Anyone considering Capture One 21 for Fujifilm upgrade

[DanLbk]

Phase One sent me a message saying that they're going to update the upgrade price of Capture One 21 for Fujifilm from $109 to $149 on January 11th. Has anyone gotten and used the 21 version and do you think the enhanced and additional features of the new version is worth making the upgrade now to avoid the price increase?

 

[maxxxx]

Phase One sent me a message saying that they're going to update the upgrade price of Capture One 21 for Fujifilm from $109 to $149 on January 11th. Has anyone gotten and used the 21 version and do you think the enhanced and additional features of the new version is worth making the upgrade now to avoid the price increase?

I have tried a trial version of 21 and I don’t think it’s worth it. Basically you get Dehaze plus some usability improvements. In general I am becoming pretty disappointed with the development speed of C1 over the last versions and have decided to learn darktable. It’s not easy to use but it seems there is a lot of power (more than C1)

 

[toktik]

Phase One sent me a message saying that they're going to update the upgrade price of Capture One 21 for Fujifilm from $109 to $149 on January 11th. Has anyone gotten and used the 21 version and do you think the enhanced and additional features of the new version is worth making the upgrade now to avoid the price increase?

I have tried a trial version of 21 and I don’t think it’s worth it. Basically you get Dehaze plus some usability improvements. In general I am becoming pretty disappointed with the development speed of C1 over the last versions and have decided to learn darktable. It’s not easy to use but it seems there is a lot of power (more than C1)

I'm doing the same. I recently installed the latest version of darktable on both a Linux system and a Windows 10 system. In addition to learning the program, I want to evaluate how well it works on each platform. I don't find the program to be intuitive, but I think it's worth trying darktable to see if it meet my needs.

 

[maxxxx]

Phase One sent me a message saying that they're going to update the upgrade price of Capture One 21 for Fujifilm from $109 to $149 on January 11th. Has anyone gotten and used the 21 version and do you think the enhanced and additional features of the new version is worth making the upgrade now to avoid the price increase?

I have tried a trial version of 21 and I don’t think it’s worth it. Basically you get Dehaze plus some usability improvements. In general I am becoming pretty disappointed with the development speed of C1 over the last versions and have decided to learn darktable. It’s not easy to use but it seems there is a lot of power (more than C1)

I'm doing the same. I recently installed the latest version of darktable on both a Linux system and a Windows 10 system. In addition to learning the program, I want to evaluate how well it works on each platform. I don't find the program to be intuitive, but I think it's worth trying darktable to see if it meet my needs.

When I am frustrated with darktable I always remind myself that I didn’t like C1 at first too and it took me years to really know what sliders were work for me and which don’t. Learning a software takes times.

 

[Truman Prevatt]

Phase One sent me a message saying that they're going to update the upgrade price of Capture One 21 for Fujifilm from $109 to $149 on January 11th. Has anyone gotten and used the 21 version and do you think the enhanced and additional features of the new version is worth making the upgrade now to avoid the price increase?

It's 40 bucks. You can spend 40 bucks on in a long day out taking pictures on lunch and dinner. :-D You won't have to belly up again for a couple years. I have version 21 since I tend to keep up to date on S/W releases for a lot of reasons, bug fixes, security patches, etc., along with new features. Capture One 21 will also support the new Apple architecture natively which is a performance improvement with an update this year.

C1, Lightroom, etc. are all mature products and as such just like cameras, most improvements are going to be incremental. I am also of the mind why spend 500 to a thousand bucks or more on a new lens, 1500 to 2 K on a camera and cripple the whole process by "cheaping out" on the processing S/W.

That's my view for what it is worth.

 

[PeterWallace]

Agreed, one if the most highly over priced products in recent history...

 

[Homo erectus]

I got that email too. They've raised their upgrade pricing several times over the last few years. It used to be pretty reasonable but now it's getting unreasonable.

This wouldn't be so bad except that once a new version comes out the old version may as well not even exist as far as PhaseOne is concerned. So older versions of the software inevitably stop working as drivers and operating systems are updated. It usually takes two or three years.

So, after years of using C1 (I started with a trial of 8 and bought 9 when if came out) I'm probably not going to buy any more new versions. I plan to continue using C1 20 until I can't and in the mean time I'm looking at the alternatives so I can be ready on the fateful day that some unrelated software or security update breaks my trusty C1 20 install.

Right now I am leaning toward Silkypix DS Pro 10. I already own it and other than being slower than C1 it's got most of the tools I need and the output is good. Upgrade pricing is inexpensive and there are frequent sales.

I'm a big user of opensource software in general and I've spent an embarrassing amount of time reading manuals, watching tutorials, and playing with both Darktable and Rawtherapee and I'm very sad to say that for me, neither of them are good enough.

I have a license of the Creative Cloud through work that I can use at home but, man, LR and Bridge both run terribly on my computer (Photoshop and InDesign run great though). But I am not a fan of Adobe's way of doing things.

Maybe things will change before C1 20 stops working though. Fingers crossed.

 

[maxxxx]

Phase One sent me a message saying that they're going to update the upgrade price of Capture One 21 for Fujifilm from $109 to $149 on January 11th. Has anyone gotten and used the 21 version and do you think the enhanced and additional features of the new version is worth making the upgrade now to avoid the price increase?

It's 40 bucks. You can spend 40 bucks on in a long day out taking pictures on lunch and dinner. :-D You won't have to belly up again for a couple years. I have version 21 since I tend to keep up to date on S/W releases for a lot of reasons, bug fixes, security patches, etc., along with new features. Capture One 21 will also support the new Apple architecture natively which is a performance improvement with an update this year.

C1, Lightroom, etc. are all mature products and as such just like cameras, most improvements are going to be incremental. I am also of the mind why spend 500 to a thousand bucks or more on a new lens, 1500 to 2 K on a camera and cripple the whole process by "cheaping out" on the processing S/W.

That's my view for what it is worth.

It’s not about the money and “cheaping out”. I just find the C1 development speed very slow compared to other software although it doesn’t help that it’s very expensive compared to the competition. There was a time when C1 was highly competitive but I don’t feel that’s true anymore.

 

[Scriv]

I have the full version of 20 and received the same email. Fwiw they offer deep discounts every year on black Friday. I recently upgraded Pro 11 to Pro 20 for $70, and come black Friday 2022 I'll likely have the same offer to upgrade to Pro 22. I dont feel like the Pro 21 version offers enough new features.

 

[Truman Prevatt]

Phase One sent me a message saying that they're going to update the upgrade price of Capture One 21 for Fujifilm from $109 to $149 on January 11th. Has anyone gotten and used the 21 version and do you think the enhanced and additional features of the new version is worth making the upgrade now to avoid the price increase?

It's 40 bucks. You can spend 40 bucks on in a long day out taking pictures on lunch and dinner. :-D You won't have to belly up again for a couple years. I have version 21 since I tend to keep up to date on S/W releases for a lot of reasons, bug fixes, security patches, etc., along with new features. Capture One 21 will also support the new Apple architecture natively which is a performance improvement with an update this year.

C1, Lightroom, etc. are all mature products and as such just like cameras, most improvements are going to be incremental. I am also of the mind why spend 500 to a thousand bucks or more on a new lens, 1500 to 2 K on a camera and cripple the whole process by "cheaping out" on the processing S/W.

That's my view for what it is worth.

It’s not about the money and “cheaping out”. I just find the C1 development speed very slow compared to other software although it doesn’t help that it’s very expensive compared to the competition. There was a time when C1 was highly competitive but I don’t feel that’s true anymore.

That's fine. But in reality C1 has always been a pain in the butt to master. The GUI is gotten a lot better. C1 is not my favorite raw post processing S/W, DXO is but DXO doesn't and won't process XTrans. So if I want to use Fuji - DXO is not an option. Every package I have looked at is limited in some respects. Iridient Developer (which I own and use) is a raw converter - a good raw converter maybe the best for XTrans. However, it can't correct geometric distortion - C1 can. Affinity is a cracker jack editor and I use it also but it's raw converter for XTrans is marginal - not just my opinion as I asked on this very forum and got that opinion. But I use Affinity for some editing functions.

The good news about C1, is I can work in C1, use Iridient Developer if I want and it is saved by back to my C1 session. I can use Affinity for editing out a person, rock or whatever and save back to my C1 session and then I can use Silver Efex to covert to B&W and then save back to my C1 session. So C1 is not only very capable in its own right but it also allows me to bring to bear the capabilities of multiple packages on a given image.

It may be just me but I find it a bit interesting with someone spending thousands of bucks on cameras and lenses and then complaining about the cost of processing S/W. But that me just me. It's your money - send it the way you want.

 

[McWoodley]

If they had added stacking for focus, exposure, or iso bracketing I would pay for the upgrade. Just not enough changes to warrant an upgrade from 20 to 21 right now. Also why I don’t buy a subscription based license. Typically I’m a slow adopter to software upgrades unless there is something of real value or improvement. I fine most software upgrades across most market segments are very incremental.

 

[Tim van der Leeuw]

Affinity RAW engine marginal?



Well it's very limited in tweaks you get in their RAW development mode but last week I found a new appreciation for the quality of actual RAW conversion they do with Fuji RAW files.



I will write a separate post about this once I found a good place to host one of my RAW files for others to download, but I have a shot of New Years fireworks that was absolutely butchered by Apple's RAW engine. (the out of camera jpeg looked great but needed some cropping and straightening, and perhaps a few other tweaks to highlights and shadows).



Well I thought to myself, RawTherapee has an excellent reputation, it should have no problem with this file!
Wrong, it butchered my RAW file as badly as Apple's engine did, no matter which of demosaicing options I chose and what lens corrections I applied.



So I opened the file in Affinity and... Well, it came out fine, full of all the fine detail that was there in the out of camera jpeg that the other RAW converters couldn't manage, none of the horrible artefacts that were all over the images produced by RawTherapee or Apple!



So I now have a much higher regard for the RAW engine in Affinity Photo, I just wish it was a better RAW editor overall.
But it could be a very useful tool to convert my RAW files to TIFF and then import those into DxO (which is also a favourite of mine).

 

[michaeladawson]

Just one man's opinion, but Thom Hogan ran an article on Capture One pricing today.

Thom Hogan's Opinion on Capture One Pricing

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Mike Dawson

 

[rponiarski]

I was looking at it, but I saw that on Windows you need version 8 or higher, Windows 10 recommended. Me, I have a Windows 7 laptop that works fine and don't want to go through the headache of an OS upgrade as well. Until I can't use it anymore, I think I'll stick to version 20...

 

[Chris Dubea]

Just one man's opinion, but Thom Hogan ran an article on Capture One pricing today.

Thom Hogan's Opinion on Capture One Pricing

Not a huge Thom Hogan fan, but this is on the spot.

 

[Spazmaster]

I was looking at it, but I saw that on Windows you need version 8 or higher, Windows 10 recommended. Me, I have a Windows 7 laptop that works fine and don't want to go through the headache of an OS upgrade as well. Until I can't use it anymore, I think I'll stick to version 20...

 

[sluggy_warrior]

It’s not about the money and “cheaping out”. I just find the C1 development speed very slow compared to other software although it doesn’t help that it’s very expensive compared to the competition. There was a time when C1 was highly competitive but I don’t feel that’s true anymore.

Yeah, I get excited looking at the change log of every releases:

Releases · darktable-org/darktable

darktable is an open source photography workflow application and raw developer - darktable-org/darktable

github.com

or, check the commit log for daily details, some are just bug fixes or translation updates, but to appreciate the work and effort of volunteers:

Commits · darktable-org/darktable

darktable is an open source photography workflow application and raw developer - Commits · darktable-org/darktable

github.com

The recent versions have been switching slowly to scene-referred workflow, making it super easy and simple for beginners:

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darktable-org.github.io

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avidandrew.com

 

[maxxxx]

The recent versions have been switching slowly to scene-referred workflow, making it super easy and simple for beginners:

i wouldn’t go that far. I am struggling mightily with it. It may be the habits I have developed with C1

 

[Tim van der Leeuw]

Not only is the price of upgrade going to increase, the price of the "Fuji-only" version itself is also going up from $129 to $199 (same for the Nikon and Sony - only versions).

That price puts it well out of reach of my consideration as a hobby-shooter: for about $100-$130 I can consider. For about $200, sorry but I get more value out of my money spending that on one of the other RAW conversion tools such as ACDSee or Exposure.

My source: https://petapixel.com/2021/01/07/ca...-increasing-the-price-of-select-plans-report/

 

[Sjak]

It's 40 bucks. You can spend 40 bucks on in a long day out taking pictures on lunch and dinner. :-D

It's not 40, it's 109 or 149 that someone in the US would pay. But C1 is free to set its pricing as it likes, although it goes all over the place.

An actual objection that I have: The email from C1 is made in a foreign currency (US$) instead of my own and then they mention the pricing may vary according to location, and that we should look on the site, which is also not exactly cleae. NB - C1 knows my location, and knows in which currency it invoiced me before. I'm sorry, but that is really lazy from C1

The site itself is still sloppy re. pricing and what you exactly get (but tbh it has always been a mess, in fact, it used to be much worse, with some prices mentiond incl VAT and other prices excl. VAT, etc)

(I won't even go into the "logic" of a EU-based company making an offer to EU-customers in some third-country-currency )

OK that was my ranting LOL

You won't have to belly up again for a couple years. I have version 21 since I tend to keep up to date on S/W releases for a lot of reasons, bug fixes, security patches, etc., along with new features. Capture One 21 will also support the new Apple architecture natively which is a performance improvement with an update this year.

I have no objection against paying for software, I use a lot of paid packages, but I only pay when I think the value&funtionality offered is worth the price.

For C1, I decide for every new release if the upgrades are worth it to me. For 12 and 20, the answer, for me, was yes, the upgrades were worth it to me. This time, I skip; C1 20 provides more than enough for me, and potential missing items are also not provided in v21, and I don't see any added value in the new features. However, this decision was made moe than a month ago, and is 100% unrelated to

Of course, it's totally fine with me that v21 is released, and others may be completely happy with it, or may consider the upgrades wortwhile.

C1, Lightroom, etc. are all mature products and as such just like cameras, most improvements are going to be incremental. I am also of the mind why spend 500 to a thousand bucks or more on a new lens, 1500 to 2 K on a camera and cripple the whole process by "cheaping out" on the processing S/W.

C1 20 is not crippling the process at all. Also, I don't consider the price of the full license of C1 20 "cheaping out" at all.

Or by taking your analogy: Would you buy a new lens, just because your favourite lens manufacturer released one? Would you feel like cheaping out or crippling the process by not buying it? Or would you look at what the lens can offer you? Myself, when I buy a camera (usually used) I intend to use it for about 5 years, and lenses often longer (or resell them)