eNo
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This is a terrific discussion, Ian. Though I'm one of those technical/scientific types you mention, this idea of balance has come somewhat naturally to me. In fact, I think studying composition and "the rules" spoiled me a bit for a short time. I would use the rule of thirds and things just wouldn't feel right. When I started looking at things more graphically and thinking about the arrangement of objects, both in terms of shape and size, things started clicking. Still, in the end, it comes down to how things feel. If it's precisely composed but somehow feels wrong, I encourage folks to look at what you point out here and re-examine why things might or might be working out inside the frame.
One follow up to this that might be interesting is the concept of imbalance. Here's a recent shot of mine that feels right to me, but is ultimately imbalanced. The assymetrical arrangement of the pillars (not the usual right down the middle, vanishing point composition) and the empty (or nearly so) space on the left rubs some the wrong way. But for me the composition is still firmly anchored and works, even if ultimately imbalanced... or perhaps you can argue it's balanced in terms of what you explain in your OP. Maybe since it's more than 2 objects, I can't do the math.
This concept of imbalance is very prevalent when chiarroscuro comes into play. Here's another sample shot from my concert photography porfolio that shows a shot that (I think) works, even when there's no large or small object counter-balance. Instead we just have negative space to the left. It works (I think) because there's an implied object over there, namely the audience, and (I've read in books) the negative space itself becomes the larger object that counter-balances the singer.
Here's one where bright color rather than absolute negative space (black shadow) counter-balances the singer -- though we could argue the piano top is the smaller object that counter-balances (on the opposite corner along an implied diagonal) it is fairly equi-distant from the frame's center point and is not significantly different in size with respect to the singer.
Here's one more, back to chiarroscuro, though the obvious line of sight from the musician to that small sliver of sheet music may be the balance that you describe... though again, equi-distant from the frame's center point.
Overall, an interesting topic, and one, I think that is not so easy to define in pure formulaic terms -- as is the case, I've discovered, for composition in general. Ultimately the photo has to work, and also I'd caution that other compositional considerations intertwine and/or overrule one another.
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One follow up to this that might be interesting is the concept of imbalance. Here's a recent shot of mine that feels right to me, but is ultimately imbalanced. The assymetrical arrangement of the pillars (not the usual right down the middle, vanishing point composition) and the empty (or nearly so) space on the left rubs some the wrong way. But for me the composition is still firmly anchored and works, even if ultimately imbalanced... or perhaps you can argue it's balanced in terms of what you explain in your OP. Maybe since it's more than 2 objects, I can't do the math.
This concept of imbalance is very prevalent when chiarroscuro comes into play. Here's another sample shot from my concert photography porfolio that shows a shot that (I think) works, even when there's no large or small object counter-balance. Instead we just have negative space to the left. It works (I think) because there's an implied object over there, namely the audience, and (I've read in books) the negative space itself becomes the larger object that counter-balances the singer.
Here's one where bright color rather than absolute negative space (black shadow) counter-balances the singer -- though we could argue the piano top is the smaller object that counter-balances (on the opposite corner along an implied diagonal) it is fairly equi-distant from the frame's center point and is not significantly different in size with respect to the singer.
Here's one more, back to chiarroscuro, though the obvious line of sight from the musician to that small sliver of sheet music may be the balance that you describe... though again, equi-distant from the frame's center point.
Overall, an interesting topic, and one, I think that is not so easy to define in pure formulaic terms -- as is the case, I've discovered, for composition in general. Ultimately the photo has to work, and also I'd caution that other compositional considerations intertwine and/or overrule one another.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Seeking the heart and spirit in each image
Gallery and blog: http://imagesbyeduardo.com
Google plus: http://www.gplus.to/imagesbyeduardo
Flickr stream: http://www.flickr.com/photos/imagesbyeduardo/