Auto iso on DLs (if they arrive...)

[André BARELIER]

Hello,

VERY disappointed to see that nothing comes from Nikon at Photokina. I'm sure some of us will give up and look elsewhere...

Not sure if this question should be asked here or in the Coolpix forum...

Does anybody know how auto iso works on the DLs ? I didn't find anything about that.

I hope Nikon forgot the N1 implementation, and used the same as in its DSLRs or in the P7800.

Especially, i'd like to know if:

1/ it's possible to set a minimum shutter speed

2/ the camera can be set so that the minimum SS varies depending on the focal length used (like in the D7100, for example)

3/ auto iso and exposure compensation are available in M mode

Thanks for any info.

 

[Clive99]

I have the same question. Those features would be enough for me to replace my J5 with a DL. Nikon please don't cripple the DL like you did the N1.

Clive

 

[jonikon]

Hello,

VERY disappointed to see that nothing comes from Nikon at Photokina. I'm sure some of us will give up and look elsewhere...

Not sure if this question should be asked here or in the Coolpix forum...

Does anybody know how auto iso works on the DLs ? I didn't find anything about that.

I hope Nikon forgot the N1 implementation, and used the same as in its DSLRs or in the P7800.

Especially, i'd like to know if:

1/ it's possible to set a minimum shutter speed

2/ the camera can be set so that the minimum SS varies depending on the focal length used (like in the D7100, for example)

3/ auto iso and exposure compensation are available in M mode

Thanks for any info.

 

[André BARELIER]

Hello,

VERY disappointed to see that nothing comes from Nikon at Photokina. I'm sure some of us will give up and look elsewhere...

Not sure if this question should be asked here or in the Coolpix forum...

Does anybody know how auto iso works on the DLs ? I didn't find anything about that.

I hope Nikon forgot the N1 implementation, and used the same as in its DSLRs or in the P7800.

Especially, i'd like to know if:

1/ it's possible to set a minimum shutter speed

2/ the camera can be set so that the minimum SS varies depending on the focal length used (like in the D7100, for example)

3/ auto iso and exposure compensation are available in M mode

Thanks for any info.

 

[jonikon]

Hello,

VERY disappointed to see that nothing comes from Nikon at Photokina. I'm sure some of us will give up and look elsewhere...

Not sure if this question should be asked here or in the Coolpix forum...

Does anybody know how auto iso works on the DLs ? I didn't find anything about that.

I hope Nikon forgot the N1 implementation, and used the same as in its DSLRs or in the P7800.

Especially, i'd like to know if:

1/ it's possible to set a minimum shutter speed

2/ the camera can be set so that the minimum SS varies depending on the focal length used (like in the D7100, for example)

3/ auto iso and exposure compensation are available in M mode

Thanks for any info.

 

[Richard Murdey]

I hope Nikon forgot the N1 implementation, and used the same as in its DSLRs or in the P7800.

Yay me, for being the only one on the planet who likes the "rubber band" auto ISO implementation on the V1.

I find the dSLR autoISO very "dumb". It just keeps the lowest set ISO until it runs to the maximum aperture and/or minimum shutter speed, and only then ramps up ISO.

That's not how I do things when controlling a camera manually, and its not how I want the autoISO to work. As the light falls I gradually ramp ISO, and at the same time drop the aperture and shutter speed a little too, so that I arrive at the maximum ISO, minimum shutter speed, and the maximum aperture more-or-less simultaneously. This is what autoISO on the V1 does and I like it that way.

I find this natural: I don't want to be stuck with the maximum aperture or a dicey shutter speed if I can avoid it by just moving the ISO up to 400 or 800. Only when I'm really out of options (ISO wize) should the camera be using these as measures of last resort.

/R

 

[DaveR43]

I'm always upset when I compare my V1 with my P7800: the latter has a LOT of extremely useful photographic features that the V1 lacks.
André

May I ask. Besides the standard flash hot shoe, what other features does the p7800 have that the V1 lacks?

- Jon

The differences can be seen by examination of the side-by-side comparison chart:

https://www.dpreview.com/products/compare/side-by-side?products=nikon_cpp7800&products=nikon_v1

Some points are obvious from the top view:



Essentially the 7800 has in addition to the V1,

• Standard hot shoe flash, as you've noted
• Mode control dial for PASM and scene modes
• Exposure compensation dial
• Pop-up flash (as well as the hot she)
• Articulated LCD screen

The DL24-85 includes the P7800 additions, except it has a tilting screen, rather than being fully articulated. Here side by side with the J5



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DaveR

 

[André BARELIER]

I'm always upset when I compare my V1 with my P7800: the latter has a LOT of extremely useful photographic features that the V1 lacks.
André

May I ask. Besides the standard flash hot shoe, what other features does the p7800 have that the V1 lacks?

- Jon

The differences can be seen by examination of the side-by-side comparison chart:

https://www.dpreview.com/products/compare/side-by-side?products=nikon_cpp7800&products=nikon_v1

Some points are obvious from the top view:

Essentially the 7800 has in addition to the V1,

• Standard hot shoe flash, as you've noted
• Mode control dial for PASM and scene modes
• Exposure compensation dial
• Pop-up flash (as well as the hot she)
• Articulated LCD screen

The DL24-85 includes the P7800 additions, except it has a tilting screen, rather than being fully articulated. Here side by side with the J5

 

[André BARELIER]

I hope Nikon forgot the N1 implementation, and used the same as in its DSLRs or in the P7800.

Yay me, for being the only one on the planet who likes the "rubber band" auto ISO implementation on the V1.

Ah, ah Richard! Yes, I think you're the only one!

I find the dSLR autoISO very "dumb". It just keeps the lowest set ISO until it runs to the maximum aperture and/or minimum shutter speed, and only then ramps up ISO.

That's not how I do things when controlling a camera manually, and its not how I want the autoISO to work. As the light falls I gradually ramp ISO, and at the same time drop the aperture and shutter speed a little too, so that I arrive at the maximum ISO, minimum shutter speed, and the maximum aperture more-or-less simultaneously. This is what autoISO on the V1 does and I like it that way.

Your choice. Not mine at all. The V1 doesn't allow you to set a minimal shutter speed. It seems that its minimal SS with the 10-30 is 1/30s.

For me, that's way too fast when shooting at 10mm with VR. I can handhold safely the camera at 1/8s. That's 2 stops.

I find this natural: I don't want to be stuck with the maximum aperture or a dicey shutter speed if I can avoid it by just moving the ISO up to 400 or 800. Only when I'm really out of options (ISO wize) should the camera be using these as measures of last resort.

I do see your point. But I think your reasoning makes much more sense when using a DSLR, which allows to control DOF, and handles high iso easily.

/R

 

[D300SandV1shooter]

It's a puzzle why Nikon doesn't provide those already developed S/W features, where the cost per unit to include them (memory) is essentially - peanuts.

 

[jonikon]

I'm always upset when I compare my V1 with my P7800: the latter has a LOT of extremely useful photographic features that the V1 lacks.
André

May I ask. Besides the standard flash hot shoe, what other features does the p7800 have that the V1 lacks?

- Jon

The differences can be seen by examination of the side-by-side comparison chart:

https://www.dpreview.com/products/compare/side-by-side?products=nikon_cpp7800&products=nikon_v1

Some points are obvious from the top view:

Essentially the 7800 has in addition to the V1,

• Standard hot shoe flash, as you've noted
• Mode control dial for PASM and scene modes
• Exposure compensation dial
• Pop-up flash (as well as the hot she)
• Articulated LCD screen

The DL24-85 includes the P7800 additions, except it has a tilting screen, rather than being fully articulated. Here side by side with the J5

 

[Richard Murdey]

A Vx with these features would be a dream…

Or, in my case, a nightmare.

Yes, I know, I'm a tiny minority and don't worry you will get your wish as all "advanced" compacts are basically converging on the UI paradigm you describe. The V1 was a failed experiment, and I very much doubt it will ever be revisited. I, however, prefer it over anything the P7800 can do. Just reading your description of the auto-ISO setup had me nodding off with boredom. Why anyone would willingly wish to have such complicated features on a point-and-shoot camera sensor is quite beyond me. Well no, I get it: people enjoy having stuff to play with, they like to be able to set up everything. The fact that none of it really matters is not relevant to the desire to want to do it.

To recap my oft-repeated stance on this: the V1 has lightning fast, one handed EV comp and program shift. The autoISO 100-3200 is set-and-forget and works. Exposure and AF lock are easily accessed. Oh, and display switch and image review (yeah, I'm a chimpmaster!) is one handed, uber-quick.

That's it. I'm good. I'm done. In the field that's all I'm every going to be playing with. Everything else, like EV comp dials, mode dials, six programmable Fn buttons, user memory decks, art filter dials (looking at you Pen-F) ... is all just useless crud I want sand-blasted off my camera at the earliest available opportunity.

 

[DaveR43]

I'm always upset when I compare my V1 with my P7800: the latter has a LOT of extremely useful photographic features that the V1 lacks.
André

May I ask. Besides the standard flash hot shoe, what other features does the p7800 have that the V1 lacks?

- Jon

The differences can be seen by examination of the side-by-side comparison chart:

https://www.dpreview.com/products/compare/side-by-side?products=nikon_cpp7800&products=nikon_v1

Some points are obvious from the top view:

Essentially the 7800 has in addition to the V1,

• Standard hot shoe flash, as you've noted
• Mode control dial for PASM and scene modes
• Exposure compensation dial
• Pop-up flash (as well as the hot she)
• Articulated LCD screen

The DL24-85 includes the P7800 additions, except it has a tilting screen, rather than being fully articulated. Here side by side with the J5