Adobe Photoshop v8.0 CS (RAW Processing)

[LovCom]

Anyone out there use Adobe P/S v8.0 CS?

I understand it works directly with 10D RAW files...is that so?

When you open a 10D RAW from this product, will it dumb-down the quality of the pic in terms of color or general quality?

Is it worth the $550 street price?

Please share with us your experiences using this product with 10D RAW images.

Before I buy, what should I know first? What expectation should we have when using this product?

Does it force you to convert your 10D RAW to a photoshop file?

Any information you can share would be more then appreciated.

Thanks,
Dan

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[jjl]

Anyone out there use Adobe P/S v8.0 CS?

Yes I have it, so do lots of people.

I understand it works directly with 10D RAW files...is that so?

Yes, I find it indespensible. Though I think capture one has similar features.

When you open a 10D RAW from this product, will it dumb-down the
quality of the pic in terms of color or general quality?

No. You can perform some manipulations to the histogram in a "raw dialog" before the image is actually opened in PS. If you're concerned, you can save the images as 16-bit/channel (they are 12-bit per channel out of the camera)

Is it worth the $550 street price?

Depends what you want to do. Another solution might be to go with capture one, if all you want to do is raw conversion & don't need the other features of photoshop

Please share with us your experiences using this product with 10D
RAW images.

Before I buy, what should I know first? What expectation should we
have when using this product?

Does it force you to convert your 10D RAW to a photoshop file?

No

Any information you can share would be more then appreciated.

Thanks,
Dan

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[LovCom]

jjl,

A big thanks!!!

Anyone out there use Adobe P/S v8.0 CS?

Yes I have it, so do lots of people.

I understand it works directly with 10D RAW files...is that so?

Yes, I find it indespensible. Though I think capture one has
similar features.

When you open a 10D RAW from this product, will it dumb-down the
quality of the pic in terms of color or general quality?

No. You can perform some manipulations to the histogram in a "raw
dialog" before the image is actually opened in PS. If you're
concerned, you can save the images as 16-bit/channel (they are
12-bit per channel out of the camera)

Is it worth the $550 street price?

Depends what you want to do. Another solution might be to go with
capture one, if all you want to do is raw conversion & don't need
the other features of photoshop

Please share with us your experiences using this product with 10D
RAW images.

Before I buy, what should I know first? What expectation should we
have when using this product?

Does it force you to convert your 10D RAW to a photoshop file?

No

Any information you can share would be more then appreciated.

Thanks,
Dan

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[blankj]

I've got both PS-CS and C1-LE. I kind of lean towards C1 for RAW processing but the jury is still out. On the other hand, PS-CS is indispensable for everything beyond RAW processing. You can upgrade from PS Elements for something like $299. If I were you I would get PS-CS, play with its RAW stuff for a while, then download the free trial version of C1-LE and decide from there.

Oh, and you can save from .CRW into PS RAW (whatever that is), photoshop psd or pdd or tif or pdf. Or you can switch to 8-bits and save in jpg, or others.

Hope this is helpful.

-John

Anyone out there use Adobe P/S v8.0 CS?

I understand it works directly with 10D RAW files...is that so?

When you open a 10D RAW from this product, will it dumb-down the
quality of the pic in terms of color or general quality?

Is it worth the $550 street price?

Please share with us your experiences using this product with 10D
RAW images.

Before I buy, what should I know first? What expectation should we
have when using this product?

Does it force you to convert your 10D RAW to a photoshop file?

Any information you can share would be more then appreciated.

Thanks,
Dan

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LovCom

 

[KenS2]

Anyone out there use Adobe P/S v8.0 CS?

Yes I have it, so do lots of people.

I understand it works directly with 10D RAW files...is that so?

Yes, I find it indespensible. Though I think capture one has
similar features.

When you open a 10D RAW from this product, will it dumb-down the
quality of the pic in terms of color or general quality?

No. You can perform some manipulations to the histogram in a "raw
dialog" before the image is actually opened in PS. If you're
concerned, you can save the images as 16-bit/channel (they are
12-bit per channel out of the camera)

Is it worth the $550 street price?

Depends what you want to do. Another solution might be to go with
capture one, if all you want to do is raw conversion & don't need
the other features of photoshop

Please share with us your experiences using this product with 10D
RAW images.

Before I buy, what should I know first? What expectation should we
have when using this product?

Does it force you to convert your 10D RAW to a photoshop file?

No

It does not save the file back into CRW format. You can save it in 16-bit Photoshop, Cineon, PNG, & TIFF without having to really "dumb down" your photo. I personally think it's a great piece of software. You can change exposure, WB, Brightness, tint, etc, etc...

Any information you can share would be more then appreciated.

Thanks,
Dan

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[jjl]

Does it force you to convert your 10D RAW to a photoshop file?

No

It does not save the file back into CRW format. You can save it in
16-bit Photoshop, Cineon, PNG, & TIFF without having to really
"dumb down" your photo. I personally think it's a great piece of
software. You can change exposure, WB, Brightness, tint, etc,
etc...

Good point... though it does save whatever settings/adjustments you've made to the various raw files in a "sidecar file" (one per each RAW image). In general PS-CS has made me into a 100% RAW convert. I can't believe I used to shoot in .jpg just months ago... the horror!

 

[Jeff Peterman]

If you're just getting it for the RAW processing, don't. Get something simpler, like PS Elements and buy Capture One LE: that will save you a lot of money, and CE LE is better for RAW processing (with batch options) than is PC CS. For most people, PS Elements, plus the book and additional tools in The Hidden Power of Photoshop Elements, from Richard Lynch, will do eveything they would need in PS CS.

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Any insults, implied anger, bad grammar and bad spelling, are entirely unintentionalal. Sorry.

 

[Richard Mauro]

You can got to eBay, but PS ver. 4.0 for about $100 or less (if lucky) and then buy the PS CS upgrade for $140 at buy.com and have PS CS full for under $250. Ask me about details if necessary.

Oh, and you can save from .CRW into PS RAW (whatever that is),
photoshop psd or pdd or tif or pdf. Or you can switch to 8-bits
and save in jpg, or others.

Hope this is helpful.

-John

Anyone out there use Adobe P/S v8.0 CS?

I understand it works directly with 10D RAW files...is that so?

When you open a 10D RAW from this product, will it dumb-down the
quality of the pic in terms of color or general quality?

Is it worth the $550 street price?

Please share with us your experiences using this product with 10D
RAW images.

Before I buy, what should I know first? What expectation should we
have when using this product?

Does it force you to convert your 10D RAW to a photoshop file?

Any information you can share would be more then appreciated.

Thanks,
Dan

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LovCom

 

[John Sheehy]

If you're just getting it for the RAW processing, don't. Get
something simpler, like PS Elements and buy Capture One LE: that
will save you a lot of money,

Elements is only 8-bit, though, and any level changes you make to the image in it will be at least slightly destructive.
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John

 

[Ben_Egbert]

Maybe because PSCS has such a steep learning curve. But if I convert my RAW in CS, it loses the EXIF data, BB does not. Also I think BB is easier to use to download. I can pop my card into the card reader open BB, highlight all files and tell it to move to my hard drive all at once. That leaves an empty card, ready to use.

Then I open the files in BB and delete any bad files before converting. Some I want to save, but are not worth converting. I can view the files in full size prior to making the conversion decison.

When converting to RAW from BB, I can add noise reduction, fiddle with WB and the historgram. Or just do a straight conversion. The jury is out if CS does a better historgram correction, so far I do better with BB.

I use CS for just about everything else. Last night I tried a RAW conversion in CS and it brought the file in at a different resolution. What? I think it changed the DPI. Probably hit a hot key.

I retire soon, and expect to spend a few years learning what must be the most complex computer program known. I am a CAD CAM user, and have done C-programming. CS makes them look easy. But I can see the power, and think it will be a good thing to learn.

Ben

 

[LovCom]

But Jeff,

I was told PS Elements cannot work directly with RAW.

Isn't this true?

The whole point about CS is that it will open a native 10D RAW image.

Elements cannot, so I've been told...

What say you?

Dan

If you're just getting it for the RAW processing, don't. Get
something simpler, like PS Elements and buy Capture One LE: that
will save you a lot of money, and CE LE is better for RAW
processing (with batch options) than is PC CS. For most people, PS
Elements, plus the book and additional tools in The Hidden Power of
Photoshop Elements, from Richard Lynch, will do eveything they
would need in PS CS.

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Jeff Peterman
Any insults, implied anger, bad grammar and bad spelling, are
entirely unintentionalal. Sorry.

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LovCom

 

[Don Schultz43010]

Hi LovCom:

I see by your profile that you have a 28-200 IS lens, and was curious as to where you got it , or was this a typo?
Don.

I was told PS Elements cannot work directly with RAW.

Isn't this true?

The whole point about CS is that it will open a native 10D RAW image.

Elements cannot, so I've been told...

What say you?

Dan

If you're just getting it for the RAW processing, don't. Get
something simpler, like PS Elements and buy Capture One LE: that
will save you a lot of money, and CE LE is better for RAW
processing (with batch options) than is PC CS. For most people, PS
Elements, plus the book and additional tools in The Hidden Power of
Photoshop Elements, from Richard Lynch, will do eveything they
would need in PS CS.

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Jeff Peterman
Any insults, implied anger, bad grammar and bad spelling, are
entirely unintentionalal. Sorry.

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LovCom

 

[LovCom]

Sorry was typo...these darned fingers too often do their own thing!

Canon 28-135 IS

Dan

I was told PS Elements cannot work directly with RAW.

Isn't this true?

The whole point about CS is that it will open a native 10D RAW image.

Elements cannot, so I've been told...

What say you?

Dan

If you're just getting it for the RAW processing, don't. Get
something simpler, like PS Elements and buy Capture One LE: that
will save you a lot of money, and CE LE is better for RAW
processing (with batch options) than is PC CS. For most people, PS
Elements, plus the book and additional tools in The Hidden Power of
Photoshop Elements, from Richard Lynch, will do eveything they
would need in PS CS.

--
Jeff Peterman
Any insults, implied anger, bad grammar and bad spelling, are
entirely unintentionalal. Sorry.

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LovCom

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LovCom

 

[Jeff Peterman]

Elements is only 8-bit, though, and any level changes you make to
the image in it will be at least slightly destructive.

Yes, but you should make such adjustments in Capture One, or Breeze Browser, before converting the file to 8-bit.
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Jeff Peterman

Any insults, implied anger, bad grammar and bad spelling, are entirely unintentionalal. Sorry.

 

[Jeff Peterman]

But Jeff, I was told PS Elements cannot work directly with RAW.

Isn't this true?

The whole point about CS is that it will open a native 10D RAW image.

Elements cannot, so I've been told...

What say you?

Both true, but that's why you get Capture One LE, which is better for handling RAW files than PS CS anyway.

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Jeff Peterman

Any insults, implied anger, bad grammar and bad spelling, are entirely unintentionalal. Sorry.

 

[John Lehmkuhl]

The RAW converter in PS CS is SO MUCH BETTER than RAW conversions with ACR 1.0 that I can't even open files in Photoshop 7 anymore. The colors are off and the detail that ACR 2.0 resolves is so superior to V1.0 that it truly is worth it's weight in gold - for me at least.

There are many many other wonderful additions to PS CS that make it the best version of Photoshop I've worked with - since v2.0 here =)

-John Lehmkuhl

PS = I'm planning to post a topic to back up my position soon.
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[Wynn Aker]

It's a great product. Many have already answered your questions, in various forms, so I thought I'd throw in my 02c.

My workflow has evolved now that I have PS/CS. I only shoot RAW now, unless it's a party where the shot quality isn't of paramount importance. After copying all original shots to a backup CD or two, I have expanded the RAW preview window in the file browser so that it's large enough to really see what kind of shot each one is. I then only process the ones I want, based on the previews.

When I used C1LE or Canon File viewer, I tended to batch everything, so I had a jpeg to look at to see what was promising, then went back to fully process the ones I wanted, from the batch jpeg selections. Almost a contact sheet type of workflow, if you will. Now, I do them all in real-time, looking at each one, and deciding on-the-fly which ones I like. Saves time, and then I don't have to go back and delete the stuff I no longer need (the batched jpegs).

The PS/CS RAW converter is a great converter, but I like to break it up between the RAW utility and the Photoshop utility, by using the histrogram spread, brightness, shadows, tint and color temp in RAW, and save the saturation for the Photoshop portion ... you can view a larger image, and it seems to have better color rendition than the RAW viewer has.

Just my 2c.

wynn

Anyone out there use Adobe P/S v8.0 CS?

I understand it works directly with 10D RAW files...is that so?

When you open a 10D RAW from this product, will it dumb-down the
quality of the pic in terms of color or general quality?

Is it worth the $550 street price?

Please share with us your experiences using this product with 10D
RAW images.

Before I buy, what should I know first? What expectation should we
have when using this product?

Does it force you to convert your 10D RAW to a photoshop file?

Any information you can share would be more then appreciated.

Thanks,
Dan

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LovCom

 

[Frank Patton]

Maybe because PSCS has such a steep learning curve. But if I
convert my RAW in CS, it loses the EXIF data, BB does not. Also I
think BB is easier to use to download. I can pop my card into the
card reader open BB, highlight all files and tell it to move to my
hard drive all at once. That leaves an empty card, ready to use.

Then I open the files in BB and delete any bad files before
converting. Some I want to save, but are not worth converting. I
can view the files in full size prior to making the conversion
decison.

When converting to RAW from BB, I can add noise reduction, fiddle
with WB and the historgram. Or just do a straight conversion. The
jury is out if CS does a better historgram correction, so far I do
better with BB.

I use CS for just about everything else. Last night I tried a RAW
conversion in CS and it brought the file in at a different
resolution. What? I think it changed the DPI. Probably hit a hot
key.

I retire soon, and expect to spend a few years learning what must
be the most complex computer program known. I am a CAD CAM user,
and have done C-programming. CS makes them look easy. But I can see
the power, and think it will be a good thing to learn.

Ben

 

[Traveller]

Everyone's miles may differ...Just one person's opinion as I sit here working RAW's in CS.

It isn't worth it, the time or the trouble. Working RAW's in CS is very, very cool the first couple of times you do it....but I have tested my different work flows on virtually the same image...and for me, printing or viewing, I can't see a difference between a fine jpeg converted to a 16bit Tiff for working with it and going through the RAW process.

Of course, working fine jpeg's, it helps that you take a pretty good and well exposed image right out of the gate...but you should be trying to do that anyhow.

I respect the RAW people, I wish them well, but I am fairly sure I'm headed back to large fine Jpeg. I also just can't stand the size and storage of RAW's when I travel. (I know that there are work arounds to this, I just don't want to do them...maybe because I'm happy with my jpegs).

Best Wishes,

Traveller

 

[LovCom]

Traveller,

Correct me if I'm wrong, or anyone else for that matter, but when you shot JPG fine, the image is saved in 24 bit color and not 48, right?

I need some help here guys....I'm dying to know!

Dan

Everyone's miles may differ...Just one person's opinion as I sit
here working RAW's in CS.

It isn't worth it, the time or the trouble. Working RAW's in CS is
very, very cool the first couple of times you do it....but I have
tested my different work flows on virtually the same image...and
for me, printing or viewing, I can't see a difference between a
fine jpeg converted to a 16bit Tiff for working with it and going
through the RAW process.

Of course, working fine jpeg's, it helps that you take a pretty
good and well exposed image right out of the gate...but you should
be trying to do that anyhow.

I respect the RAW people, I wish them well, but I am fairly sure
I'm headed back to large fine Jpeg. I also just can't stand the
size and storage of RAW's when I travel. (I know that there are
work arounds to this, I just don't want to do them...maybe because
I'm happy with my jpegs).

Best Wishes,

Traveller

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It's the picture, stupid! ;-)