D100: Photo Results Summary

[Clint Thayer #32755]

Well, it appears that the cat is out of the bag as far as images from the D100 are concerned. However, while EXIF information is intact on the D60 and D1X images (towards the bottom of the page), most of the D100 EXIF information has been stripped. This indicates that either the camera is still very pre-production or that the images were filtered through yet another image editing program before posting.

That said, here are the opinions I am hearing in this forum:

1. The Nikon D100 gives you less noise at most all ISO's
2. The Nikon D1X has greater color accuracy and saturation
3. The Canon D60 has the greatest resolution and detail

What are your opinions--- and what is the best tradeoff for your printing needs?

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[arielv13]

Clint - I've really enjoyed your posts. Thanks.

How would you rate the three cameras in the three catagories.
i.e. -

Low Noise - D100, D60, D1X
Color - D1X, D60, D100
Res - D60, D100, D1X

These are my first order observations. I'll study them further when I get back from work.

Arielv13 (Still really happy that I have a D1X)

etc.

Well, it appears that the cat is out of the bag as far as images
from the D100 are concerned. However, while EXIF information is
intact on the D60 and D1X images (towards the bottom of the page),
most of the D100 EXIF information has been stripped. This indicates
that either the camera is still very pre-production or that the
images were filtered through yet another image editing program
before posting.

That said, here are the opinions I am hearing in this forum:

1. The Nikon D100 gives you less noise at most all ISO's
2. The Nikon D1X has greater color accuracy and saturation
3. The Canon D60 has the greatest resolution and detail

What are your opinions--- and what is the best tradeoff for your
printing needs?

--
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[Geir Atle Ward]

Agree with your summary, though remember this is a preproduction camera, so there might be more in the bag than just one cat. I also noticed that the exif-date in many of the D100 images is early 2002. This could just mean the date/time was not set before starting shooting - but who knows?
Geir Atle

Well, it appears that the cat is out of the bag as far as images
from the D100 are concerned. However, while EXIF information is
intact on the D60 and D1X images (towards the bottom of the page),
most of the D100 EXIF information has been stripped. This indicates
that either the camera is still very pre-production or that the
images were filtered through yet another image editing program
before posting.

That said, here are the opinions I am hearing in this forum:

1. The Nikon D100 gives you less noise at most all ISO's
2. The Nikon D1X has greater color accuracy and saturation
3. The Canon D60 has the greatest resolution and detail

What are your opinions--- and what is the best tradeoff for your
printing needs?

--
Clint
http://www.pbase.com/moviebear

 

[Clint Thayer #32755]

Clint - I've really enjoyed your posts. Thanks.

How would you rate the three cameras in the three catagories.
i.e. -

Low Noise - D100, D60, D1X
Color - D1X, D60, D100
Res - D60, D100, D1X

If I had a client right now pay me $1000 for a photo shoot based on only the images posted in that web site comparison I would have to say that it would be a toss-up between D1X and D60. The D60 continues to have an organic quality in its' images that the Nikon simply doesn't. Continuous tones (like the shutters in the house samples) are nothing short of breathtaking on the D60. Both the D1X and D60 have sharper images and clearly resolve more detail (based only on those samples).

These are my first order observations. I'll study them further
when I get back from work.

Arielv13 (Still really happy that I have a D1X)

etc.

Well, it appears that the cat is out of the bag as far as images
from the D100 are concerned. However, while EXIF information is
intact on the D60 and D1X images (towards the bottom of the page),
most of the D100 EXIF information has been stripped. This indicates
that either the camera is still very pre-production or that the
images were filtered through yet another image editing program
before posting.

That said, here are the opinions I am hearing in this forum:

1. The Nikon D100 gives you less noise at most all ISO's
2. The Nikon D1X has greater color accuracy and saturation
3. The Canon D60 has the greatest resolution and detail

What are your opinions--- and what is the best tradeoff for your
printing needs?

--
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http://www.pbase.com/moviebear

--
Creativity is King

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[Jason Busch]

The D100 photos were taken in various modes. The D100 menus is seriously packed with selections, and I must say it will take some time to get the right settings for the particular subject. In some cases, the D100 is certainly lacking in color and saturation, but we don't know which mode it was in. Mode 1, Mode 2, or Mode 3? Soft, Sharp, Normal? We just don't know, so these settings, when used in various combinations, could negate the "shallow" or "colorless" opinions.

Personally, the D100 exceeded my expectations.

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[Marcus Valdes]

Maybe I should go back to film for awhile until this all gets sorted out!!

 

[Jason Stoller]

Movie Bear from what I have seen on a web site in Japan, I do not agree with all your findings. I also have not printed the pictures which is the tell all so I cannot comment in that area either. I was looking at photos taken with the 17-35, the 50 1.4 and also the 80-400 and they were shot at various speeds. I found good very good Detail in the D100 pictures but I also saw noise ( at least on my monitor) in when higher ISO's were used. The D100 was set to Auto and several different modes were selected sfrom the information that was provided with the samples. I am going to look at them further in photoshop and examine them closer. So I do not agree yet with your concluesion that the D100 has less noise at all ISO's. I think I am going to wait and see if the reviewers bear out that fact because at the present time in my opinion I do not find this to be true.

Respectfully!

Jason

Well, it appears that the cat is out of the bag as far as images
from the D100 are concerned. However, while EXIF information is
intact on the D60 and D1X images (towards the bottom of the page),
most of the D100 EXIF information has been stripped. This indicates
that either the camera is still very pre-production or that the
images were filtered through yet another image editing program
before posting.

That said, here are the opinions I am hearing in this forum:

1. The Nikon D100 gives you less noise at most all ISO's
2. The Nikon D1X has greater color accuracy and saturation
3. The Canon D60 has the greatest resolution and detail

What are your opinions--- and what is the best tradeoff for your
printing needs?

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[Clint Thayer #32755]

The D100 photos were taken in various modes. The D100 menus is
seriously packed with selections, and I must say it will take some
time to get the right settings for the particular subject. In some
cases, the D100 is certainly lacking in color and saturation, but
we don't know which mode it was in. Mode 1, Mode 2, or Mode 3?
Soft, Sharp, Normal? We just don't know, so these settings, when
used in various combinations, could negate the "shallow" or
"colorless" opinions.

Personally, the D100 exceeded my expectations.

I agree we don't know anything about the settings. But I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that because those images are on a Japanese camera comparison site, the settings would be uniform- and they know how to set up a camera for comparison sake.

I'm not at all impressed with the fringe outlining on every one of the top photos of the D100. Is the D100 sensor damaged? Hard to say. The lens used is an excellent 17-35mm and 80-200mm Nikkor zooms which should not have issues.

Jason, if it's the settings in the camera that are creating these dull and soft photos, I'll more than likely change my opinion at a later time. Based on the entire body of the D100 images as posted on that web site, the output quality of the D100 leaves much to be desired.

Only on the basis of those pictures, however. Nothing else.

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[Jason Stoller]

Movie Bear, I agree with Jason Busch in this case. I think there are too many unknowns to draw a good concluesion. As I have learned with my 1D and I am sure others have learned with their D1x and D1h cameras, it takes a little time to learn how to set up the camera properly to get the best results. Movie Bear you are a prime example of that, remember your questions in regard to setting on the 1D when you first were trying it out? Think back to that moment and then maybe your concluesion may change.

Jason

The D100 photos were taken in various modes. The D100 menus is
seriously packed with selections, and I must say it will take some
time to get the right settings for the particular subject. In some
cases, the D100 is certainly lacking in color and saturation, but
we don't know which mode it was in. Mode 1, Mode 2, or Mode 3?
Soft, Sharp, Normal? We just don't know, so these settings, when
used in various combinations, could negate the "shallow" or
"colorless" opinions.

Personally, the D100 exceeded my expectations.

I agree we don't know anything about the settings. But I'm gonna go
out on a limb and say that because those images are on a Japanese
camera comparison site, the settings would be uniform- and they
know how to set up a camera for comparison sake.

I'm not at all impressed with the fringe outlining on every one of
the top photos of the D100. Is the D100 sensor damaged? Hard to
say. The lens used is an excellent 17-35mm and 80-200mm Nikkor
zooms which should not have issues.

Jason, if it's the settings in the camera that are creating these
dull and soft photos, I'll more than likely change my opinion at a
later time. Based on the entire body of the D100 images as posted
on that web site, the output quality of the D100 leaves much to be
desired.

Only on the basis of those pictures, however. Nothing else.

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[Clint Thayer #32755]

Movie Bear from what I have seen on a web site in Japan, I do not
agree with all your findings.

Hi Jason-

And I don't think ultimate low noise can represent the entire quality of a camera either. I'm really concerned with the outlining issues on close-ups and on straight lines-- those are readily apparent on prints from those D100 samples.

I also have not printed the pictures

which is the tell all so I cannot comment in that area either. I
was looking at photos taken with the 17-35, the 50 1.4 and also the
80-400 and they were shot at various speeds. I found good very
good Detail in the D100 pictures but I also saw noise ( at least on
my monitor) in when higher ISO's were used. The D100 was set to
Auto and several different modes were selected sfrom the
information that was provided with the samples. I am going to look
at them further in photoshop and examine them closer. So I do not
agree yet with your concluesion that the D100 has less noise at all
ISO's. I think I am going to wait and see if the reviewers bear
out that fact because at the present time in my opinion I do not
find this to be true.

Respectfully!

Jason

Well, it appears that the cat is out of the bag as far as images
from the D100 are concerned. However, while EXIF information is
intact on the D60 and D1X images (towards the bottom of the page),
most of the D100 EXIF information has been stripped. This indicates
that either the camera is still very pre-production or that the
images were filtered through yet another image editing program
before posting.

That said, here are the opinions I am hearing in this forum:

1. The Nikon D100 gives you less noise at most all ISO's
2. The Nikon D1X has greater color accuracy and saturation
3. The Canon D60 has the greatest resolution and detail

What are your opinions--- and what is the best tradeoff for your
printing needs?

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We are just Beta Testers who pay the Camera Companies to test their
new products!

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[Robert Scultz]

did know about the CA on the 80-200mm af-d vs. the AF-S....
but the 17-35mm,.... bummer,....
cheers, Robert Schultz
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[Clint Thayer #32755]

Movie Bear, I agree with Jason Busch in this case. I think there
are too many unknowns to draw a good concluesion. As I have
learned with my 1D and I am sure others have learned with their D1x
and D1h cameras, it takes a little time to learn how to set up the
camera properly to get the best results. Movie Bear you are a
prime example of that, remember your questions in regard to setting
on the 1D when you first were trying it out? Think back to that
moment and then maybe your concluesion may change.

I know.... I know....

Jason

The D100 photos were taken in various modes. The D100 menus is
seriously packed with selections, and I must say it will take some
time to get the right settings for the particular subject. In some
cases, the D100 is certainly lacking in color and saturation, but
we don't know which mode it was in. Mode 1, Mode 2, or Mode 3?
Soft, Sharp, Normal? We just don't know, so these settings, when
used in various combinations, could negate the "shallow" or
"colorless" opinions.

Personally, the D100 exceeded my expectations.

I agree we don't know anything about the settings. But I'm gonna go
out on a limb and say that because those images are on a Japanese
camera comparison site, the settings would be uniform- and they
know how to set up a camera for comparison sake.

I'm not at all impressed with the fringe outlining on every one of
the top photos of the D100. Is the D100 sensor damaged? Hard to
say. The lens used is an excellent 17-35mm and 80-200mm Nikkor
zooms which should not have issues.

Jason, if it's the settings in the camera that are creating these
dull and soft photos, I'll more than likely change my opinion at a
later time. Based on the entire body of the D100 images as posted
on that web site, the output quality of the D100 leaves much to be
desired.

Only on the basis of those pictures, however. Nothing else.

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[Peter69322]

MB- Until we can evaluate images shot in identical ways under controlled circumstances, and with known in camera settings, how can we make any reliable decisions on quality? Further, how can we compare a pre-production model to production models? I don't think we can. ....Peter

Well, it appears that the cat is out of the bag as far as images
from the D100 are concerned. However, while EXIF information is
intact on the D60 and D1X images (towards the bottom of the page),
most of the D100 EXIF information has been stripped. This indicates
that either the camera is still very pre-production or that the
images were filtered through yet another image editing program
before posting.

That said, here are the opinions I am hearing in this forum:

1. The Nikon D100 gives you less noise at most all ISO's
2. The Nikon D1X has greater color accuracy and saturation
3. The Canon D60 has the greatest resolution and detail

What are your opinions--- and what is the best tradeoff for your
printing needs?

--
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http://www.pbase.com/moviebear

 

[Clint Thayer #32755]

MB- Until we can evaluate images shot in identical ways under
controlled circumstances, and with known in camera settings, how
can we make any reliable decisions on quality? Further, how can we
compare a pre-production model to production models? I don't think
we can. ....Peter

Peter you are right on target.

Well, it appears that the cat is out of the bag as far as images
from the D100 are concerned. However, while EXIF information is
intact on the D60 and D1X images (towards the bottom of the page),
most of the D100 EXIF information has been stripped. This indicates
that either the camera is still very pre-production or that the
images were filtered through yet another image editing program
before posting.

That said, here are the opinions I am hearing in this forum:

1. The Nikon D100 gives you less noise at most all ISO's
2. The Nikon D1X has greater color accuracy and saturation
3. The Canon D60 has the greatest resolution and detail

What are your opinions--- and what is the best tradeoff for your
printing needs?

--
Clint
http://www.pbase.com/moviebear

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[ronin]

Well, it appears that the cat is out of the bag as far as images
from the D100 are concerned. However, while EXIF information is
intact on the D60 and D1X images (towards the bottom of the page),
most of the D100 EXIF information has been stripped. This indicates
that either the camera is still very pre-production or that the
images were filtered through yet another image editing program
before posting.

That said, here are the opinions I am hearing in this forum:

1. The Nikon D100 gives you less noise at most all ISO's
2. The Nikon D1X has greater color accuracy and saturation
3. The Canon D60 has the greatest resolution and detail

On point 3 above, I'm not sure I would agree. If you look at
the test patterns and look at how the D100 at normal
sharpening does at resolving the diagonal lines and curves vs.
the D60, the D100 appears to be cleaner. This was just based
on opening the patterns:

d100: http://myalbum.ne.jp/cgi-bin/a_album?pipot_code=92441971758558478909&command=G&filename=fa838615_0001.jpg&file_no=0

d60: http://myalbum.ne.jp/cgi-bin/a_album?pipot_code=92441971758558478909&command=G&filename=fa838615_0005.jpg&file_no=4

in a browser window and looking at them side by side.
If somebody could look at these in Pshop to do the
comparisons it might be interesting

 

[bartP]

For me the print isn't the tell all. What I'm interested in is what this image wil look like in a high quality magazine. So, I have to know what the image lookes like interpolated. Also: if I scan a 35mm negative and process it, I can see on my screen too, if the image is of quality or not. If I can't see it in a digital file, it just isn't good enough.

I know Melvin Sokolsky wrote in a message that he shot a beauty series vor German Vogue with a Canon 1D, but I haven't checked these out yet. On the other hand I saw an editorial from Steven Meisel in Italian Vogue, taht looked pretty digital to me. Don't what went wrong there, but that didn't look good at all, but maybe I'm wrong and that was just the purpose of the shoot?

Bart

Jason Stoller wrote:
I also have not printed the pictures

which is the tell all so I cannot comment in that area either.

Movie Bear from what I have seen on a web site in Japan, I do not
agree with all your findings. I
was looking at photos taken with the 17-35, the 50 1.4 and also the
80-400 and they were shot at various speeds. I found good very
good Detail in the D100 pictures but I also saw noise ( at least on
my monitor) in when higher ISO's were used. The D100 was set to
Auto and several different modes were selected sfrom the
information that was provided with the samples. I am going to look
at them further in photoshop and examine them closer. So I do not
agree yet with your concluesion that the D100 has less noise at all
ISO's. I think I am going to wait and see if the reviewers bear
out that fact because at the present time in my opinion I do not
find this to be true.

Respectfully!

Jason

Well, it appears that the cat is out of the bag as far as images
from the D100 are concerned. However, while EXIF information is
intact on the D60 and D1X images (towards the bottom of the page),
most of the D100 EXIF information has been stripped. This indicates
that either the camera is still very pre-production or that the
images were filtered through yet another image editing program
before posting.

That said, here are the opinions I am hearing in this forum:

1. The Nikon D100 gives you less noise at most all ISO's
2. The Nikon D1X has greater color accuracy and saturation
3. The Canon D60 has the greatest resolution and detail

What are your opinions--- and what is the best tradeoff for your
printing needs?

--
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--
Jason Stoller [email protected]
We are just Beta Testers who pay the Camera Companies to test their
new products!

 

[bartP]

Isn't it good enough to see if wat you are seeing is good enough for what you want to use it for? In other words: why do we need to see identical shots of all these cameras? I can see myself if I like it or not. I never compared all 35mm films either with identical shots. You just know if a film(digital camera) produces saturation, sharpness and color depth if you see it.

Bart

Well, it appears that the cat is out of the bag as far as images
from the D100 are concerned. However, while EXIF information is
intact on the D60 and D1X images (towards the bottom of the page),
most of the D100 EXIF information has been stripped. This indicates
that either the camera is still very pre-production or that the
images were filtered through yet another image editing program
before posting.

That said, here are the opinions I am hearing in this forum:

1. The Nikon D100 gives you less noise at most all ISO's
2. The Nikon D1X has greater color accuracy and saturation
3. The Canon D60 has the greatest resolution and detail

What are your opinions--- and what is the best tradeoff for your
printing needs?

--
Clint
http://www.pbase.com/moviebear

 

[jrod7350]

3. The Canon D60 has the greatest resolution and detail

On point 3 above, I'm not sure I would agree. If you look at
the test patterns and look at how the D100 at normal
sharpening does at resolving the diagonal lines and curves vs.
the D60, the D100 appears to be cleaner. This was just based
on opening the patterns:

d100: http://myalbum.ne.jp/cgi-bin/a_album?pipot_code=92441971758558478909&command=G&filename=fa838615_0001.jpg&file_no=0

d60: http://myalbum.ne.jp/cgi-bin/a_album?pipot_code=92441971758558478909&command=G&filename=fa838615_0005.jpg&file_no=4

in a browser window and looking at them side by side.
If somebody could look at these in Pshop to do the
comparisons it might be interesting

Hey Ronin,

I definetly agree with you on this point. I looked at both charts, and it looks as though the D100 is resolving a good 50-100lp/ph more than the D60 without the strong color aliasing in the higher frequencies. Also like you pointed out, the diagonals are perfectly smooth on the entire chart, unlike the jaggies on the higher freqency diagonals on the Canon chart. Additionally there aren't those small "drop-out" pixels scattered throughout the chart. I'm not sure why the D100 is a bit softer, but resolution wise it is definetly better than the D60. If it were the up to the ISO chart alone, I would go with the D100.

Jason Rodriguez

 

[Ron Parr]

My first comments below are based on the standard building and cars shots at different ISO levels (D60 vs. D100):

IMO, this is a very bad showing for the D100. The images look very soft compared with the D60 (and soft in general for the other shots with every lens they used).

The noise situation doesn't start to get interesting until ISO 800. Before this, they're both low enough that all you notice is how much sharper and more detailed the D60 images are. At ISO 800 the D60 gets a speckled look to it, where the D100 gets a muddy look. I can see arguments in favor of either. One interesting thing is that if you do quick despeckle of the D60 shot in photoshop, it gets about as soft as the D100 image, but less noisy.

Of course, the big selling point for the D100 is that it lets you go above ISO 1000. If you have this need, then there's no argument since the D60 just won't do this.

I found the portrait of the boy and the house shot below to be a poor showing for the D100 as well. The shadow detail on the D100 is not up to the standards of the D1x or the D60. A great example of this is the shadow under the boy's chin, around his collar. There's a sharp and noisy dropoff for the D100, but the D1x and the D60 are really nice.

In the house shots below the boy's portrait, I found the D60 shot to be cleaner and sharper too, with much nicer shadows. To try to get a better feel for what was going on, I loaded them into photoshop and played with the levels to see how much detail I could pull out from the glass enclosed area on the right. There are some things hanging on the wall behind the glass that you can just barely make out under normal conditions. If you zoom in at and play around with levels, you pull out a surprising amount of detail in these. In terms of pure resolving power, there's no clear winner here, but the levels-adjusted D60 shot had much less noise than the levels-adjusted D100 shot.

I realize that this is a beta camera and that there may be improvements. Note that the D60 had some significant noise reductions between Phil's beta test and final test, so there is reason to hope that the D100 could improve.

If it doesn't, my impression is that it will not fare well in comparisons with the D60 except in situations that demand high ISO.

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[David SL]

Not for trying but I am having a hard time being dissapointed by any aspect of these images particularly the images from the second batch of links.

They clearly show much sharper images then the first link page and I've downloaded and zoomed in on many of them in photoshop. I disagree with any one that even thinks they see more noise or more "pleasing" noise in the high ISO D60 shots. Since when was seeing noise in a shot preferable to not seeing any in a comparable cameras shot? I've taken standard deviation patches and even compared the images at identical scale sizes and I have a hard time not seeing the noise in the D60 shots when the D100 shots are smooth. At ISO 800 the difference is apparent even at 50% size on the screen. (try it) Up on 100% size the difference is even more clear, as I stated in another post I'd say the D100 starts beating the D60 on noise at right around 400 but it's comparable at 200 IMHO. This will all be very easy to quantify when Phil does is noise tests at each ISO and I am confident my estimates will be validated.

As far as saturation, come on guys. Not only that but look at the clown images, gorgeous. It think when properly tweaked it will trump both the D1x and the D60. This camera provides a plethora of hue , saturation and color space options, looking at the "dollshots" on one of the links you can see the power of the D100 colors when in various "modes". I am not going to quibble over this when it is obviously something that can (thankfully) be adjusted to user tastes thanks to the variations the D100 has.

I aslo leveled many of the shots, and I see better preservation of detail in the shadows in the D100 shots than the D60. This would make sense considering that the D100 pixels are slightly larger (read better native S/N) than the D60 shots. A good example is the "house" shot at the bottom of the first link page, to the right is a shadow area that is dark leveling brings it up and yes it is slightly noisier than the D60 (ISO 100 image) but at even the leveled state it's less noise than the standard noise on my ISO 100 CP990! complaining about the difference to me is rediculous both camera images will provide prints with perceptually no noise.

Looking at the resolution chart shows again the D100's resolution advantage over the D60 (at least with the lens used for this chart test) It resolves more lines before moire occures in all directions and it doesn't show the seriously visible blue/red pattern that can be seen in the D60 images. Also, noise wize the D100 at ISO 200 is so close to the D60 at ISO 100 that I made the mistake of forgetting which chart was which (until the moire, drop out pixels and lack of resolution of the D60 image pointed itself out) Continuing on, the ISO 1600,3200 and 6400 options are astounding...color saturation obviously drops in 6400 but the noise though bad can actually be tolerated in small prints. 3200 looks great at 5x7 and denoise applied and 1600 looks noise free after noise reduction (I used Inova's dnoise action) I was ready to have to do denoising on ISO 400 shots, and Nikon makes it only a necessity on ISO 1600, there's no way I can complain about this incredible performance.

And the sick thing is, this is only beta.

Nuff said,

Well, it appears that the cat is out of the bag as far as images
from the D100 are concerned. However, while EXIF information is
intact on the D60 and D1X images (towards the bottom of the page),
most of the D100 EXIF information has been stripped. This indicates
that either the camera is still very pre-production or that the
images were filtered through yet another image editing program
before posting.

That said, here are the opinions I am hearing in this forum:

1. The Nikon D100 gives you less noise at most all ISO's
2. The Nikon D1X has greater color accuracy and saturation
3. The Canon D60 has the greatest resolution and detail

What are your opinions--- and what is the best tradeoff for your
printing needs?

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Clint
http://www.pbase.com/moviebear

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