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Adobe MRW plugin!!!
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John Merrill #123497
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I'm a Mac user and I bought it. It's very fast and the interface is great. I haven't done much with it other than goof around. BTW Adobe makes it clear that the plugin wil be included with a future version of PS which is expected to have greatly enhanced support for 16 bit color. You can pay for it now or get it for "free" later.
John Merrill
John Merrill
keith caldwell
Leading Member
Am I just being cynical? The fact that Adobe want to charge so much for something that others are giving away tends to suggest that V8.0 may not be a big advance over V7.0 and they want the extra plugin ( which you describe as 'free' in V8.0) to act as a lure to us poor Dimage owners.
I appreciate that students can get a 'cheap' copy for $200 but speaking as someone whose investments in the stock market are continuing to plummet thanks to George W and the forthcoming war I have to say even $200 is quite a lot for a pensioner
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montespluga
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As other ressources tell, that plugin is worth the price: no frickling with colorworkspace anymore, much faster than crappy DIVU (on mac) , which has been unused by myself, as p.e. the other day, I had more than 120 shoots to work; try that with DIVU !! As batchconverting, in Photoshop once has to use the "action", better a droplet from that.
Well the jpg 2000-licence itself costs something like 34 $.....
Does someone can tell howb ig the higherbits tiffs after conversion are?? I presume that will be 12, which doesn't seems to me to be a Adobe issue, but rather a minolta.
Is that correct ??
regards, montespluga
Well the jpg 2000-licence itself costs something like 34 $.....
Does someone can tell howb ig the higherbits tiffs after conversion are?? I presume that will be 12, which doesn't seems to me to be a Adobe issue, but rather a minolta.
Is that correct ??
regards, montespluga
montespluga
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adobe says:
Space, Depth, Size — The Photoshop Camera Raw plug-in uses its built-in, camera-specific color calibrations to automatically convert from each camera’s native color space into your specified RGB working space. You can open the image as 8 or 16 bits/channel, and specify the opening pixel size.
Exposure — Calibrated in f-stops in a range from –2.0 to +4.0, for easy exposure compensation in terms familiar to the photographer.
Shadows — Control the input level to be mapped to black in the final image for deeper, richer shadows.
Brightness & Contrast — Adjust the shape of the tone curve between the black and white clipping points. Combined with the Exposure and Shadows controls, these settings give great control of image lighting from highlights to midtones to shadows.
Color Saturation — From pure monochrome to double saturation, for quick black-and-white images or more vivid color.
Sharpness, Smoothness and Moiré Filter — Hide the distracting artifacts which can be created by the digital capture process and prepare your image for effective output with these new, advanced algorithms.
Saved Settings — Store your own reusable, camera-specific external settings files.
Advanced live previews — Including easily adjustable magnification, live histogram, and pixel-by-pixel RGB value readings. Plus, the Photoshop Camera Raw plug-in enables the display of supported raw image files inside the Photoshop 7.0 file browser window, for faster selection of the images you need, when you need them.
Security — With Photoshop Camera Raw, forensic technicians gain the security of always maintaining the raw image data in their digital negatives, while simultaneously being able to enhance their images without making modifications that could be questioned in the legal world.
Compatibility — Photoshop Camera Raw supports a wide range of professional and midrange cameras, including all of the models from Nikon, Canon, Minolta, Olympus, and Fuji that are listed at the top-left corner of this page.
Supported Cameras
here I just paste the Minoltas:
• DiMAGE 5
• DiMAGE 7
• DiMAGE 7i
• DiMAGE 7Hi
N
Before and after — The original raw camera file on the left, and the same raw image after a few quick, simple corrections with the Photoshop Camera Raw plug-in.
The simple, effective slider controls, pop-up menus and familiar tools and terms of the Photoshop Camera Raw plug-in make it easy to use for any professional photog-rapher or designer. >
Space, Depth, Size — The Photoshop Camera Raw plug-in uses its built-in, camera-specific color calibrations to automatically convert from each camera’s native color space into your specified RGB working space. You can open the image as 8 or 16 bits/channel, and specify the opening pixel size.
Exposure — Calibrated in f-stops in a range from –2.0 to +4.0, for easy exposure compensation in terms familiar to the photographer.
Shadows — Control the input level to be mapped to black in the final image for deeper, richer shadows.
Brightness & Contrast — Adjust the shape of the tone curve between the black and white clipping points. Combined with the Exposure and Shadows controls, these settings give great control of image lighting from highlights to midtones to shadows.
Color Saturation — From pure monochrome to double saturation, for quick black-and-white images or more vivid color.
Sharpness, Smoothness and Moiré Filter — Hide the distracting artifacts which can be created by the digital capture process and prepare your image for effective output with these new, advanced algorithms.
Saved Settings — Store your own reusable, camera-specific external settings files.
Advanced live previews — Including easily adjustable magnification, live histogram, and pixel-by-pixel RGB value readings. Plus, the Photoshop Camera Raw plug-in enables the display of supported raw image files inside the Photoshop 7.0 file browser window, for faster selection of the images you need, when you need them.
Security — With Photoshop Camera Raw, forensic technicians gain the security of always maintaining the raw image data in their digital negatives, while simultaneously being able to enhance their images without making modifications that could be questioned in the legal world.
Compatibility — Photoshop Camera Raw supports a wide range of professional and midrange cameras, including all of the models from Nikon, Canon, Minolta, Olympus, and Fuji that are listed at the top-left corner of this page.
Supported Cameras
here I just paste the Minoltas:
• DiMAGE 5
• DiMAGE 7
• DiMAGE 7i
• DiMAGE 7Hi
N
Before and after — The original raw camera file on the left, and the same raw image after a few quick, simple corrections with the Photoshop Camera Raw plug-in.
The simple, effective slider controls, pop-up menus and familiar tools and terms of the Photoshop Camera Raw plug-in make it easy to use for any professional photog-rapher or designer. >
Robin Lucas-Evans
Active member
Wonderful. I've just dashed over to http://www.adobe.com to purchase this plug-in and guess what? Because I live in the UK, I can't buy it from the US site. Guess what else. The UK site doesn't have this plug-in for sale. Bloody marvelous.
I guess I'll just have to wait for the PS8 upgrade to arrive here in the third world.
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Robin
I guess I'll just have to wait for the PS8 upgrade to arrive here in the third world.
(Robin
MinotaMan
Leading Member
Why not use one or the other two?? Have a mac??
MinoltaMan
MinoltaMan
Wonderful. I've just dashed over to http://www.adobe.com to purchase this
plug-in and guess what? Because I live in the UK, I can't buy it
from the US site. Guess what else. The UK site doesn't have this
plug-in for sale. Bloody marvelous.
I guess I'll just have to wait for the PS8 upgrade to arrive here
in the third world.
Robin
Laird Williams
Active member
I'll be glad to. Give me until 2 or 3pm US-Eastern time.
The processing parameters for DIVU and Adobe are different...and the preview on the Adobe is much larger, so I can see what I am doing so much better that it is far easier to optimize the processing. As such, for starters, I will stick to the camera settings for everything in both apps. That way, we can get a real comparison.
I don't do any in-camera JPEGs...and even if I did - they would not be the same shots as the RAW shots - making for a bad experiment in which many variables are varied instead of just one. As such, I'll just stick to DIVU/Photoshop comparison.
-L
The processing parameters for DIVU and Adobe are different...and the preview on the Adobe is much larger, so I can see what I am doing so much better that it is far easier to optimize the processing. As such, for starters, I will stick to the camera settings for everything in both apps. That way, we can get a real comparison.
I don't do any in-camera JPEGs...and even if I did - they would not be the same shots as the RAW shots - making for a bad experiment in which many variables are varied instead of just one. As such, I'll just stick to DIVU/Photoshop comparison.
-L
montespluga
Forum Enthusiast
I wondered myself also, beeing in Europe...
they will bring it, maybe in a localised version ??
It will be 100 €, go to
http://www.adobe.com/products/photoshop/pdfs/ps_cameraraw_qanda.pdf
they will bring it, maybe in a localised version ??
It will be 100 €, go to
http://www.adobe.com/products/photoshop/pdfs/ps_cameraraw_qanda.pdf
Well_Armed
Member
Just one of us needs to buy it then e-mail copies to everyone.....
Everybody pitches in $1.
I agree with your gripe. Adobe always makes their money off professionals and the likes. They will most likely include this plug-in with all copies of photoshop 7.x.
Everybody pitches in $1.
I agree with your gripe. Adobe always makes their money off professionals and the likes. They will most likely include this plug-in with all copies of photoshop 7.x.
Brivers
Senior Member
Just keep me on the distribution and tell me where to send my dollar.
B
http://www.pbase.com/brivers
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Peter Marina
Leading Member
Pretty please Laird. PLease include an in-camera JPG in you comparisson. I'm sure it wont hurt one bit. ;-)
Peter Marina
Peter Marina
'...I sometimes try to help the humans...' Cosmo Kramer.
Peter Marina
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'...I sometimes try to help the humans...' Cosmo Kramer.
Peter Marina
Leading Member
Hi John,
any coments on the details and noise of the Adobe mrw plug-in compared to DIVU or in-camera JPG??
Peter Marina
Peter Marina
'...I sometimes try to help the humans...' Cosmo Kramer.
any coments on the details and noise of the Adobe mrw plug-in compared to DIVU or in-camera JPG??
Peter Marina
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Peter Marina
'...I sometimes try to help the humans...' Cosmo Kramer.
Fred Briggs
Senior Member
I already bought it from the UK site as per the location of the previous post - I think the link to the shop page on Adobe UK comes from the Photoshop product page, not the plugins page as in the US.
Just beware that transaction-one are having problems with the installer which is supposed to appear in your browser after you pay - needless to say it crashed on me at this point giving a load of apache server error messages. The transaction did complete however - i.e. they got my money and I got no software.
This was last night - the phone lines were dead and the emails wern't answered - still haven't been, but I got through this morning and got pointed at an ftp download site.
Pleased with the s/w so far, and yes it does seem to reduce noise somewhat through the smoothing setting, seemingly without losing any real detail. I made a tiff and an mrw of the same scene some time ago, and use these for comparison. It doesn't seem to have the problem with jaggies on edges that Divu did. This seemed to be due to sharpening, where the darker pixels used to accentuate edges were a little irregular in position - this didn't seem to happen on the tiffs with in-camera sharpening.
Still not sure about colour accuracy - I need to try some more shots.
I agree with the earlier comments about ease of use, etc. It is also very useful to zoom in and see the real effect of the smoothing and sharpening settings.
Fred
Just beware that transaction-one are having problems with the installer which is supposed to appear in your browser after you pay - needless to say it crashed on me at this point giving a load of apache server error messages. The transaction did complete however - i.e. they got my money and I got no software.
This was last night - the phone lines were dead and the emails wern't answered - still haven't been, but I got through this morning and got pointed at an ftp download site.
Pleased with the s/w so far, and yes it does seem to reduce noise somewhat through the smoothing setting, seemingly without losing any real detail. I made a tiff and an mrw of the same scene some time ago, and use these for comparison. It doesn't seem to have the problem with jaggies on edges that Divu did. This seemed to be due to sharpening, where the darker pixels used to accentuate edges were a little irregular in position - this didn't seem to happen on the tiffs with in-camera sharpening.
Still not sure about colour accuracy - I need to try some more shots.
I agree with the earlier comments about ease of use, etc. It is also very useful to zoom in and see the real effect of the smoothing and sharpening settings.
Fred
Peter Marina
Leading Member
Please share your findings, we are hording out breath... ;-)
Peter Marina
Peter Marina
'...I sometimes try to help the humans...' Cosmo Kramer.
Peter Marina
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Peter Marina
'...I sometimes try to help the humans...' Cosmo Kramer.
Peter Marina
Leading Member
LOL, I have to stop these typos, I meant : holding our breath
Peter Marina
'...I sometimes try to help the humans...' Cosmo Kramer.
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Peter Marina
'...I sometimes try to help the humans...' Cosmo Kramer.
Fred Briggs
Senior Member
Hi Peter,
It's OK - I got the gist.
Thing is I've never posted any pictures before so I have to figure that out first. I have justed opened an account at pbase so maybe I can just put some examples on there and post a link.
Also these are big files and I'm not sure that compressing them will retain the detail as the differences are only really visible at high magnification, so maybe I will try full resolution, but seriously cropped down to small portions of the image.
Anyway it will have to be tomorrow now as it's 1:20 am UK time and I seriously need my beauty sleep! Thanks for the interest. I will post again if/when I get some examples on-line.
Fred
It's OK - I got the gist.
Thing is I've never posted any pictures before so I have to figure that out first. I have justed opened an account at pbase so maybe I can just put some examples on there and post a link.
Also these are big files and I'm not sure that compressing them will retain the detail as the differences are only really visible at high magnification, so maybe I will try full resolution, but seriously cropped down to small portions of the image.
Anyway it will have to be tomorrow now as it's 1:20 am UK time and I seriously need my beauty sleep! Thanks for the interest. I will post again if/when I get some examples on-line.
Fred
Brivers
Senior Member
Your stocks plummeting are not the result of an impending war. The stock market has been overvalued since about 1998. As we reached the end of the century, the landscape changed, namely Greenspan jerked the short term borrowing rates around like he was sitting at a slot machine in Vegas. Companies slowed their spending, and with the onset of multiple events, such as the ludicrous pursuit of the White House by the Democratic camp, consumers became wary. Not to mention the leadership in companies. Hated to vent here, but I'm just tired of people placing specific blame with regard to the market to the current administration when it's shared equally by the previous administration. And I'm not even a Bush supporter!
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