Backfocus Poll -150 messages limit reached.

[KiwiD70]

Well, far from being "pointless" and "invaild" as many commented, the informal poll I started seems to have shown a MAJOR b/f issue with D70's. With over 80 cases repeorted on this forum alone any sensible extrapolation of the data, i.e. there would need to be 8000 D70 users posting here for the b/f issue to be less than 1% of cameras, shows that Nikon have a problem they should be owning up to.

A 1%+ failure rate at sale in modern consumer electronics is about 10 to 100 times too high by usual ACHIEVED standards. Most Japanese companies AIM for "five nines" (i.e. 99.999%) quality standards, 1% failure rate is 2 nines quality (99%), or 1000 times worse than that.

BTW,my guess,and its only a guess, is that there are about 3000 D70 owbers here on the forum, that would imply a b/f problem rate of over 2.5% - totally unacceptable.

AND - for all the b/f doubters -YES that does also imply about 2,920 cameras that are fine!

 

[Paul.R.Lindqvist]

If u got a defective camera return it for repair,exchange it, or get a refund.

Is there another solution that i missed ?

Regards
Paul L.

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D70 Kit/1GB CF Ultra II

 

[KiwiD70]

Yes, for future camera purchasers there is a solution you have missed. Getting Nikon to fix the problem so that furure buyers don't have the blasted inconvenience of buying a new camera, finding that some of their shots are ruined by poor focus (BTW Nikon doesn't re-imburse for those, or replace or repair them!) and having to either make a trip back to the store for exchange or refund, or possibly waiting days (or in some cases weeks) to get the camera working as it should have been when they bought it.

If you are happy with 2 1/2% of what you buy neededing to be returned or repaired, thats OK by me, but I'm not! Oh by the way, would you be happy if 2 1/2% of the cars on sale had a minor fuel tank defect that caused them to explode? Shouldn't be an issue,after all you could always exchange, return for repair or refund.................

Cheers.....

If u got a defective camera return it for repair,exchange it, or
get a refund.

Is there another solution that i missed ?

Regards
Paul L.

--
D70 Kit/1GB CF Ultra II

 

[Paolo Pizzi]

Well, far from being "pointless" and "invaild" as many commented,
the informal poll I started seems to have shown a MAJOR b/f issue
with D70's. With over 80 cases repeorted on this forum alone any
sensible extrapolation of the data, i.e. there would need to be
8000 D70 users posting here for the b/f issue to be less than 1% of
cameras, shows that Nikon have a problem they should be owning up
to.

Every idiot who doesn't know what shallow DOF is will easily
blame the D70, now that the paranoia has spread.

BTW,my guess,and its only a guess, is that there are about 3000 D70
owbers here on the forum, that would imply a b/f problem rate of
over 2.5% - totally unacceptable.

My guess is at least 2.5% of the people in this forum (and I suspect
a lot more...) don't know jack s* t about the basics of photography
but they're more than ready to blame their failures on the D70...

------------------------------------------------
'Everything should be made as
simple as possible, but no simpler.'

(Albert Einstein)

• Equipment list in profile.

 

[KiwiD70]

Why thank you for your arrogant words! I'd have to add that probably a lot more than 2 1/2 % know jack about what a properly operating auotfocus system should do...I guess that 2 1/2% includes all those who dismiss b/f as user error...any mirrors handing at your place?

Shallow DOF doesn't shift the focus point backwrds from where you focussed...

BTW

'Only two things are infinite, the universe and human
stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former'....Albert Einstein

Well, far from being "pointless" and "invaild" as many commented,
the informal poll I started seems to have shown a MAJOR b/f issue
with D70's. With over 80 cases repeorted on this forum alone any
sensible extrapolation of the data, i.e. there would need to be
8000 D70 users posting here for the b/f issue to be less than 1% of
cameras, shows that Nikon have a problem they should be owning up
to.

Every idiot who doesn't know what shallow DOF is will easily
blame the D70, now that the paranoia has spread.

BTW,my guess,and its only a guess, is that there are about 3000 D70
owbers here on the forum, that would imply a b/f problem rate of
over 2.5% - totally unacceptable.

My guess is at least 2.5% of the people in this forum (and I suspect
a lot more...) don't know jack s* t about the basics of photography
but they're more than ready to blame their failures on the D70...

------------------------------------------------
'Everything should be made as
simple as possible, but no simpler.'

(Albert Einstein)

• Equipment list in profile.

 

[Paul.R.Lindqvist]

If you are happy with 2 1/2% of what you buy neededing to be
returned or repaired, thats OK by me, but I'm not! Oh by the way,
would you be happy if 2 1/2% of the cars on sale had a minor fuel
tank defect that caused them to explode? Shouldn't be an
issue,after all you could always exchange, return for repair or
refund.................

Cheers.....

If u got a defective camera return it for repair,exchange it, or
get a refund.

Is there another solution that i missed ?

Regards
Paul L.

--
D70 Kit/1GB CF Ultra II

LMAO!

Seriously man fuel tank explode ? suffering prisoners in iraq. lord whats with u guys !? i never heard so many lame comparisons. Why so upset ? u need get some distance to this issue. U take it personally ? u think nikon sits there laughing at u guys who got BF cameras ?

And offcourse when u buy a product u want it to work flawless. But u know aswell as i do that not every unit is perfect that there is always a certain percent of unit that is fubar. this is nothing exlusive for Nikon this goes for the whole electronic industri. As for the trips well u made the trip the first time when u bought it. Offcourse if u want to return/exchange a product u have to return it to the retailer u bought it from ( or to nikon) nothing strange about it. a tad annyoing after spent around 1000 usd on a product? yes, but its just the way it is.

And Nikon is probebly over seeing their QC. And people who send their cameras to Nikon seems to get them fixed now.

Regards
Paul L.
--
D70 Kit/1GB CF Ultra II

 

[Paolo Pizzi]

Why thank you for your arrogant words!

Thank you for insulting me.

I'd have to add that
probably a lot more than 2 1/2 % know jack about what a properly
operating auotfocus system should do...I guess that 2 1/2% includes
all those who dismiss b/f as user error...any mirrors handing at
your place?

Thanks again for insulting me. Wanna bet who's got more
SLR and Nikon product experience here?

Shallow DOF doesn't shift the focus point backwrds from where you
focussed...

That explains hundreds of postings going like: "my pictures look like
cr*p, is that backfocus?" Yeah right, those guys really nailed it...

------------------------------------------------
'Everything should be made as
simple as possible, but no simpler.'

(Albert Einstein)

• Equipment list in profile.

 

[KiwiD70]

Why thank you for your arrogant words!

Thank you for insulting me. _

You asked for it!!

I'd have to add that
probably a lot more than 2 1/2 % know jack about what a properly
operating auotfocus system should do...I guess that 2 1/2% includes
all those who dismiss b/f as user error...any mirrors handing at
your place?

Thanks again for insulting me. Wanna bet who's got more
SLR and Nikon product experience here?

Mines bigger than yours!!!!! Oh well, I guess 30+yrs experience , 18-1000mm lenses , Canon, Nikon,Minlota,Leica Olympus, Mamaya, Koni-Omega 35mm and medium format all used professionally + Optics manufacturer and importer all pale into insignifcance compared to the magnifcence of your equipment and experience.

Shallow DOF doesn't shift the focus point backwrds from where you
focussed...

That explains hundreds of postings going like: "my pictures look like
cr*p, is that backfocus?" Yeah right, those guys really nailed it...

Yes, when the target's 2m away and the lens focus scale when autofocussed says 3m + I guess that's just shallow DOF????????????

'It is better to keep one's mouth shut and be thought a fool ...
than to open it and prove it.'

Mark Twain

 

[Parsons]

All of you are idiots. Buy it. Don't buy it. Get Canon. Get Fuji. Hey Nikon! Fix it! Or don't fix it! Are all y'all just emerging from puberty? What is it that I'm reading? Tuck them back in, fellas. We're talking of a camera in relatively unchartered technological seas.

ep

"Those who always quote other people have nothing worthwhile to say themselves" - ep

Why thank you for your arrogant words!

Thank you for insulting me. _

You asked for it!!

I'd have to add that
probably a lot more than 2 1/2 % know jack about what a properly
operating auotfocus system should do...I guess that 2 1/2% includes
all those who dismiss b/f as user error...any mirrors handing at
your place?

Thanks again for insulting me. Wanna bet who's got more
SLR and Nikon product experience here?

Mines bigger than yours!!!!! Oh well, I guess 30+yrs experience ,
18-1000mm lenses , Canon, Nikon,Minlota,Leica Olympus, Mamaya,
Koni-Omega 35mm and medium format all used professionally + Optics
manufacturer and importer all pale into insignifcance compared to
the magnifcence of your equipment and experience.

Shallow DOF doesn't shift the focus point backwrds from where you
focussed...

That explains hundreds of postings going like: "my pictures look like
cr*p, is that backfocus?" Yeah right, those guys really nailed it...

Yes, when the target's 2m away and the lens focus scale when
autofocussed says 3m + I guess that's just shallow DOF????????????

'It is better to keep one's mouth shut and be thought a fool ...
than to open it and prove it.'

Mark Twain

 

[evinsky]

You talk the talk, can you walk the walk? (Stanley Kubrick, I could'nt resist)

Heres some of mine...



Still think I don't know what depth of field is? I've tought photography you Dolt!

 

[KiwiD70]

ep

"Those who always quote other people have nothing worthwhile to say
themselves" - ep

Why thank you for your arrogant words!

Thank you for insulting me. _

You asked for it!!

I'd have to add that
probably a lot more than 2 1/2 % know jack about what a properly
operating auotfocus system should do...I guess that 2 1/2% includes
all those who dismiss b/f as user error...any mirrors handing at
your place?

Thanks again for insulting me. Wanna bet who's got more
SLR and Nikon product experience here?

Mines bigger than yours!!!!! Oh well, I guess 30+yrs experience ,
18-1000mm lenses , Canon, Nikon,Minlota,Leica Olympus, Mamaya,
Koni-Omega 35mm and medium format all used professionally + Optics
manufacturer and importer all pale into insignifcance compared to
the magnifcence of your equipment and experience.

Shallow DOF doesn't shift the focus point backwrds from where you
focussed...

That explains hundreds of postings going like: "my pictures look like
cr*p, is that backfocus?" Yeah right, those guys really nailed it...

Yes, when the target's 2m away and the lens focus scale when
autofocussed says 3m + I guess that's just shallow DOF????????????

'It is better to keep one's mouth shut and be thought a fool ...
than to open it and prove it.'

Mark Twain

 

[KiwiD70]

You talk the talk, can you walk the walk? (Stanley Kubrick, I
could'nt resist)

Heres some of mine...



Still think I don't know what depth of field is? I've tought
photography you Dolt!

 

[HammersFan]

Judging by some of the nasty comments and words used (and yes, putting the first letter, then symbols, followed by the last letter is still swearing) by some posters on this forum, I'd say more than 2.5% have a poor vocabulary and an even poorer control of their tempers.

You can disagree and put your argument in a controlled, intellectual form if you try (like they do at Nikonians).

Ends.

Well, far from being "pointless" and "invaild" as many commented,
the informal poll I started seems to have shown a MAJOR b/f issue
with D70's. With over 80 cases repeorted on this forum alone any
sensible extrapolation of the data, i.e. there would need to be
8000 D70 users posting here for the b/f issue to be less than 1% of
cameras, shows that Nikon have a problem they should be owning up
to.

Every idiot who doesn't know what shallow DOF is will easily
blame the D70, now that the paranoia has spread.

BTW,my guess,and its only a guess, is that there are about 3000 D70
owbers here on the forum, that would imply a b/f problem rate of
over 2.5% - totally unacceptable.

My guess is at least 2.5% of the people in this forum (and I suspect
a lot more...) don't know jack s* t about the basics of photography
but they're more than ready to blame their failures on the D70...

------------------------------------------------
'Everything should be made as
simple as possible, but no simpler.'

(Albert Einstein)

• Equipment list in profile.

 

[boise]

I everybody

could someone send me the link with the excel spreadsheets to do the test i could no find it and also explanation on how to do the test.

Regards

Bernard

Well, far from being "pointless" and "invaild" as many commented,
the informal poll I started seems to have shown a MAJOR b/f issue
with D70's. With over 80 cases repeorted on this forum alone any
sensible extrapolation of the data, i.e. there would need to be
8000 D70 users posting here for the b/f issue to be less than 1% of
cameras, shows that Nikon have a problem they should be owning up
to.

A 1%+ failure rate at sale in modern consumer electronics is about
10 to 100 times too high by usual ACHIEVED standards. Most
Japanese companies AIM for "five nines" (i.e. 99.999%) quality
standards, 1% failure rate is 2 nines quality (99%), or 1000 times
worse than that.

BTW,my guess,and its only a guess, is that there are about 3000 D70
owbers here on the forum, that would imply a b/f problem rate of
over 2.5% - totally unacceptable.

AND - for all the b/f doubters -YES that does also imply about
2,920 cameras that are fine!

 

[Paolo Pizzi]

I never said the problem isn't real and that ANYBODY who
sees BF is necessarily a newbie who doesn't know what DOF
is. I said that it's been totally blown out of proportions and
now the whole thing has created widespread hysteria to the
point that every inexperienced user who shoots at f/2.8 and
does not see everything in focus is ready to blame it on the
D70's "backfocus problem."

------------------------------------------------
'Everything should be made as
simple as possible, but no simpler.'

(Albert Einstein)

• Equipment list in profile.

 

[Paolo Pizzi]

Judging by some of the nasty comments and words used (and yes,
putting the first letter, then symbols, followed by the last letter
is still swearing) by some posters on this forum, I'd say more than
2.5% have a poor vocabulary and an even poorer control of their
tempers.

You can disagree and put your argument in a controlled,
intellectual form if you try (like they do at Nikonians).

Sure, blame it all on me, I'm the one with the Hispanic-sounding
name (which BTW is not Hispanic at all, but if it were I wouldn't
be ashamed of it...) and therefore I MUST be the one with poor
education and even poorer manners...

------------------------------------------------
'Everything should be made as
simple as possible, but no simpler.'

(Albert Einstein)

• Equipment list in profile.

 

[thomas1973]

Well, far from being "pointless" and "invaild" as many commented,
the informal poll I started seems to have shown a MAJOR b/f issue
with D70's. With over 80 cases repeorted on this forum alone any
sensible extrapolation of the data, i.e. there would need to be
8000 D70 users posting here for the b/f issue to be less than 1% of
cameras, shows that Nikon have a problem they should be owning up
to.

When are you going to get it?!? This poll of yours is invalid and does NOT prove a thing, other than 80 people saying they have BF. How many of these people do you think actually have BF???

Again, it's funny how ALL the backfocusing D70s got sold to users on DPreview (and on that chinese forum).

At the Nikonians D70 forum there's ONE short thread on BF (and one more, which is asking what BF is, then, after the response, being relieved he doesn't have it).

And in the 'pro' Nikon forums, no-one is talking about the horrible QC of Nikon (even though quite a few of them have D70's).

How do you explain this, D V Arlidge???? Could it be the numbers on this forum is inflated because of all the commotion?

I'm not saying the problem does not exist, but I'm sure it's blown WAY out of proportion on this forum! I really hope those of you who experience true BF will get it fixed by Nikon pronto (It will get you the joy of shooting with a great cam, and it will get the rest of us the joy of ridding this forum of all the BF threads, whipping up hysteria and dragging with them SLR newbies...), Please, just get your camera fixed already...

Thomas.

A 1%+ failure rate at sale in modern consumer electronics is about
10 to 100 times too high by usual ACHIEVED standards. Most
Japanese companies AIM for "five nines" (i.e. 99.999%) quality
standards, 1% failure rate is 2 nines quality (99%), or 1000 times
worse than that.

BTW,my guess,and its only a guess, is that there are about 3000 D70
owbers here on the forum, that would imply a b/f problem rate of
over 2.5% - totally unacceptable.

AND - for all the b/f doubters -YES that does also imply about
2,920 cameras that are fine!

 

[snriley]

But you were still rude and arrogant!

S-

Judging by some of the nasty comments and words used (and yes,
putting the first letter, then symbols, followed by the last letter
is still swearing) by some posters on this forum, I'd say more than
2.5% have a poor vocabulary and an even poorer control of their
tempers.

You can disagree and put your argument in a controlled,
intellectual form if you try (like they do at Nikonians).

Sure, blame it all on me, I'm the one with the Hispanic-sounding
name (which BTW is not Hispanic at all, but if it were I wouldn't
be ashamed of it...) and therefore I MUST be the one with poor
education and even poorer manners...

------------------------------------------------
'Everything should be made as
simple as possible, but no simpler.'

(Albert Einstein)

• Equipment list in profile.

 

[matze]

At the Nikonians D70 forum there's ONE short thread on BF (and one
more, which is asking what BF is, then, after the response, being
relieved he doesn't have it).

Have you checked how many people are reading and writing on the Nikonians forum compared to Dpreview???

Here are minimum 10 times more people then on Nikonians!

 

[GagBagger]

BTW,my guess,and its only a guess, is that there are about 3000 D70
owbers here on the forum, that would imply a b/f problem rate of
over 2.5% - totally unacceptable.

2.5% of D70 owners are idiots?

It's just a thought, though perhaps more plausible ;-)

Brendan
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Things that make you go, hmmmm...