Anyone Using Takumars?

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Has anyone here used a 55mm Takumar on their crop body? I'm thinking that could be a good FL for portraiture. I don't know much about these lenses though - which versions are sharp, which to avoid, etc. I also don't know how well they work into a sensor, as opposed to film. Would like to hear from anyone with experience in this area.

Jack

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I have a SMC 50/1.4 and a SMC 135/3.5. Both are very good lenses although the 50mm is a bit soft in the corners on my 5D. You'll never notice it on a cropped body. I am very happy with their performance on my EOS bodies.
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I have a SMC 50/1.4 and a SMC 135/3.5. Both are very good lenses
although the 50mm is a bit soft in the corners on my 5D. You'll
never notice it on a cropped body. I am very happy with their
performance on my EOS bodies.
Are yours the screw mount versions or the newer bayonet versions? I have a whole set of the older screw mount versions for the Spotmatic. Wish I could get a screwmount to Canon adaptor for them. Do you know of one? That would be fun and useful. :)
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Has anyone here used a 55mm Takumar on their crop body? I'm thinking
that could be a good FL for portraiture. I don't know much about
these lenses though - which versions are sharp, which to avoid, etc.
I also don't know how well they work into a sensor, as opposed to
film. Would like to hear from anyone with experience in this area.
I agree with you, Jack. I have also thought that the 55 f1.8 version would make a fine portrait lens. I have several of the older screw mount Super Takumars for Spotmatic. 28, 35, 50, 55, 85, 105, 135.

If I remember correctly, the 50 f1.4 was sharper from wide open to f8. Then the f1.8 version was a little better from f8 to f22. What the f1.4 lens really bought you was better performance in the f2 to f5.6 range. That 7th element really picked up the sharpness at wide aperatures. But then again, the 55 on a crop camera would be a better portrait focal length for head and shoulders type shots. I used to use my 85 for that all the time.
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Thanks to eveyone for the info. I'm mostly interested in the 55mm/1.4 M42. I take it they came in a few different versions. These are all very inexpensive; I just didn't want to waste the time if someone else had found them to be optically inferior on a DSLR.

Dale, there are dozens of people on eBay selling M42 screw mount to EOS Canon lens adapters. There are two types - bare mechanical adapters, and adapters with an "AF confirm" chip attached. Based on my experience recently with a non-chipped Nikon F adapter, I believe the 40D body needs the chip to meter consistently. That may not be true for other models like the 30D and 5D. I've ordered a chipped version for my Nikon primes, but was thinking that some of the older Takumars also look interesting.

I'll be in China in another month, so maybe I can pick up a few of the M42 variety. If I can find the bare chips, that might be another option.

Jack
I have a SMC 50/1.4 and a SMC 135/3.5. Both are very good lenses
although the 50mm is a bit soft in the corners on my 5D. You'll
never notice it on a cropped body. I am very happy with their
performance on my EOS bodies.
Are yours the screw mount versions or the newer bayonet versions? I
have a whole set of the older screw mount versions for the Spotmatic.
Wish I could get a screwmount to Canon adaptor for them. Do you know
of one? That would be fun and useful. :)
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kind regards
Dale
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There are Takumar lovers over at the fredmiranda.com Alterative board.
Pay a visit and you'll encounter a number who use them for portraiture.
 
I'm still using them (28mm up to 200mm -all of them primes) on old Asahi Pentax film slrs (Asahi Pentax SV and SPF), and I can tell you that, even when set to hyperfocal distance, they are every bit as good as (or better than) my Canon 17-40mmL lens for contrast, colour & sharpness.
 
Dale, there are dozens of people on eBay selling M42 screw mount to
EOS Canon lens adapters. There are two types - bare mechanical
adapters, and adapters with an "AF confirm" chip attached. Based on
my experience recently with a non-chipped Nikon F adapter, I believe
the 40D body needs the chip to meter consistently. That may not be
true for other models like the 30D and 5D. I've ordered a chipped
version for my Nikon primes, but was thinking that some of the older
Takumars also look interesting.
Jack, thank you for that information. I'll pay a trip to ebay and see if I can find one of the focus confirmed chip versions and give it a try.

I'm so glad that you posed this question, otherwise I wouldn't have had a clue that my old Takumars could still be of use. :) Mechanically and optically they are very good lenses. They are built much better than modern lenses. Smooth as silk and very sharp.
I'll be in China in another month, so maybe I can pick up a few of
the M42 variety. If I can find the bare chips, that might be another
option.
Great idea. I wish you well on your trip to China. Take lots of pictures and get all you can out of the time there. I'll be interested to see some of you pics when you get back. :)

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Dale
 
There are Takumar lovers over at the fredmiranda.com Alterative board.
Pay a visit and you'll encounter a number who use them for portraiture.
Thank you for the information, trumpet_guy.

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Dale
 
Dale - only Pentax screwmounts can be adapted for use on EOS - the
K-mount bayonet lenses won't fit.
Thank you for telling me. That is good news.
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Dale
 
Dale - only Pentax screwmounts can be adapted for use on EOS - the
K-mount bayonet lenses won't fit.
Thank you for telling me. That is good news.
...this is not exactly true - in fact it depends on which EOS body one is
intending to use with them; there were many posts about it in a past,
check for example this link:
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1019&message=26672075

I have quite few Taks M42 and Pantax-K lenses, all performing reasonably well.
However SMC Tak 50/1.4 is soft wide open even on a crop body - although it
gets very nice and sharp past f/4,

jpr2

Btw. there is a big difference between Super Taks (single coated, and their
glass contains Thorium which makes them yellowish with age); and SMC Taks,
which are newer, multicoated versions - free of Thorium as well.
 
...this is not exactly true - in fact it depends on which EOS body
one is
intending to use with them; there were many posts about it in a past,
check for example this link:
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1019&message=26672075

I have quite few Taks M42 and Pantax-K lenses, all performing
reasonably well.
However SMC Tak 50/1.4 is soft wide open even on a crop body -
although it
gets very nice and sharp past f/4,

jpr2

Btw. there is a big difference between Super Taks (single coated, and
their
glass contains Thorium which makes them yellowish with age); and SMC
Taks,
which are newer, multicoated versions - free of Thorium as well.
I didn't know that. Thanks for the update. I believe that I have a few of each. My most recent are the SMC Taks, but I also have some of the earlier single coated Taks as well. I'll have to be aware of the difference.

I just ordered one of the focus confirm adaptors on ebay. The one I got was the one with the "Euro chip" even though it was the most expensive since it seemed to be the most improved and offered the most advantages. They also guarantee it to work the the 50 f1.4, which has a protruding rear element similar to our EF-S lenses. However, they claim to have tested it with a 10D also. I guess I will know more shortly.

I'll read the link you provided and hopefully won't begin to regret my purchase. :)

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Dale
 
and the 50mm 1.2 SMC has even better bokeh but not as flare resistant.
Works great on the Xti and 1DMKIII and 5D
 
Here is a link to the one I got.
It sounded pretty good, but it would be nice to talk with someone who
actually has this model. What do you think?

http://cgi.ebay.com/EURO-ETTL-AF-Confirm-Chip-on-M42-to-Canon-EOS-Adapter_W0QQitemZ250231566344QQihZ015QQcategoryZ30059QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
First of all I need to make it right to the SMC Tak 50/1.4 (M42 version) - just
checked again, it is a bit softish at f/1.4, but already at f/1.8 it gets very
good and at f/2 is immaculate :))

Quite recently I obtained a new FS for the 40D, and this is the very first
time the 50/1.4 was checked again - focusing accuracy is of paramount
importance when using shallow DOF, and this was the primary factor
to obtain all these f/1.2 - f/2 lenses after all :).

As to the confirm chip you ordered - do not worry, they are all working
fine, number the pins visible on photos notwithstanding, I've six different
types, all OK (but only one of them was depicted = Aug. 2006, and as
Fate had it it was the one used today with 50/1.4 :)).

Much more important is machining accuracy of these adapters themselves:
  • thickness of the adapter itself (different bodies might have different needs
in this respect, most notably 5D and 1D series);
  • and the accuracy of M42 screw position (aperture setting mark should be
at vertical position);
  • diameter of the so called aperture flange opening (as you note looking
at the rear of your Taks they all have a little, mechanical lever which moves
when aperture is changed - some adapters are obstructing this movement;
and some are even so tight, that care needs to be taken when screwing
one's lens on the very first time in order not to bend this lever forcefully
as it would necessitate to take the lens apart and to set it right - not a
big deal if one is brave and with nible fingers though) - this is a flat
surface at the back of these adapters which pushes the M/A aperture
pin (not crucial if one's lens is equipped with the mechanical M/A switch);

Unfortunately it is not possible to glean much assurance from these e-bay
descriptions, and only upon arrival you'll be sure 100%. It is also a good idea
if you have many lenses, just to buy these confirmation chips "wholesale"
and then to glue them yourself. As soon as you'd be sure which type works
for you - they can be had for about $20 a piece, or less if ordered in bulk.
And then there are many sources of M42 --> EOS chipless adapters to
play with (Fotodiox makes good ones if you're in US).

Bottom line - recently there is also a new line of confirm chips, which can be
"programmed" to pass to EXIF much more complete and precise information
about shot's data - they are usually with 11-pins though, and not so easy
to get.

FWIW, jpr2
 
Yes they are m42 screwmount. Tons of adapter for this. Check out Fotodiox.com as one source.

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Long live the HMS Beagle
Critiques always welcome!
 
It is a deep and dark place when you start dealing with alternative lenses. The addictions soon becomes ovewhelming and you spend every waking hour dreaming of exotic glass to convert. Stop now before it's too late, LOL!!

I started with a simple M42 SMC 50/1.4 and rapidly went downhill from there.

I now use 5 Contax Zeiss, 3 Leice Rs, 2 Pentax, an Oly OM and a Vivitar series one. My lastest is a crazy 800mm f/8.0 mirror lens made by Minolta for Leica with a Leica R mount on it. The price to performance ratio is outstanding with these older lenses if you do a little research to identify the good ones,

Long live the HMS Beagle
Critiques always welcome!
 
I started with a simple M42 SMC 50/1.4 and rapidly went downhill from
there.
I now use 5 Contax Zeiss, 3 Leice Rs, 2 Pentax, an Oly OM and a
Vivitar series one. My lastest is a crazy 800mm f/8.0 mirror lens
made by Minolta for Leica with a Leica R mount on it. The price to
performance ratio is outstanding with these older lenses if you do a
little research to identify the good ones,
this is a serious, and sometimes even mortal affliction - know of a guy in
Toronto whose collection is perhaps above 50 primes; and even here quite
recently on the 40D forum there was a post about machining one's own
adapters :)) (the user in question owes over 40 !!!),

jpr2
 

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