Camera suggestion, 1" sensor

[Likesithot]

Ive dropped my Panny ZS200 1" sensor too many times while hiking. What I like about it is long zoom (24-360 optical), compact size, back screen.

What I don't like is fragility, slow lens (3.3-6.4), lack of sharing photos from camera.

Seems I'm looking at over $1,500 for sure. I thought a was done with changeable lenses back in my film days, but if had to get a dedicated 28mm and 300 or 400mm non zoom, to get everything else, I might.

Cell phones have really killed this segment but hoping for some advice.

Thanks

 

[NAwlins Contrarian]

Ive dropped my Panny ZS200 1" sensor too many times while hiking. What I like about it is long zoom (24-360 optical), compact size, back screen.

What I don't like is fragility, slow lens (3.3-6.4), lack of sharing photos from camera.

Seems I'm looking at over $1,500 for sure. I thought a was done with changeable lenses back in my film days, but if had to get a dedicated 28mm and 300 or 400mm non zoom, to get everything else, I might.

Cell phones have really killed this segment but hoping for some advice.

I'm not following the request / question; maybe a clarification would get more / better responses.

* You appear to want a camera with a 1" sensor, but you say you "thought [you were] done with changeable lenses", suggesting that you're considering an interchangeable-lens camera. AFAIK the only interchangeable-lens cameras with 1" sensors were the long-discontinued Nikon 1 series. All current interchangeable-lens cameras have sensors substanially larger than 1".

* You appear to want a zoom lens with angles of view covering the equivalents of full-frame 28 to 300 or 400mm, but you don't want a slow lens like an f/3.3-6.4. Then you say what you liked about your ZS200 was its compact size. Physics says you have to choose, you can have your choice of any two, but not all three, of the relatively large (for a compact camera) 1" sensor, a relatively fast (well, substantially faster than f/3.3-6.4) lens, and a relatively compact size. You just can't have all three. To get that sensor size and a faster lens, you'd have to get something like a Sony RX-10 Mk. IV, which has an f/2.4-4 lens and a range equivalent to FF 24-600mm, but is much larger. From CameraSize:



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The last 'zoomier' Panasonic with a 1" sensor and a faster lens was the FZ1000 II, which has a 1" sensor and an f/2.8-4 lens and a range equivalent to FF 25-400mm--and is also considerably larger than your ZS200. It may be a bit smaller than the RX10 IV, but not a lot smaller. It appears to be discontinued, but you could buy a used one.

 

[Martin_99]

To suggest you something, we will need to know what is your limit for price/size/weight.

Camera you have is extremely small in comparison with other possible options. So depends on your priorities.

 

[Likesithot]

Thanks for the camera size comparisons.

To clarify: I understand the limitations of cameras. I'm looking for suggestions of models closest to my wish list. Then I can "adjust" my wish list to reality. When i said I thought I was done with changeable lenses, I meant when I picked my current ZS200.

The ZS200 is limiting me to too slow of shutter speeds because of f3.3-6.4

For sports I'd like to shoot 1/1000-1/2000 sec.

For the maxed out zoom(360mm equiv), most lighting, I can only get about 1/60 sec, iso 640. For min. zoom, 1/250 sec. iso200.

So, is a NON changeable lens camera available with an equiv zoom of about 24-300mm with aperture of about f2-f4 available? If not I'll have to go to multiple lenses. I was hoping that the 1" sensor format would have something only to keep the actual size smaller.

Since cell phones, it seems a lot less r&d going into what I'm looking for.

Thanks

 

[NAwlins Contrarian]

TL; DR version

To get close to your stated wants,

(1) get a compact Sony RX100 Mk. VII with an f/2.8-4.5 lens, and accept a long end equivalent to 196mm, or

(2) get a Sony RX10 Mk. IV with an f/2.4-4 lens and a long end of 600mm, and accept that it's not compact, or

(3) accept something even further from your stated preference.

Full version

Thanks for the camera size comparisons.

You're welcome.

To clarify: I understand the limitations of cameras. I'm looking for suggestions of models closest to my wish list. Then I can "adjust" my wish list to reality. When i said I thought I was done with changeable lenses, I meant when I picked my current ZS200.

The ZS200 is limiting me to too slow of shutter speeds because of f3.3-6.4

For sports I'd like to shoot 1/1000-1/2000 sec.

For the maxed out zoom(360mm equiv), most lighting, I can only get about 1/60 sec, iso 640. For min. zoom, 1/250 sec. iso200.

Shoot either raw or raw + JPEG and process with DxO PhotoLab Elite, and I think you can go far higher than ISO 640 with good quality.

So, is a NON changeable lens camera available with an equiv zoom of about 24-300mm with aperture of about f2-f4 available? If not I'll have to go to multiple lenses. I was hoping that the 1" sensor format would have something only to keep the actual size smaller.

There aren't many 1" sensor options with long-ish ( > 150mm equivalent) lenses that are theoretically (availability is tight) sold new today:

* Sony RX10 Mk. IV: 24-600mm-equivalent f/2.4-4 lens, not compact; or

* Sony RX100 Mk. VII: 25-196mm-equivalent f/2.8-4.5 lens, fairly compact.

As previously mentioned, there's the apparently-discontinued:

* Panasonic FZ 1000 Mk. II (and apparently-similar Leica V-Lux 5): 25-398-equivalent f/2.8-4 lens, not compact.

And then of course there are older, longer-ago discontinued models, including another Panasonic ZS200 (or its near-twin, the Leica C-Lux).

Last but not least, you mention sports, and AFAIK only the Sony models have autofocus systems even moderately appropriate for sports. They both have PDAF. I don't think and of the Panasonic / Leica models do.

 

[Martin_99]

Thanks for the camera size comparisons.

To clarify: I understand the limitations of cameras. I'm looking for suggestions of models closest to my wish list. Then I can "adjust" my wish list to reality. When i said I thought I was done with changeable lenses, I meant when I picked my current ZS200.

The ZS200 is limiting me to too slow of shutter speeds because of f3.3-6.4

For sports I'd like to shoot 1/1000-1/2000 sec.

For the maxed out zoom(360mm equiv), most lighting, I can only get about 1/60 sec, iso 640. For min. zoom, 1/250 sec. iso200.

Are you sure about your setting? Based on specs you should be able to set max ISO 12800, max shutter speed 1/16000s.

So, is a NON changeable lens camera available with an equiv zoom of about 24-300mm with aperture of about f2-f4 available?

There are two ways to improve low light performance:

- faster aperture - nobody do it, not on tiny 1/2.3" sensor

- bigger sensor - 1", it's probably good way for you

So maybe used Panasonic FZ2500 or similar bridge 1" camera is a best for you.

Another step is interchangeable m4/3 camera with two lenses.

If not I'll have to go to multiple lenses. I was hoping that the 1" sensor format would have something only to keep the actual size smaller.

Since cell phones, it seems a lot less r&d going into what I'm looking for.

Thanks

 

[OpticsEngineer]

if you are open to used cameras, a Sony RX10 might work for you. It has a good zoom range with constant f/2.8 aperture. I got a lot of good shots from mine some years back. It is nice that while bigger than your old Panasonic, it still feels not too big.

 

[Likesithot]

Thanks for the camera size comparisons.

To clarify: I understand the limitations of cameras. I'm looking for suggestions of models closest to my wish list. Then I can "adjust" my wish list to reality. When i said I thought I was done with changeable lenses, I meant when I picked my current ZS200.

The ZS200 is limiting me to too slow of shutter speeds because of f3.3-6.4

For sports I'd like to shoot 1/1000-1/2000 sec.

For the maxed out zoom(360mm equiv), most lighting, I can only get about 1/60 sec, iso 640. For min. zoom, 1/250 sec. iso200.

Are you sure about your setting? Based on specs you should be able to set max ISO 12800, max shutter speed 1/16000s.

With the light usually available, lens zoomed to 200mm eq, even 1/000 sec requires iso above 3,000. sharpness not acceptable.

So, is a NON changeable lens camera available with an equiv zoom of about 24-300mm with aperture of about f2-f4 available?

There are two ways to improve low light performance:

- faster aperture - nobody do it, not on tiny 1/2.3" sensor

- bigger sensor - 1", it's probably good way for you

So maybe used Panasonic FZ2500 or similar bridge 1" camera is a best for you.

Another step is interchangeable m4/3 camera with two lenses.

If not I'll have to go to multiple lenses. I was hoping that the 1" sensor format would have something only to keep the actual size smaller.

Since cell phones, it seems a lot less r&d going into what I'm looking for.

Thanks