Crusade? ...NOT!

(but let's remember that the length of this thread could easily
make it seem that a "federal case" is being made here. As I have
stated elsewhere, criticism of this (or ANY) president is not
"taboo", at least here in the US. He "goofed". We said so. That
simple!
Can we go back to the original premise -- that Bush goofed? Here's my problem with that. I often read Arabia.Com.Life, which, by its own accord:

"Arabia Online owns and operates arabia.com, the company's flagship portal and the Arab world's leading online destination. Operating since 1995, the brainchild of co-founder Khaldoon Tabaza, the company has built an experienced international management team and enjoys the strategic backing of some of the world's leading investors, including Saudi Arabia's Prince Al Waleed Bin Talal."

The writers of this site often use the word crusade in its modern Amercian usage. Case in point, "[The Jordanian] newsaper launched its crusade "after receiving many calls from readers complaining of too much colloquialism in the ads we carry", he said."

So I guess I don't get it -- sounds like its okay for an Arab to use the "C" word, but not the leader of a nation who had suffered one of the most horrendous crimes of all history. A crime equaling the horror of the 1099 Crusade.
 
That's interesting DB.

Hard to reconcile with some of the other recently aired remarks (?).

I don't know how our casualties equate with those of the crusade (Not that it really matters, I guess. Slaughter breeds hatred, whatever the # of "victims").

Re. the term being OK for Arab use: If this is true, it wouldn't be much different psychologically from the "n" word being used quite frequently between blacks, but totally unacceptable from a white. ...same reason, - too-much negative association.

Good point, though.

Larry
(but let's remember that the length of this thread could easily
make it seem that a "federal case" is being made here. As I have
stated elsewhere, criticism of this (or ANY) president is not
"taboo", at least here in the US. He "goofed". We said so. That
simple!
Can we go back to the original premise -- that Bush goofed? Here's
my problem with that. I often read Arabia.Com.Life, which, by its
own accord:
"Arabia Online owns and operates arabia.com, the company's flagship
portal and the Arab world's leading online destination. Operating
since 1995, the brainchild of co-founder Khaldoon Tabaza, the
company has built an experienced international management team and
enjoys the strategic backing of some of the world's leading
investors, including Saudi Arabia's Prince Al Waleed Bin Talal."

The writers of this site often use the word crusade in its modern
Amercian usage. Case in point, "[The Jordanian] newsaper launched
its crusade "after receiving many calls from readers complaining of
too much colloquialism in the ads we carry", he said."

So I guess I don't get it -- sounds like its okay for an Arab to
use the "C" word, but not the leader of a nation who had suffered
one of the most horrendous crimes of all history. A crime equaling
the horror of the 1099 Crusade.
 
(but let's remember that the length of this thread could easily
make it seem that a "federal case" is being made here. As I have
stated elsewhere, criticism of this (or ANY) president is not
"taboo", at least here in the US. He "goofed". We said so. That
simple!
If I were to re-write this I'd consider it an improvement in "fairness" to say :

"...in the US. Some of us thought he "goofed". We said so. That simple!"

Sounds a little less "high-handed".

I personally still think it("crusade") would have been better left-unsaid.

Larry
 
Thanks John. Humor seems to have gone out of favor. I have to admit it was my first attempt at it since 9/11.

John
Well you may have second thoughts when Bush takes this opportunity
to invade Chad to prevent another election like the last one. :)
John,

I can't believe your post has gone unnoticed by the serious people
this long! I have visions of U.S. troops "hanging Chads" in enough
numbers to make the next election a breeze. I think he may also
include several counties in Florida in his campaign. That invasion
will begin after the Air Force rolls out its newest attack jet: the
"butterfly." {:Þ

All of you readers with an ounce of humor, hang in there! This
nasty stuff too will end. (despite politicians and serious postings)

John
as Readers Digest aptly points out "laughter is the best medicine"
 
Dave

I dont think lhsmith is overreacting. After hearing Bush's words to
"give muslims and arab americans the respect THEY DESERVE" ( they
natrurally dont deserve anything now, DO THEY ??), and after
reading the word CRUSADE, every body in the middle east is
preparing for war, we are expecting a nuclear attack, even on Egypt
who is a strong ally of the United states, we all expect Cairo To
be nuked by the US, after all you have done it Before.
If you haven't already read my support and understanding of lhsmith's statement you may wish to scroll down and read it. This statement was uncalled for and indicates insufficient effort by Bush and his advisors.

I know you live in Cairo. As a citizen of the U.S. (a lone individual) my feeling is that you have nothing to worry about regarding a nuclear attack. Unless.............

.....and this is where my concern is directed.......Taliban (Taleban) supporters in the nuclear armed country, Pakistan seize power and launch a nuclear strike on troops and shipping that are in the process of assembling to enter Afghanistan and search out the location of bin Laden and the info that is needed to take down his hideous network that is threatening all citizens of the world.

If such a strike against the U.S. should occur, there will be retaliation out of a pure "no other choice" option. With our fleet nuked and ground troops nuked, expect the worse case scenario to occur.

Another worse case scenario that would bring on a nuclear strike would be if Libiya or other heavily armed supporters of bin Laden outflanked those troops in Pakistan, without warning and their total anhilaton was obvious.

A lot of worse case scenarios are possible in what is about to happen regarding the terroist network elimination.

That's why I don't want to offend the Arab states and their population with stupid statements buy our representatives. We need the support of Egyptians to help us prevent bin Ladens supporters living in Egypt and other countries from entering the war unexpectedly and overpowering ours and other countries troops thereby forcing the hand of those countries to do make drastic moves to prevent such scenarios from occuring.
I feel were heading into a third world war. I hope I'm wrong.

Remember also, the former Soviet Union is suporting our actions both verbally and with troops to assist as they've indicated. Now, if your concerned about a nuclear strike on Egypt, I'd direct my attention towards Russia. If Pakistan hits U.S., German, French, English and Russian troops with nukes you can be sure that Russia will make the first nuclear retaliation and it won't be a couple 5meg bombs either.

The situation is scarry. It's also a situation that needs to be carried out. No one in my country wants to live with the threat of being anthraxed or bombed. We aren't into living like that and will deal with whatever means we need to prevent further attacks. We didn't attack Egypt or Pakistan or the Sudan the first time the Trade Center was hit.

We have an old saying in this country. "Third times a charm". We can't afford a third time. We won't except a third time.

Let's all of us work together on this. These terroist have gone too far. They need to be snuffed out. They killed 12 Americans in Africa and 201 muslims! Mean ole America retaliated. We snuffed one Janitor in the Pharmacy in Sudan and 24 terrorist in Afghanistan.

The people of the U.S. aren't war mongers. Otherwise the entire Mid East would've been a parking lot 40 years ago. I do admit, we're chumps. Helping Israel to form a nation only to find out we helped create a runaway problem that we are now expected to fix. Sh*t, we gave them people our best and most technologically advanced aircraft only so they could go ahead and copy and manufacture same gifts and sell them to unfriendlies in South America!
And the beat goes on and on and on and on and on............
 
To find out who might 'give a $hit'... read this AFP news article:

http://news.24.com/News24/USAttack/More/0,1113,2-1195-1204_1082039,00.html

R.
I recognize all of these posts, but let's get serious people. When
we start fighting, who really cares about Bush's one-word mistake,
if it really was. Jesus, this discussion sounds like another
terrorist attack hit us.
When our soldiers are fighting and are blowing people up in little
bits and pieces, I sincerely doubt they will stop re-load, and say
to themselves, "Hmmmmmmm. Now, am I on a Crusade, or a Campaign? Or
am I a part of a big Posse? Should I show my Unit's colors?"
Please.
We can all be English, Grammar, and History Professors after the
many years of this war, but for now, I really don't think what Bush
said is going to go down in the history books as the biggest
mistake of mankind.

Jason Busch
 
Thanks for the link Rudolf,

Maybe there are still some nay-sayers on this thread, re. whether-or-not Bush "Goofed", ...but if they bother to read this link, I'd be really interested in the reasoning behind any further "doubts".

Lets just hope he gets those speech-writers up-to-speed, ...we've probably got a long way to go in this business.

Larry
http://news.24.com/News24/USAttack/More/0,1113,2-1195-1204_1082039,00.html

R.
I recognize all of these posts, but let's get serious people. When
we start fighting, who really cares about Bush's one-word mistake,
if it really was. Jesus, this discussion sounds like another
terrorist attack hit us.
When our soldiers are fighting and are blowing people up in little
bits and pieces, I sincerely doubt they will stop re-load, and say
to themselves, "Hmmmmmmm. Now, am I on a Crusade, or a Campaign? Or
am I a part of a big Posse? Should I show my Unit's colors?"
Please.
We can all be English, Grammar, and History Professors after the
many years of this war, but for now, I really don't think what Bush
said is going to go down in the history books as the biggest
mistake of mankind.

Jason Busch
 
Hatem,

We are in fact the only nation to have ever used a nuclear weapon. I would note that we did it only as a last resort, after many entreaties for peace, after a cowardly and unprovoked military attack, and in order to prevent other types of carnage which would have occured in a longer but conventional military campaign.

After dropping the bomb, we did not crush out the civilization that we defeated. We did not demand reparations for the war they started against us. We did not leave them to deal with the aftermath of our actions entirely alone.

If we were the xenophobic, bigoted people you seem to believe us to be, why is Japan today an economic world power? In the national memorial ceremony held last week in Washington and attended by the President, many religions were represented. There were speakers who were Jewish, Protestant, Catholic, Islamic, and perhaps more.

Just yesterday, President Bush visited the Islamic Center in Washington, DC. Here is just part of what he said:

"When we think of Islam we think of a faith that brings comfort to a billion people around the world. Billions of people find comfort and solace and peace. And that's made brothers and sisters out of every race -- out of every race.

"America counts millions of Muslims amongst our citizens, and Muslims make an incredibly valuable contribution to our country. Muslims are doctors, lawyers, law professors, members of the military, entrepreneurs, shopkeepers, moms and dads. And they need to be treated with respect. In our anger and emotion, our fellow Americans must treat each other with respect.

" Women who cover their heads in this country must feel comfortable going outside their homes. Moms who wear cover must be not intimidated in America. That's not the America I know. That's not the America I value."

You can find his full remarks at his website here: http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2001/09/20010917-11.html

In my own community, a vicious, false rumor was sent around by e-mail that a local shop owner of Arabic descent was seen celebrating on Tuesday. At first, there were threats directed against this man and the restaurant he owns. But then calmer heads prevailed and our local television station reported the truth, that the man is an American citizen and that there was no justification for the rumor at all. The next day, his restaurant was overflowing with people. Our entire community went out to support him, to show to ourselves and to our others that we as Americans are not creatures of hate but of love.

We are not perfect. We are often, as many European posters have noted, arrogant in our belief of our own superiority. We do not learn as much about other cultures as perhaps we should. But we are not a cruel and vicious people. You have no more evidence that we are likely to "nuke" Cairo than we have that Egypt and all Islamic peoples hate us.

I do hope that you will apologize a year from now when Cairo is still standing and you realize that the U.S. has not and will not try to eradicate entire nations who have done us no harm.

Patrick Martin
I dont think lhsmith is overreacting. After hearing Bush's words to
"give muslims and arab americans the respect THEY DESERVE" ( they
natrurally dont deserve anything now, DO THEY ??), and after
reading the word CRUSADE, every body in the middle east is
preparing for war, we are expecting a nuclear attack, even on Egypt
who is a strong ally of the United states, we all expect Cairo To
be nuked by the US, after all you have done it Before.

Hatem Tawfik
Cairo Egypt
Dave N
So the Electoral College "elects" Bush for us.
O.K., that's our system, ...we'll go with it.

And now we will certainly support the nation's president as we deal
with this crisis.(...more significantly, support those who we send
to DO the actual "Dealing").

But I sure wish Bush wouldn't say anything unless his speech
writer's clear it first (some of THEM are quite good with words).

Now he has added(yesterday on tv) the word "crusade" to his war-talk.
Maybe he has seen too many old movies, and not enough history books.

The crusades were the Christian version of bin Laden's infata.
Slaughter with "God" on "our" side. The original source of the
Rambo-esque "Kill them all, and let God sort them out!" quote
(uttered by one of the "crusaders" in the middle of a massacre of
Muslim men, women, and children).

So now, when we need the cooperation of the peaceful muslims, to
deal with the terrorists that are blackening the name of their
religion, Bush, in a transparent attempt to pander to his
somewhat-alienated fudamentalist supporters, decides (FOR us) that
we're on a "crusade". (Is that "Onward Christian Soldiers" I hear
playing in the background?)

Bush, I for one will support a punitive
retaliation/annihilation(wish it were possible) of the terrorists
who have attacked us (and others).

I won't support a "religious" war. Don't confuse the issue by
turning this into one.

For what its worth, the symbolism isn't that flattering, when one
remembers that the "crusaders" ended-up getting their butts kicked
by Saladin.

I'll close with an endorsement of the sentiment already expressed
by another poster to this site:

"Spare me from religous fanatics" (theirs OR ours)!

Larry
 
Patrick,

I hope that others find your statement as well-put and on-the-mark as I do. And hopefully reassuring to some who are concerned about US intentions. (I guess right now that's just about everyone)

Thanks,

Larry
We are in fact the only nation to have ever used a nuclear weapon.
I would note that we did it only as a last resort, after many
entreaties for peace, after a cowardly and unprovoked military
attack, and in order to prevent other types of carnage which would
have occured in a longer but conventional military campaign.

After dropping the bomb, we did not crush out the civilization that
we defeated. We did not demand reparations for the war they started
against us. We did not leave them to deal with the aftermath of our
actions entirely alone.

If we were the xenophobic, bigoted people you seem to believe us to
be, why is Japan today an economic world power? In the national
memorial ceremony held last week in Washington and attended by the
President, many religions were represented. There were speakers who
were Jewish, Protestant, Catholic, Islamic, and perhaps more.

Just yesterday, President Bush visited the Islamic Center in
Washington, DC. Here is just part of what he said:

"When we think of Islam we think of a faith that brings comfort to
a billion people around the world. Billions of people find comfort
and solace and peace. And that's made brothers and sisters out of
every race -- out of every race.

"America counts millions of Muslims amongst our citizens, and
Muslims make an incredibly valuable contribution to our country.
Muslims are doctors, lawyers, law professors, members of the
military, entrepreneurs, shopkeepers, moms and dads. And they need
to be treated with respect. In our anger and emotion, our fellow
Americans must treat each other with respect.

" Women who cover their heads in this country must feel comfortable
going outside their homes. Moms who wear cover must be not
intimidated in America. That's not the America I know. That's not
the America I value."

You can find his full remarks at his website here:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2001/09/20010917-11.html

In my own community, a vicious, false rumor was sent around by
e-mail that a local shop owner of Arabic descent was seen
celebrating on Tuesday. At first, there were threats directed
against this man and the restaurant he owns. But then calmer heads
prevailed and our local television station reported the truth, that
the man is an American citizen and that there was no justification
for the rumor at all. The next day, his restaurant was overflowing
with people. Our entire community went out to support him, to show
to ourselves and to our others that we as Americans are not
creatures of hate but of love.

We are not perfect. We are often, as many European posters have
noted, arrogant in our belief of our own superiority. We do not
learn as much about other cultures as perhaps we should. But we are
not a cruel and vicious people. You have no more evidence that we
are likely to "nuke" Cairo than we have that Egypt and all Islamic
peoples hate us.

I do hope that you will apologize a year from now when Cairo is
still standing and you realize that the U.S. has not and will not
try to eradicate entire nations who have done us no harm.

Patrick Martin
I dont think lhsmith is overreacting. After hearing Bush's words to
"give muslims and arab americans the respect THEY DESERVE" ( they
natrurally dont deserve anything now, DO THEY ??), and after
reading the word CRUSADE, every body in the middle east is
preparing for war, we are expecting a nuclear attack, even on Egypt
who is a strong ally of the United states, we all expect Cairo To
be nuked by the US, after all you have done it Before.

Hatem Tawfik
Cairo Egypt
Dave N
So the Electoral College "elects" Bush for us.
O.K., that's our system, ...we'll go with it.

And now we will certainly support the nation's president as we deal
with this crisis.(...more significantly, support those who we send
to DO the actual "Dealing").

But I sure wish Bush wouldn't say anything unless his speech
writer's clear it first (some of THEM are quite good with words).

Now he has added(yesterday on tv) the word "crusade" to his war-talk.
Maybe he has seen too many old movies, and not enough history books.

The crusades were the Christian version of bin Laden's infata.
Slaughter with "God" on "our" side. The original source of the
Rambo-esque "Kill them all, and let God sort them out!" quote
(uttered by one of the "crusaders" in the middle of a massacre of
Muslim men, women, and children).

So now, when we need the cooperation of the peaceful muslims, to
deal with the terrorists that are blackening the name of their
religion, Bush, in a transparent attempt to pander to his
somewhat-alienated fudamentalist supporters, decides (FOR us) that
we're on a "crusade". (Is that "Onward Christian Soldiers" I hear
playing in the background?)

Bush, I for one will support a punitive
retaliation/annihilation(wish it were possible) of the terrorists
who have attacked us (and others).

I won't support a "religious" war. Don't confuse the issue by
turning this into one.

For what its worth, the symbolism isn't that flattering, when one
remembers that the "crusaders" ended-up getting their butts kicked
by Saladin.

I'll close with an endorsement of the sentiment already expressed
by another poster to this site:

"Spare me from religous fanatics" (theirs OR ours)!

Larry
 
Maybe it's not important, maybe yes, but it is not a good begin.

I've been in Syria, Jordania and Marocco and they live in a very strong way what "crusade" means. There always were somebody who tell me something about "crusades". To say "crusade" is like to hit them, is not a poetical word.

I dont know what have to do Mr.Bush, but i can say what i do.

If i am wrong i usually dont have any problem to rectify (usually, i am not perfect).

I found out that this attitud give me more credibility with friends, work mates and relatives.

Is there any problem to Mr.Bush to do it?
If not, why not? any special problem?
Until now, to speak is free.

But all things have his moment, and now probably to rectify will be out of context. Maybe would be better to learn for next times.

For example:

I have heard Mr.Bush and i dont like his constant religious references and his pseudo-religious style of speech. I think is not a good way to speak with Arab countries. I think that arab people have TVs and they are listening him directly.

Best regards,
Alfonso
http://news.24.com/News24/USAttack/More/0,1113,2-1195-1204_1082039,00.html

R.
I recognize all of these posts, but let's get serious people. When
we start fighting, who really cares about Bush's one-word mistake,
if it really was. Jesus, this discussion sounds like another
terrorist attack hit us.
When our soldiers are fighting and are blowing people up in little
bits and pieces, I sincerely doubt they will stop re-load, and say
to themselves, "Hmmmmmmm. Now, am I on a Crusade, or a Campaign? Or
am I a part of a big Posse? Should I show my Unit's colors?"
Please.
We can all be English, Grammar, and History Professors after the
many years of this war, but for now, I really don't think what Bush
said is going to go down in the history books as the biggest
mistake of mankind.

Jason Busch
 
I would be willing to bet, Rob, that most people hover around 0,
but Rob, the holder of all knowledge and wisdom, hovers around 300.
Yes, it was a slip-up and has been pointed out. That doesn't alter
the fact that you prefaced your first post with an admission of
bias. I imagine that if Bush made no errors during this conflict
and even made every decission the way Rob would, he would still
hover somewhere in the negatives on the Rob scale.
FJBrad
I made absolutely zero admission of bias. Bias to what?
The only bias I'm presently witnessing is towards me from you.

"but Rob, the holder of all knowledge and wisdom, hovers around 300."
You should not let emotion of the events that have taken place
influence your feelings.
President Bush, if you'll remember, is working for us. His
statement was a mistake that could cost lives in the months and
years to come. I would have expected such statements to be made by
a drunk sitting on a bar stool. I don't expect a statement like
that to be used by our chief representive and commander in chief.
Envision the troops standing on the transports preparing to
disembark. Envision the already skeptical Arab friends watching the
disembarkment. Listen to their words. "Here come the crusaders".
Bush's statement was that of an idiot, moron, frontal lobotomized
non thinking.........
I've already directed a letter to Bush. He may or may not read it.
I hope he or his advisors do. My confidence in him will be restored
if he publically broadcasts a retraction. I'll even write it for
him. Here's an example:

"I am addressing the people of the U.S. and all of the countries
that support us. Several days ago I made a statement that included
a word that I should not have used.
A lack of understanding between cultures has unfortunately been the
a contributing factor to many of the problems in the world today.
The process will be slow but we must all edeavor to work towards
greater understanding so that true lasting peace can be achieved.
To achieve the goal of eliminating those factions who would prevent
peace and who murder innocent peoples, all efforts, both military,
diplomatically, and human understanding will need to be employed.
I promise to work diligently at achieving these goals.
With that said, I now publically detract the word "crusade" from my
recent speech. I admit to my lack of understanding and will work
towards increasing my knowledge of Arab beliefs and needs so we can
both eliminate the terrorist and the wars that have plagued the
relations between west and east. This statement is a small
begining. I hope it demonstrates my convictions to my promise. This
is a new century. It is starting with a war. We must work together
to assure that it will be the last war of this century."
Rob you do appear to be an American voice of reason and better informed than most.

I would like to smile at the irony of the situation if it was not so serious.

We have a group of dedicated misguided idiots that justifies mass murder of American and World citizens, by citing America as an imperialist agressor.

America replies by saying if you do not give us these people we will treat you as there equal and shoot you as well.
Why because we are bigger than you and can do it.

As for your passage about being the last war....unfortunately I think you could be right.
Peace
Kevin
 
I know you live in Cairo. As a citizen of the U.S. (a lone
individual) my feeling is that you have nothing to worry about
regarding a nuclear attack.
That's why I don't want to offend the Arab states and their
population with stupid statements buy our representatives. We need
the support of Egyptians to help us prevent bin Ladens supporters
living in Egypt and other countries from entering the war
unexpectedly and overpowering ours and other countries troops
thereby forcing the hand of those countries to do make drastic
moves to prevent such scenarios from occuring.
RoB
Hi sorry I work 14-16 hours/day, that is why I rarely get near my computer.

I know you guys dont like my posts very much but do you really think I am that stupid ?????,

Of course, I dont believe at all that the US government is going to bomB Cairo, it is rediculous notion to bomB an ALLY at times when WASHINGTON desperately needs the moral support of arabic governments to BomB aphganistan, I was simply conveying the general feeling even among educated people after hear Mr Bush speak.
I feel were heading into a third world war.
Against who, noBody can stand against you.
We didn't attack Egypt or Pakistan or the Sudan the first time the
Trade Center was hit.
Egypt suffered 20 years of terror By the same people who are hitting you now, so why hit us ???
I do admit, we're chumps. Helping Israel to form a nation only to find out > we helped
create a runaway problem that we are now expected to fix. Sh*t, we
gave them people our best and most technologically advanced
aircraft only so they could go ahead and copy and manufacture same
gifts and sell them to unfriendlies in South America!
and to CHINA too if you dont know.
 
I know you guys dont like my posts very much but do you really
think I am that stupid ?????,
Your post about Egyptian's fears didn't really contain any connotation of sarcasm. Appears it was there and I missed it.

I welcome your post. In every country, there is always a small number of people who close themselves off from compromise or refuse to admit they may be in error regading international relations or anything else for that matter.
Of course, I dont believe at all that the US government is going to
bomB Cairo, it is rediculous notion to bomB an ALLY at times when
WASHINGTON desperately needs the moral support of arabic
governments to BomB aphganistan, I was simply conveying the general
feeling even among educated people after hear Mr Bush speak.
I feel were heading into a third world war.
Against who, noBody can stand against you.
My concern about many of the countries in the Mid East must be stated as a question. Are the majority, from your observations, of muslim people in the various countries in the Mid East also fed up with terrorist groups?

How large are the supporters of those groups? Whether full supporters or individuals who are leaning towards terrorist support and would fully support them if they feel foreign troops are causing too many civilian casualties in Afghanistan, Paksitan or Saudi Arabia. I feel that those are the countries where combat operations are very likely to take place.

As far as the question about a third world war. Muslim peoples are a large population in the Mid East. Indonesia in South East Asia is almost entirely muslim and if you've followed recent events in that area you can see that a potential adversary may emerge. Large muslim communities extend all the way to South Africa.

If things get out of hand in Pakistan or Afghanistan or both, I concerned that the war will extend over a much broader area of the planet.

The U.S. is powerful. That's a given. A war however requires financing and they are very expensive. The source for both us and our allies has always been the world bank. The U.S. has zero credit with the world bank at present. While we are powerful, sustaining an extended war could be difficult financially. Remember Kosovo? Towards the end of that operation, NATO had almost entirely depleted it's supply of bombs!

Things aren't the same as they were in WWII or Korea or Viet Nam. Viet Nam put us so deeply in debt that'll probably be 3012 before we pay it off! :(

We'd probabably find other means to get the cash. Perhaps voluntary contributions from citizens. 100,000,000 working Americans voluntarily contributing $25 a month would do the job.

The era of the ole U.S. being seen as "Mr. Got Bucks" is long past. It's all on paper. If the banks ever damanded us to pay up, a whole new can of worms and the worst world wide depression ever seen would ensue.
We didn't attack Egypt or Pakistan or the Sudan the first time the
Trade Center was hit.
Egypt suffered 20 years of terror By the same people who are
hitting you now, so why hit us ???
I do admit, we're chumps. Helping Israel to form a nation only to find out > we helped
create a runaway problem that we are now expected to fix. Sh*t, we
gave them people our best and most technologically advanced
aircraft only so they could go ahead and copy and manufacture same
gifts and sell them to unfriendlies in South America!
and to CHINA too if you dont know.
 

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