Auto iso question

Do a lot of shooters just shoot with auto iso.
I'm sure many do.

I rather like Aperture Priority with Auto ISO
Isn't that using 2 auto modes at the same time? How can that work?
, although I frequently use other methods depending on the nature of the occasion.

For instance, if I'm shooting a sequence of similar images under consistent lighting i rather like full manual. That makes the various parameters of the images the same and makes it easier to match the images to each other.
Does the camera always get the correct exposure
I don't think we're likely to reach that point anytime soon, as "correct exposure" varies significantly with artistic intent, personal preference, and the nature of the scene.
I will probably go back to auto iso since that’s what I normally use.
While I applaud your willingness to experiment outside your comfort zone, at some point it's appropriate to just go with what works. If you're getting the results you like with your current method you've possibly discovered your sweet spot and perhaps should just press on :-)
 
Do a lot of shooters just shoot with auto iso.
I'm sure many do.

I rather like Aperture Priority with Auto ISO
Isn't that using 2 auto modes at the same time? How can that work?
Cameras have been able to set multiple settings based on meter readings for 50 years (not ISO of course, but f-stop and shutter speed).

Basically, you have three exposure settings - shutter speed, f-stop and ISO (which isn't really an exposure setting, but camera makers haven't figure out a better way to deal with it) and you can set 0, 1, 2 or all 3 of them and let the camera set the rest.

On most cameras, PASM controls whether you're setting f-stop, shutter speed, both or neither and you select Auto ISO separately.

Pentax has at least one additional exposure modes that incorporate Auto ISO (Auto ISO in M is called "Tav" or "shutter and aperture priority").

Fuji does away with the modes altogether (at least on some models) and just gives you an Auto option on each of the three settings, which is nice in theory, but a little bit of a nuisance to have to change all three just to change "modes" especially when lenses vary in what they offer for aperture rings (some have marked rings, some unmarked rings and some no rings).
 
I have the Nikon z 5 ii camera and shoot in auto iso. I’ve done this with previous Nikon cameras. So I wanted to try something different. I took auto iso off and set it manually. My photos seemed to turn out very nice. The setting I was using was manual. Do a lot of shooters just shoot with auto iso. Does the camera always get the correct exposure or is it touch and go. I will probably go back to auto iso since that’s what I normally use.
Auto ISO is a tool. It handles changing light quite well. It's not perfect - and sometimes is the wrong tool. Sometimes Auto ISO is simply more trouble than it's worth.

Auto ISO uses your camera's metering choice. There are several choices. Matrix metering consider the entire frame, incorporates scene recognition, and weights the subject more heavily so it can get closer to the correct exposure. But it can miss - and you have to use Exposure Compensation to adjust your exposure as needed. The most common reason for it missing exposure are changes in the luminance of the background (much lighter or darker), changes in the brightness of your subject (especially white or black clothing), and the size of the subject in the frame. Other metering modes weight the center of the frame or the subject more heavily - or meter based on a specific part of the frame. Every metering mode is subject to errors.

No - the camera does not get exposure right every time if lighting and scene are changing - it's up to the photographer to understand what the camera tells them, how it determines exposure, and whether adjustment is required. Experienced photographers can read a scene and know that it needs an adjustment of + or - 1.5-2.0 for exposure compensation and have a minor exposure adjustment when editing. But if the scene does not change and you set up your exposure correctly, the camera is completely consistent and will produce the same exposure for every frame.

Sunny 16 is always the same. If your subject is in full sun, the exposure never changes and is based on the Sunny 16 rule. That exposure works for anything that is in the sun.

Constant light on your subject - even if it is not full sun - still means a constant exposure. The exposure only changes when the lighting changes. This applies to light clouds, overcast conditions, shade, or even astrophotography.

Depending on your scene and metering choice, changes in the scene, subject size, subject clothing, etc., automated metering requires exposure compensation to adjust the exposure so the exposure is correct. Manual exposure simply locks in those settings. Manual with Auto ISO is just another automated exposure choice. You still need exposure compensation for the correct exposure.

When you have situations with constant lighting, you don't need Auto ISO. A fixed ISO is more predictable and does not require constant adjustments to Exposure Comp as backgrounds, subject distance, and subject luminance change.

Arthur Morris photographs primarily birds - wading birds, shorebirds, and similar subject. One of his first steps it to determine the sun angle so he chooses an angle of light where the subject is well lit. Creatively he can make choices and use other settings for other lighting situations. Ideally he'll spend an hour or two working subjects with the same lighting - so the exposure does not change and every subject is perfectly lit. Using this method I've photographed birds in full sun for more than an hour without needing to make any changes in exposure even though I was photographing white and dark birds with water, sky and sand as backgrounds.

For birding photography - photographing subjects where the primary goal is bird observation and identification - you spend a very short time on each subject, the bird is small in the frame, and subjects can be at any angle with any lighting. Auto ISO is a lot more useful in this scenario because light on your subject is constantly changing.

Here is an example of where Fixed ISO pays off. The same subject group made a single pass in formation and the background was all that changed. With Manual and fixed ISO every image was perfectly exposed. If you used Auto ISO you would need to adjust Exposure Comp every frame or two and might be forced to make corrections using your editing tool - if those adjustments were even possible.



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The great option you have with Auto ISO is it is easy to activate. You can set your camera for a fixed ISO, but if light changes and you need an automated exposure, just hold the ISO button and rotate the front control wheel to switch to Auto ISO. Repeat the process to switch back to a fixed ISO.

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Eric Bowles
 
> I don't use auto iso as I always feel the camera frequently makes some decisions I don't agree with.

May I ask a quick question here: when do you "not agree with the camera" – before or after taking the photo? How do you compare your own judgment with the metering of the camera, is it "just" guesswork (or experience) or any other way?

And how much deviation from your own judgement and the camera's metering would you find acceptable?

Final question: do you shoot in NEF or JPEG and do you process your photos?
 
> I don't use auto iso as I always feel the camera frequently makes some decisions I don't agree with.

May I ask a quick question here: when do you "not agree with the camera" – before or after taking the photo? How do you compare your own judgment with the metering of the camera, is it "just" guesswork (or experience) or any other way?

And how much deviation from your own judgement and the camera's metering would you find acceptable?

Final question: do you shoot in NEF or JPEG and do you process your photos?
Easy answer on my side:
Yes. You pinned it all the way!

Films are harsh teachers

1/500 f/8 evening > ISO 100 ?? > Check frame ... water reflect light

1/250 f/4,5 rainy > ISO 9000 ?? > shoot & check ... ouch a dark spot

Usually, if I feel a 400 ISO is to be expected,
I may accept a 200 as a 1000, just looking around again.
Not always, but most of the time, experience tells me what to expect on the monitor

I will not often go on Full M, and only in very strange situations; otherwise, I use exposure correction.
So far, I've never used A or S or P, but one day I plan to test that things 😇

( Last question, last answer: Nef + JPG ... and I usually share/use only edited photos)
 
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I have the Nikon z 5 ii camera and shoot in auto iso. I’ve done this with previous Nikon cameras. So I wanted to try something different.

I took auto iso off and set it manually. My photos seemed to turn out very nice.

The setting I was using was manual. Do a lot of shooters just shoot with auto iso. Does the camera always get the correct exposure or is it touch and go. I will probably go back to auto iso since that’s what I normally use.
Hi!

It varies with the circumstance, however for me I often use Manual A and S, but keep a close eye on the ISO

Specifically, there are times where I want to keep the ISO very low and will lean toward a lower shutter speed or wider aperture in order to do so.

Sometimes I take advantage of the Z8 EVF to use exposure compensation

For example
, this Great Horned Owl and the Merced National Wildlife Refuge.

(Click on image for higher rez and EXIF)

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This owl was deep in the shadows of the tree branches so I used a +0.67 Exp compensation.

Saw that I had enough light to stop down a bit (tom f/4 to f/4.5) and still keep the (auto)ISO at 125

The subject was not moving, so I could get away with a manually selected shutter speed of 1/500 (Focal length was 560mm).

(Typically for birds in flight I would be using a faster shutter speed)

It was nice shooting at the lower ISO (125) since I was concerned about maximizing DR and minimizing noise.

Made me more sure that that I could pull details from the owl's shadows, and minimize noise.

Anyway, that's just what works for me.

Might not be the best for all circumstances or photographers...

I find it easy to manually set the aperture and shutter speed and then keep a sharp eye on the (auto)ISO and adjust accordingly, using exposure compensation when needed.

Best Regards,

RB

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https://www.nikonimages.com/member-photos/859
 
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Hi!

It varies with the circumstance, however for me I often use Manual A and S, but keep a close eye on the ISO

Specifically, there are times where I want to keep the ISO very low and will lean toward a lower shutter speed or wider aperture in order to do so.

Sometimes I take advantage of the Z8 EVF to use exposure compensation

For example
, this Great Horned Owl and the Merced National Wildlife Refuge.

(Click on image for higher rez and EXIF)

original.jpg


This owl was deep in the shadows of the tree branches so I used a +0.67 Exp compensation.

Saw that I had enough light to stop down a bit (tom f/4 to f/4.5) and still keep the (auto)ISO at 125

The subject was not moving, so I could get away with a manually selected shutter speed of 1/500 (Focal length was 560mm).

(Typically for birds in flight I would be using a faster shutter speed)

It was nice shooting at the lower ISO (125) since I was concerned about maximizing DR and minimizing noise.

Made me more sure that that I could pull details from the owl's shadows, and minimize noise.

Anyway, that's just what works for me.

Might not be the best for all circumstances or photographers...

I find it easy to manually set the aperture and shutter speed and then keep a sharp eye on the (auto)ISO and adjust accordingly, using exposure compensation when needed.

Best Regards,

RB


Beautiful image! I have to ask though- if you're manually setting SS and aperture AND watching ISO aren't you really just adjusting ISO with the exposure comp adjustment?
 
Hi!

It varies with the circumstance, however for me I often use Manual A and S, but keep a close eye on the ISO

Specifically, there are times where I want to keep the ISO very low and will lean toward a lower shutter speed or wider aperture in order to do so.

Sometimes I take advantage of the Z8 EVF to use exposure compensation

For example
, this Great Horned Owl and the Merced National Wildlife Refuge.

(Click on image for higher rez and EXIF)

original.jpg


This owl was deep in the shadows of the tree branches so I used a +0.67 Exp compensation.

Saw that I had enough light to stop down a bit (tom f/4 to f/4.5) and still keep the (auto)ISO at 125

The subject was not moving, so I could get away with a manually selected shutter speed of 1/500 (Focal length was 560mm).

(Typically for birds in flight I would be using a faster shutter speed)

It was nice shooting at the lower ISO (125) since I was concerned about maximizing DR and minimizing noise.

Made me more sure that that I could pull details from the owl's shadows, and minimize noise.

Anyway, that's just what works for me.

Might not be the best for all circumstances or photographers...

I find it easy to manually set the aperture and shutter speed and then keep a sharp eye on the (auto)ISO and adjust accordingly, using exposure compensation when needed.

Best Regards,

RB
Beautiful image!
Thanks!
I have to ask though- if you're manually setting SS and aperture AND watching ISO aren't you really just adjusting ISO with the exposure comp adjustment?
Hi!

In this case, yes.

However, in practice, I usually end up not touching either the exposure comp or ISO adjustments directly.

But I typically look at the EVF to see where the auto ISO is, and if it's close to a reasonable range I'll just shoot.

Probably the most common time that I use use exp comp is to dial down the exposure when shooting white birds in order to avoid blowing the highlights:

- 0.33 EV

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- 1.3 ev

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But, as I've said, I usually don't end up touching either the exp com or ISO adjustments directly.

And if I do, it's quick and easy to adjust Aperture, Speed and exp comp.



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And no post is complete without a cat picture included :-)



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Best Regards,

RB

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An orange tabby and a Plena were made for each other!!!!

And yes, I used Manual plus Auto ISO.

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Alan
 
Thank you for the reply. WOW. Have to say what great nice detail in the owl photo. You should get a metal print made. Anyway I like to experiment and usually shoot with auto iso in manual mode. So wanted to try setting iso manually. I do like Aperture priority at times as well.
 
Thanks - much appreciated!

Is there a link to your work?
 

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