Adding FF D600, can't decide which body to dump

[Adventsam]

...you're more interested in seeing yourself in print than anything else. If you spent as much time on photography as on stirring controversy in this forum....

Bob, you know I like controversy but generally I do it to provoke thought and question ourselves not in a self-indulgent pompous way which your implying! I find that a bit insulting actually, seeing as I do post quite a few images covering all sorts of themes. This was the purpose of this thread, "who needs FF anyway" and a few besides, it was to get the FF "lust" out of my aspiration and for now I have put it to rest, but hey thanks for your input.

lol, I decided that the FF option and the 24-120 lens was just that, 24-120, the crop mode sounds a bit naff on this sensor; add in that it was still significant weight over m43 ie 400mm lens is getting huge and so on. The 10mp crop is also a big compromise from the 16mp files of m43 and the video in crop mode too seems to be sub std. All in all the weight was ridiculous for a "system" and am holding back to see how the other options develop with Sony. At the moment I am sitting on the fence and just enjoying the OMD ;-)

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I've stopped thinking in terms of "equivalent" focal lengths on m43. 25mm is what it is, and what it might be similar to on some other format doesn't matter to me any more. We need to learn what to expect from our current equipment, not keep mapping it to the old. No one refers to their 50mm FF lens as "equivalent to 80mm on MF."

 

[Adventsam]

Olymore,

I am taking on board your comments and many others, my aspiration this year is to really make some quality images, be they wildlife, landscape or whatever I can get around to shooting. I know I am still some way off getting repeatedly good results and I think I know what to work on now and where the limiting factors are, (me for 1). The thought of FF still appeals and I will re-think it after Christmas.

Thanks for your comments. ;-)

Sam, what's not clear to me from your previous posts are your 'needs'.

Do you need the thinner DOF or low light advantages of FF (with appropriate lenses of course) ?

I can't recall you posting any photos that suggested that was your style or interest.

It's all very well changing systems but will it actually improve your photographs.

I think it's wise to at Louis Dobson's approach where he carefully evaluates his needs and then buys the most suitable equipment.

Also I recall him saying that he prints up to 60 X 40 and finds M43 good enough for that.

I get the impression that you are being driven by gear lust rather than need and that can be an expensive road to go down.

Personally for me the old 12mp sensor was suitable apart from DR and if that had sufficient DR I would have been looking to upgrade my cameras every five years at most. In fact when Olympus comes out with a larger four thirds lens PDAF compatible camera with the current sensor, that and the OM-D will be sufficient for a long time barring any revolutionary advances

 

[jazzbass62]

...you're more interested in seeing yourself in print than anything else. If you spent as much time on photography as on stirring controversy in this forum....

Hmmm, Bob - aren't you currently listed as #3 in number of posts in this forum? :O

lol, I decided that the FF option and the 24-120 lens was just that, 24-120, the crop mode sounds a bit naff on this sensor; add in that it was still significant weight over m43 ie 400mm lens is getting huge and so on. The 10mp crop is also a big compromise from the 16mp files of m43 and the video in crop mode too seems to be sub std. All in all the weight was ridiculous for a "system" and am holding back to see how the other options develop with Sony. At the moment I am sitting on the fence and just enjoying the OMD ;-)

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I've stopped thinking in terms of "equivalent" focal lengths on m43. 25mm is what it is, and what it might be similar to on some other format doesn't matter to me any more. We need to learn what to expect from our current equipment, not keep mapping it to the old. No one refers to their 50mm FF lens as "equivalent to 80mm on MF."

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Cleve

 

[Olymore]

You're welcome and I fully understand why the fantastic array of cameras available today are calling to you.

 

[lowpine]

....the GH2 and GH3 in particular are moving toward the D600

GH3 yes, GH2 nope. Not unless they've released a new GH2, the size hasn't changed.

cya

 

[ryanshoots]

Well, FF was always big and bulky, the d600 has changed all that

Really? FF glass is now not big and bulky? Way to go d600.

 

[dko22]

Good post from Olymore which applies to all of us who are tempted to spend too much time on cameras and not enough on photography. It's not easy though to resist the lure of technology if you have an idea of what an ideal camera should be and try to work towards it. I've had the E-M5 four months now and I really can say that nothing fundamental is missing. Others may beg to differ.

At the beginning of the year I thought i really did need to concentrate on a purely photographic theme and did a university level course at Edinburgh College of Art. The mainly GH2 images used in the project, which was fairly successful, can be seen here http://dko22.zenfolio.com/p818708947 in case anyone is curious but I'm still working on trying to find my own style and at present am trying to do some landscapes with silver efex pro (Zenfolio black and white landscape collection still in early stages)

David

I am taking on board your comments and many others, my aspiration this year is to really make some quality images, be they wildlife, landscape or whatever I can get around to shooting. I know I am still some way off getting repeatedly good results and I think I know what to work on now and where the limiting factors are, (me for 1). The thought of FF still appeals and I will re-think it after Christmas.

Thanks for your comments. ;-)

Sam, what's not clear to me from your previous posts are your 'needs'.

Do you need the thinner DOF or low light advantages of FF (with appropriate lenses of course) ?

I can't recall you posting any photos that suggested that was your style or interest.

It's all very well changing systems but will it actually improve your photographs.

I think it's wise to at Louis Dobson's approach where he carefully evaluates his needs and then buys the most suitable equipment.

Also I recall him saying that he prints up to 60 X 40 and finds M43 good enough for that.

I get the impression that you are being driven by gear lust rather than need and that can be an expensive road to go down.

Personally for me the old 12mp sensor was suitable apart from DR and if that had sufficient DR I would have been looking to upgrade my cameras every five years at most. In fact when Olympus comes out with a larger four thirds lens PDAF compatible camera with the current sensor, that and the OM-D will be sufficient for a long time barring any revolutionary advances