasting for months and thousands of photos.

So in sunmary, I like to play with the mirrorless and it makes great photos with any Nikon AFS, AFP, or Z lens, but is not nearly as responsive as far as startup and af and has the unavoidable viewing lag plus not being able to see the scene as it really is. So I can't see me ever being without a DSLR.

 

[mrbr]

I can't believe the site is closing!!! It is starting to sink in and I don't like it! Anyways...

I have always been a grass is always greener guy, and when I can't make a decision between two products I usually buy both. I've done this for clothing, electronics, medical instruments, kitchen tools; you name it.

I have never owned a DLSR. I have purchased a few Sony point and Canon point and shoot cameras over the years. Two years ago I took the plunge and got myself a Z50 and loved it. Previously I've had a few friends into photography and they had DSLR, but I've never even used one. Love the idea of getting 1200 shots per charge instead of 300. I like the idea of autofocus that performs better. The sensor on top of the line Nikon DSLR's is comparable to the Z sensors and maybe even a little better. This could be offset however with better lenses. As a person who feels as if they are always missing out, I wonder what it would have been like to use say a D780 or D850. Is there anyone here that prefers theses DLSR's to Nikon's newest Z offerings? The only thing I don't like is the size, which is considerably bigger.

I suggest you buy a second hand

D7500 (Nikon D7500 Camera Review | DSLRBodies | Thom Hogan)

+ f1.8 35mm dx (Nikon 35mm f/1.8G DX AF-S Lens Review | DSLRBodies | Thom Hogan)

or

D780 (Nikon D780 Camera Review | DSLRBodies | Thom Hogan)

+ 50mm f1.8 (Nikon 50mm f/1.8G AF-S Lens Review | DSLRBodies | Thom Hogan).

You can experiment and find out for yourself. If you don't like them , sell it and you will not loose a lot of money.

 

[Hurakami Mambo]

Can you tell us anything about the D7200?

 

[mrbr]

Can you tell us anything about the D7200?

See Nikon D7200 Camera Review | DSLRBodies | Thom Hogan

also interesting : Nikon D7500 Camera Review | DSLRBodies | Thom Hogan

 

[Fullframer]

Forty years ago some companies just replaced the clutch pedal with a computer. It's basically the same gearbox. Anything with paddle shifters is likely this.

Plus with the shift to hybrids and EV a clutch is very much last century. I've got three motors in my car that the computer keeps in sync.

I like the clutch pedal. It's fun. Paddles can't be the same ... basically an automatic.

EV users will also be missing out on the enjoyment of the manual transmission.

 

[Fullframer]

After using the modern tuch-screen mobiles, will you go back to old keypad mobiles?

Even if manual transmission has it's advantages, preferred are the automatic cars...

So forget DSLR and enjoy your ML camera...

Oh, I adore standards. I've only driven a standard for the past 27 years or so.

I had a 1991 Audi 200 Turbo Quattro with five-speed manual.

Then a 2002 Honda Civic LX coupe with five-speed manual.

Now a 2012 Honda Civic Is coupe with six-speed manual.

It's the only way to drive.

People with automatics are missing out.

It is strange when I -- every so often -- wind up driving an automatic car. Every time this happens: I come to my first stop sign. I move my foot to the clutch pedal. I feel a sting of slight panic, coz I can't find the clutch pedal! Then I remember I'm driving an automatic ... a slush box. XD

Yes, i understand what you mean. My old BMW had all hydrolic systems, instead of electronic of today, and the old one was so amazing to drive

But i hope you can visit my city, Mumbai in India some day, and try driving here. In a 20 km stretch, you will praying to be allowed to drive above 30-40 km/h. You can be stuck in bumper to bumper traffic for hours, and every day to the office. Then you will wish you had an automatic transmission.

Coming back to cameras, i had D800 before, and in 5 years, i clicked around 75,000 pics. Before that, i had D7100 & D7000, and in 8 years combined, i had clicked less than 50,000 pics. After i got my Mirrorless camera, i clicked over 150,000 pics in 4 years. ML cameras have made it easier to click better pictures. For example, in the 150,000 clicks with ML camera, not a single pic in so over or under exposed, that it cannot be recovered, which was not the case in DSLRs.

Of course, many people will miss the features of DSLR, like the optical view finder, speed of switching on, and be ready to click, battery life, feeling of delay-less vew finder and many other things. Still, most will prefer to move on with ML cameras...

My Z9 starts up almost as fast as my D850. Viewfinder is improved over Z7. Useable now wirh fast paced panning

 

[ericbowles]

I used a D850 a couple of weeks ago after using my Z6 and Z7ii since they were released. It was amazing how hard it was to use a DSLR once you have fully embraced a good mirrorless camera and learned to use it. The focus of the D850 was just okay with too much variation and inaccuracy for slow moving wildlife. What you see through the viewfinder has no meaning when it comes to exposure, WB and how your images will look. I can't zoom through the viewfinder - only after a photo is taken. Burst length is very limited with a slower frame rate. Focus points are limited to the center of the frame which is very limiting. There was not even a hint of subject detection - even for common subjects. The number of AF area modes was very limited and poorly defined. The lenses for the D850 seem big and ancient - even the 500mm f/4 I was using.

I'm exaggerating a little, but it using a DSLR is quite a different experience from a Z7ii. I'm happy with my Z cameras and lenses.

The one big opportunity with a DSLR kit probably has a time horizon of 4-6 years, and that's the ability to buy excellent gear at a very good price. DSLR cameras are not benefitting from innovation and development of new technologies found in mirrorless cameras. But it's not going to make current DSLR gear obsolete. The lenses that are current today probably have a lifespan of another 10 years or more. Cameras probably have a lifespan of at least 5-6 years. You could buy a very good kit of DSLR cameras and lenses for about 25-30% of the cost of an equivalent mirrorless kit.

 

[capanikon]

Forty years ago some companies just replaced the clutch pedal with a computer. It's basically the same gearbox. Anything with paddle shifters is likely this.

Plus with the shift to hybrids and EV a clutch is very much last century. I've got three motors in my car that the computer keeps in sync.

I like the clutch pedal. It's fun. Paddles can't be the same ... basically an automatic.

EV users will also be missing out on the enjoyment of the manual transmission.

drive the Nissan GTR or new Corvette which are automatic only transmission. Their handling and drive. You won't miss the stick shift anymore.

I'm not into lots of power. I like everyday driving fun.

Even this Porsche 911 is too much power for me; but this video nails what driving a stick is like. Especially in a simple care that's not larded up with tech.

 

[Ellis Vener]

The big difference is video. If you're only doing stills a D850 is hard to beat.

I went from the D850, D5, Canon EOS 5DS, and EOS-1DX III as my main cameras to the Z 7 with about 6-9 months of overlap. Actually that’s not quite true, within about 2 weeks the DSLRs were consigned to back up status with the 5DS sold after a month or two. The Z 7 was in virtually all photographic situations the obvious better choice: no need to constantly go through the hassle of autofocus micro-focus tuning with every lens on a regular basis. And even with the F mount and EF lenses on the Z 7 on pass-through adapters like the FTZ, auto-focused moore accurately and reliably than I was getting with DSLRs.

With the Z 7, and also the original Canon R, and Sony A7RIII, which I also tried, I could place the auto-focus point virtually anywhere in the frame, something that because of the physics of autofocus of DSLR viewfinder focusing with full-frame cameras is impossible.



The Z 7II and the Z 9 are even better than the original Z.

 

[Fullframer]

Forty years ago some companies just replaced the clutch pedal with a computer. It's basically the same gearbox. Anything with paddle shifters is likely this.

Plus with the shift to hybrids and EV a clutch is very much last century. I've got three motors in my car that the computer keeps in sync.

I like the clutch pedal. It's fun. Paddles can't be the same ... basically an automatic.

EV users will also be missing out on the enjoyment of the manual transmission.

drive the Nissan GTR or new Corvette which are automatic only transmission. Their handling and drive. You won't miss the stick shift anymore.

I'm not into lots of power. I like everyday driving fun.

I like both, diff. opinions.

Even this Porsche 911 is too much power for me; but this video nails what driving a stick is like. Especially in a simple care that's not larded up with tech.

I enjoy a good manual shift myself, unless it's city traffic or traffic jams.

 

[Droster]

I used a D850 a couple of weeks ago after using my Z6 and Z7ii since they were released. It was amazing how hard it was to use a DSLR once you have fully embraced a good mirrorless camera and learned to use it. The focus of the D850 was just okay with too much variation and inaccuracy for slow moving wildlife. What you see through the viewfinder has no meaning when it comes to exposure, WB and how your images will look. I can't zoom through the viewfinder - only after a photo is taken. Burst length is very limited with a slower frame rate. Focus points are limited to the center of the frame which is very limiting. There was not even a hint of subject detection - even for common subjects. The number of AF area modes was very limited and poorly defined. The lenses for the D850 seem big and ancient - even the 500mm f/4 I was using.

I'm exaggerating a little, but it using a DSLR is quite a different experience from a Z7ii. I'm happy with my Z cameras and lenses.

The one big opportunity with a DSLR kit probably has a time horizon of 4-6 years, and that's the ability to buy excellent gear at a very good price. DSLR cameras are not benefitting from innovation and development of new technologies found in mirrorless cameras. But it's not going to make current DSLR gear obsolete. The lenses that are current today probably have a lifespan of another 10 years or more. Cameras probably have a lifespan of at least 5-6 years. You could buy a very good kit of DSLR cameras and lenses for about 25-30% of the cost of an equivalent mirrorless kit.

But that depends on whether someone needs any of the newer Z mount, first or third party, lenses moving forward. We're not getting any new DSLR lenses from anyone.

At that point I'd say save the cash, skip the DSLR and go straight to a mirrorless camera. That's why the lower price point mirrorless cameras serve as entry level cameras. It's also why they're the most popular, because it's the more economically sensible thing to do and that's what others are also doing.

That said, I will wait for the next gen tech to reach said entry level cameras. The difference is night and day.