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Am I the only one that can see the noise?
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Looks good to me. Hey what do you want from a $999 camera. It blows anything else away currently on the market.
Stevo.
Stevo.
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Phil Askey
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Yup... top one is ISO 120
I did notice noise in these samples from Phils review BUT it's worth pointing out that this is a pre-production unit. This does not bother me nearly as much as that funky Red-orange clipping. That would be completely unacceptable and I easily noticed it in the samples here. BUT, Imaging-Resources review notes how little noise there is and how the color is perfect. They make no mention of reviewing a pre-production unit. So, which to believe? I guess we will need ot wait for Phils update with a production unit or wait for user reviews.
Lance49911
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Oh My!!! The noise level is even worse at 400% and 800%.
Why don't you take a magnifying lens outside and look at the paint job on your 100,000 dollar car..........can that be imperfections in the paint?????
Now stack some magnifying lenses and look again.
By the way, where did you by the 32x24 inch printer that you use to print at this size your viewing at?
Why don't you take a magnifying lens outside and look at the paint job on your 100,000 dollar car..........can that be imperfections in the paint?????
Now stack some magnifying lenses and look again.
By the way, where did you by the 32x24 inch printer that you use to print at this size your viewing at?
Larry G43983
Leading Member
Heyyyyyyy, sodd the noise, wot you tring to do, freeze my PC????? LGOn the roof of the tunnel (underneath the taxi sign -- I can
forgive the blooming)
Here, it's all over the background
The sky looks really bad in this sample
Am I the only one to notice this?
Thanks for informing me. These weren't enlarged so I don't see your point.
Why? I'm not looking at these samples with a magnifying glass.
In that case, why bother with a 5mp camera?
My point is I don't think noise levels are that impressive compared to other cameras in the same price range.
Andreas P.
Veteran Member
Yes,
There is noise. But as already mentioned the reviewed F707 is a beta version and it already has a noise level which is lower than that of the
direct competitor Minolta D7.
I remember when i was looking to the D7 samples. There was always an
odd feeling. Not with the Sony. (Okay this is very subjective)
So far i like what i have seen (with exception of the flower macros) from the F707V.
BTW: I hope the "F" in F707 doesn't mean fool
Regards,
Andreas
There is noise. But as already mentioned the reviewed F707 is a beta version and it already has a noise level which is lower than that of the
direct competitor Minolta D7.
I remember when i was looking to the D7 samples. There was always an
odd feeling. Not with the Sony. (Okay this is very subjective)
So far i like what i have seen (with exception of the flower macros) from the F707V.
BTW: I hope the "F" in F707 doesn't mean fool
Regards,
Andreas
Brian51832
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Yes, there is noise. It is better than the 4MP cameras out there and the 5MP D7, but still not up to the quality of the higher-end digicams.
IMO the noise will not be reduced in the production model. Sony has only a certain amount to work with using a 2/3" CCD.
People should not take this as a flame of Sony or themselves. It's just a fact - there is noise in the pictures posted.
IMO the noise will not be reduced in the production model. Sony has only a certain amount to work with using a 2/3" CCD.
People should not take this as a flame of Sony or themselves. It's just a fact - there is noise in the pictures posted.
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Ulysses
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Exactly. We're always talking about relative degrees here.
For example, I didn't like the initial D1X images. I thought they were too noisy. I see noise in G2 samples. I see noise, but tolerate it in the D30 images. ;-)
I think that I'll live with what the Clear Color NR is doing... easily. As I posted in another thread, it is almost shocking how different the noise levels are from previous Cyber-shots. When you think about it, the technology behind how this is done is amazing.
Yeah... pollen.
For example, I didn't like the initial D1X images. I thought they were too noisy. I see noise in G2 samples. I see noise, but tolerate it in the D30 images. ;-)
I think that I'll live with what the Clear Color NR is doing... easily. As I posted in another thread, it is almost shocking how different the noise levels are from previous Cyber-shots. When you think about it, the technology behind how this is done is amazing.
Yes, my feeling and thought exactly. The DiM-7 images just rubbed me the wrong way. But I am sure the same can be said by others about the Dark Angel. This is just personal preference at this level of play.
Maybe there was pollen on the lens that morning.
Yeah... pollen.
Homer40784
Senior Member
Yes there is noise.....why, did somebody say there was none?
I don't understand the point?
BTW,
with a 1 Ghz machine running Opera 5 over a cable modem, it still took 2 minutes and 10 seconds to DL.
Homer
I don't understand the point?
BTW,
with a 1 Ghz machine running Opera 5 over a cable modem, it still took 2 minutes and 10 seconds to DL.
Homer
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Ulysses
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In every product cycle we've seen from Sony, where pre-pro models were tested, the final release was always a bit cleaner. I would expect the same here.
Is there noise? As I've mentioned, every camera has it: all Cyber-shots, all Nikons, all Canons. They follow different patterns and intensity. The Dark Angel has noise, too. But while we are comparing the noise from this camera to the G2 and the D1X, let's also compare it to what cameras came before it, even the recent ones. It's doing a very, very good job. The reviews testify the same thing. I believe their reviews, and I also see with my eyes that we have great improvements here.
This is not a D1X or even a D30. But for its class, it's one of the top leaders without a doubt. The Imaging Resource is even more generous in its comments.
Is there noise? As I've mentioned, every camera has it: all Cyber-shots, all Nikons, all Canons. They follow different patterns and intensity. The Dark Angel has noise, too. But while we are comparing the noise from this camera to the G2 and the D1X, let's also compare it to what cameras came before it, even the recent ones. It's doing a very, very good job. The reviews testify the same thing. I believe their reviews, and I also see with my eyes that we have great improvements here.
This is not a D1X or even a D30. But for its class, it's one of the top leaders without a doubt. The Imaging Resource is even more generous in its comments.
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Ulysses
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Noise has become the banner of late. Is anyone reducing or printing these images, too? If we make the comparisons, we also need to compare not only to high-end but also the older cameras that came before.
Wow!! That's too long. I know that Phil's server here is lagged due to heavy traffic. But I wonder if your modem is also? I'm going to be going to cable modem within the next couple of months. Generally speaking, how do you like it for downloading stuff from sites such as this? I sent a friend a 1.2MB file, and he was able to get it in under six seconds!!
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Phil Askey
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Something wrong with your modem / ISP then... I'm running 2 mbit/s ADSL here and am getting > 90 KB/sec (900 kbit/sec) from our server (and I'm on the other side of the Atlantic from it).
I'm sorry Phil, but could you be more expansive?
Did you not notice the noise?
Does it concern you?
Is this more than you whould have expected from this camera?
Is this something that may change in production?
I may be in the minority but I do not comprehend the epochal proportions to which digital noise has been raised. (no offense meant dr)
After taking part in some experiments with Pondria I fail to see that with cameras that use combinations of red green yellow or blue to create white, black and grey, that we will ever be totally rid of the problem.
The only cameras that I have seen that significantly reduce this anomaly are ridiculously expensive.
Did you not notice the noise?
Does it concern you?
Is this more than you whould have expected from this camera?
Is this something that may change in production?
I may be in the minority but I do not comprehend the epochal proportions to which digital noise has been raised. (no offense meant dr)
After taking part in some experiments with Pondria I fail to see that with cameras that use combinations of red green yellow or blue to create white, black and grey, that we will ever be totally rid of the problem.
The only cameras that I have seen that significantly reduce this anomaly are ridiculously expensive.
Although this is a bit off topic, the general web seems to be stressed lately and your site I find sometimes slow. Sometimes changing pages can be brutal but I think it's not the site itself.
Today is pretty snappy. I have a sattellite downlink that averages 400Kb and can hit 800Kb on a binary download. That page took me about 10 seconds.
Today is pretty snappy. I have a sattellite downlink that averages 400Kb and can hit 800Kb on a binary download. That page took me about 10 seconds.
Larry G43983
Leading Member
Some people really have a thing about noise. I had some skies scanned that had been taken on Velvia film and they were simply too grainy to use with pictures taken on a digital camera, so digital is already finer than film. Even with inkjet pictures there is a certain amount of graininess caused by the inkjet process. Grain was always the last resort of the judge when he had nothing else to critisise, and I feel noise has taken over this mantle as if to prove photographers will always be photographers!
Scotty
Leading Member
Couldn't agree more, Homer. And maybe conventional film as well? I just printed 8.5x11's on my Epson 870 of samples from both the F707 and D7. Maybe it's just me, but I thought they both looked great, printed at that size anyway.
I suppose it depends on how you're going to use or view your photos. For my purposes, I mostly print the "keepers". And I'm not seeing more "noise" now with the D7, F707, or E10 than I'm used to with conventional film. Problem solved, as far as I'm concerned. Sure, if I get out a magnifying glass I could probably pick a few nits (whatever those are), but I don't generally do that.
So I guess I'm saying that for my uses and needs anyway, the "noise issue" isn't. An issue, that is.
Just my opinion. You're mileage may vary.
Cubfan
Leading Member
are rewards given out to people who find noise in images these days?
On the roof of the tunnel (underneath the taxi sign -- I can
forgive the blooming)
Here, it's all over the background
The sky looks really bad in this sample
Am I the only one to notice this?
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