Any Digital Back Users?

May I add a few informations to this thread (at least a pro discussion!). Most studio pros today use multishot backs. It means backs that can shoot 4 or 16 shots of the same subjects, moving slightly the back so that in the end no CCD element has to interpolate anything. This process, good only for still life of course, brings an enormous latitude, with minute tonal changes and no noise. Nothing like this can be brought ourdoors. If you enlarge the images, film from MF will still be superior in 70x100 cm prints, but nobody realy prints this size: mosto of the work goes to press, where you have the advantage that the digital image has no grain to interfere with the screening process. There is also another difference: nobody can grant that film is absolutely flat (apart the 220 back of the Contax 645) while the CCD never moves. At the moment there is a weak point in the process: that MF lenses were never meant to project their image on tiny CCDs, so the very limit is the resolution of Zeiss or Mamiya lenses. I have seen tests made with view cameras (which product pros do not like, because they are slower) and the lenses Rodenstock has computed for digital work, and they are really impressive.

Still I think MF film is still superior for outdoor scenery which is going to end as fine art print. It will take another generation of sensors (and lenses) to get to that point. But had I to shoot wildlife, I would go straight to the Nikon D1x.

Another couple of points. I don't think digital backs are expensive. They come with a lot of software (the image must be perfect BEFORE becoming a TIFF) and all that work is sold with a limited number of backs; and the distributor must be able to support an unbilievable service (every minute out of service, a digital back loses money). We don't ask the same to the people who sell us G2s or Coolipixes.

A last point. The Philips sensor of the next Contax is a relative of the CCDs used in the present generation of digital backs, but it is not the same product. You will never ask a digital back to shoot at ISO 400 or 800, and you will never ask it to shoot sequences. So Philips may use the same layout, but it is a different product.

By the way, Kodak announced, togther with the 16MP back, a 5,5MP sensor good for general photography (SRLs and so on). Apart for the Olympus announcement many months ago, has anybody heard anything obout it?
Good 2002 to all
Fabio
 
MM:

I don't have time to read through this entire thread, so pardon me if I'm repeating something here. The Horseman Digiflex body had been available for over a year now. It has a Nikon F-mount and accepts most medium format backs, including the 16MP Kodak ProBack. This would have better quality than the upcoming Contax, and there are many more high quality lenses to choose from. http://www.horsemanusa.com/news_frame.html
what i see is that there is rapid commercial use
of high-end 35mm based digicams for 1-shot field work, and
a MUCH greater lens selection with 35mm based cameras, not
to mention ease of handling etc for 35mm based cameras---when
contax full frame sensor is finally here all these great wide angle
lenses can be fully utilized.

just think of the range of great lenses you can buy off the shelf
for a 35mm based digicam.

have you priced some MF zoom lenses? the price of a hassie zoom
will buy the new contax digicam, and then some.

18 months ago i sold all my MF stuff to go digital, and i will go
back to MF based digital if the image quality is worth it.

i WOULD buy the kodak proback if it really was a superior 1shot
field camera---and i would spend the $---IF it was at least
1.5 times as good as D1x.

kodak, sell me please. sell me with image samples. i have the $. i
just won't jump through any hoops to earn the "privilege" to buy it.

i suspect that contax full-frame digital will give kodak proback a
run for it's money.
Jean-Paul
Does anyone have the time/space/bandwidth to upload a sample image
from a Megavision or Kodak back? I'm very interested in possibly
picking one up second hand when the newer models arrive and want to
know what to expect.

I've contected reps - but unless you are an already established,
high-end studio - it's difficult to get anywhere with them,
especially Kodak who seem more interested in selling their consumer
lever P&S digitals.

Thanks,
Joe H.
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Regards,
Joe H.
 
Its usually forums for the photographers that use the system they have.

Mine is run by Mega Vision users, not sure if anyone else can join in and not sure that any of the questions would make sense.
I would guess you don't see many pro digital back posts due to we
have our own forums for users of the back and don't see to many
questions asked on this forum.
Could you tell us where these forums are? I check out PEI regularly
and the new Yahoo "Hi-end Capture" group, and both of them seem
quite dead. Sometimes weeks go by without a post. If there is
somewher else that is an active informtion source, I would really
like to know about it. Thanks----JimJ
 
do you really want to download a 36 meg file or a 128 meg file from a scan back?
Does anyone have the time/space/bandwidth to upload a sample image
from a Megavision or Kodak back? I'm very interested in possibly
picking one up second hand when the newer models arrive and want to
know what to expect.

I've contected reps - but unless you are an already established,
high-end studio - it's difficult to get anywhere with them,
especially Kodak who seem more interested in selling their consumer
lever P&S digitals.

Thanks,
Joe H.
--
Regards,
Joe H.
 

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