ACR Adaptive Color profile sample.

Adaptive Color is really just the Auto button but for RAW files only right now. I'm not sure why they put it under the color profiles when it's really just another version of Auto giving you a place to start like Auto does.
I think it is more than just Auto. Link to greybalanced's post.

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/68477669
Seems like Auto to me. According to adobe they say Adaptive Color can be mimicked manually by yourself with the basic slider adjustments, curve adjustments and some masking, the only difference is it's being done for you and according to Adobe you can use the image as is at that point of use it for a starting point for tweaking it further to your liking.

"An AI model analyzes the photo and adjusts tones and colors to make them look just right. The effect is as if the AI had changed Exposure, Shadows, Highlights, Color Mixer, Curves and other controls for you, although the actual controls stay in their original neutral position. Some adjustments are global and some are local.

For many photos the Adobe Adaptive profile directly produces a rendering that is good enough for sharing or publishing. Of course, the photographer may have something slightly different in mind. In those cases they can fine-tune the images using all the controls available in Camera Raw and make the pictures lighter, darker, or more colorful, or add effects like vignetting. Usually this takes significantly less time than starting with another profile and adjusting everything by hand."
Perhaps. Curios why they would create that profile. The Auto sliders never maxed out so you still had control to tweak. Why does Adobe suggest to have Adaptive Color in a particular development while Auto doesn't matter.
Julieanne states it does regional edits instead of global. So like you said Auto on steroids. :-)


Good point about having more latitude with sliders. If you run out of adjustments you can always mask and all the sliders are at zero.


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Perhaps. Curios why they would create that profile.
I don;t understand why it is labeled as a profile instead of an super auto button, perhaps in time there will be a completely new mixing or combining of the way you use this feature as it nixes the auto button if you use the Adaptive Color setting, hitting the auto button before or after setting Adaptive Color can result in some strange results, so perhaps in time they will be cleaning these two features up, combining or something. Adobe says the next step if for a similar ability with a jpeg where this only works with a RAW file now.
The Auto sliders never maxed out so you still had control to tweak. Why does Adobe suggest to have Adaptive Color in a particular development while Auto doesn't matter.
Not sure what you mean by "while auto doesn't matter" what is that referring to?

As a side note, in use of "Auto" I rarely see the sliders max out so essentially there is still room to tweak in auto too.
 
Julieanne states it does regional edits instead of global. So like you said Auto on steroids. :-)
Don't know who Julieanne is, but Adobe states the setting applies both regional and global masking (edits) as you're calling it, so not just regional edits instead of global but both.
 
Perhaps. Curios why they would create that profile.
I don;t understand why it is labeled as a profile instead of an super auto button, perhaps in time there will be a completely new mixing or combining of the way you use this feature as it nixes the auto button if you use the Adaptive Color setting, hitting the auto button before or after setting Adaptive Color can result in some strange results, so perhaps in time they will be cleaning these two features up, combining or something. Adobe says the next step if for a similar ability with a jpeg where this only works with a RAW file now.
The Auto sliders never maxed out so you still had control to tweak. Why does Adobe suggest to have Adaptive Color in a particular development while Auto doesn't matter.
Not sure what you mean by "while auto doesn't matter" what is that referring to?
I meant why do Adaptive Profiles are suggested to be used in a specific order of development. Auto is not mentioned specifically so you could apply it whenever you like.
As a side note, in use of "Auto" I rarely see the sliders max out so essentially there is still room to tweak in auto too.
 
Julieanne states it does regional edits instead of global. So like you said Auto on steroids. :-)
Don't know who Julieanne is, but Adobe states the setting applies both regional and global masking (edits) as you're calling it, so not just regional edits instead of global but both.
Julieanne Kost.

https://jkost.net

https://jkost.com/blog/lightroom-training-videos

Global I knew which Auto applies. Adaptive does both.

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I meant why do Adaptive Profiles are suggested to be used in a specific order of development. Auto is not mentioned specifically so you could apply it whenever you like.
I see. I guess it's like all their ai and has something to do with how the adaptive profiles results are generated or applied.
 
Perhaps. Curios why they would create that profile.
I don;t understand why it is labeled as a profile instead of an super auto button, perhaps in time there will be a completely new mixing or combining of the way you use this feature as it nixes the auto button if you use the Adaptive Color setting, hitting the auto button before or after setting Adaptive Color can result in some strange results, so perhaps in time they will be cleaning these two features up, combining or something. Adobe says the next step if for a similar ability with a jpeg where this only works with a RAW file now.
The Auto sliders never maxed out so you still had control to tweak. Why does Adobe suggest to have Adaptive Color in a particular development while Auto doesn't matter.
Not sure what you mean by "while auto doesn't matter" what is that referring to?
I meant why do Adaptive Profiles are suggested to be used in a specific order of development. Auto is not mentioned specifically so you could apply it whenever you like.
An example.

I opened a file using Adobe Color, applied Auto and then Denoise AI. No Update warning,

I then opened a file using Adaptive Color, applied Denoise AI and I got the update warning.

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To me it goes to a different level of AI where as I said as a general example masks areas to fine tune. It just does not just take care of clipping but analyzes each scene differently.


As a side note, in use of "Auto" I rarely see the sliders max out so essentially there is still room to tweak in auto too.


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I meant why do Adaptive Profiles are suggested to be used in a specific order of development. Auto is not mentioned specifically so you could apply it whenever you like.
I see. I guess it's like all their ai and has something to do with how the adaptive profiles results are generated or applied.
Yes exactly.
 
Julieanne states it does regional edits instead of global. So like you said Auto on steroids. :-)
Don't know who Julieanne is, but Adobe states the setting applies both regional and global masking (edits) as you're calling it, so not just regional edits instead of global but both.
Julieanne Kost.

https://jkost.net

https://jkost.com/blog/lightroom-training-videos

Global I knew which Auto applies. Adaptive does both.
Sorry for going off topic a bit. She has been with Adobe for a long time and has excellent videos. Good resource and here is an another example.

 
Apologies, after making the OP I moved on to remote areas where I had real poor Wi-Fi. So posting in forums was too difficult. I'm home now, and thanks, I really appreciate all the comments, especially MimiVivi. I try to get accurate color and tone first, then move on to "pleasing". I wear prescription eyeglasses, and use flip-up sun shades. When in these Italian "hill towns" I'm flipping those sun shades up and down constantly. So, in this and many cases, I'm judging the sun lit highlights thru the sun shades and the lower shadows without. The Adaptive Color profile gave the best render of what I saw that way. Sure, without the sun shades the highlights would look much brighter, even blown out.

I could have got there with my normal profile by rendering multiple versions and using some fairly difficult and complicated luminosity masks. But the Adaptive Color profile saved a lot of that work. For what it's worth, here is my final version. But even it will probably get redone, since in the field I'm working on a laptop with a small good but not great screen. Also, for what it's worth, the Adaptive Color profile worked for me on only a small percentage of images.

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With every photograph we take, we're always exploring answers for two broad questions:

(1) what is the subject of the image I'm about to take?

(2) how does light help me say what I want to say about it? What does the light I have enable me to say, at all?


So you know, when I look at an image like the above, as the audience, I think the subject of the image is the architectural space; the confines and contours of it; the experience of being in this tight little spot in shade below with the sunlight streaming in from above. And light tells the story of that experience so beautifully: the way It steams in, the angle (illustrated right before us!) illuminating just the upper section of side wall. It doesn't penetrate to the ground, which tells us so much about what it's like to stand on that spot. The way the light streams tells us about the height of the walls above us, the open-shade climate below. The way the light doesn't touch you. Just out of reach. The way it draws your eye (and thus your camera!) UP! This is meaningful stuff!

Now, if you were processing this image with that understanding of it, you'd do everything you could to point out that the light side is direct-sun bright and the relative darkness is . . . relatively dark! (As we all know: the actual EV difference between direct sun and open shade is usually about 3 stops.) So you'd make sure that distinction was fairly clear! (Which your original take does--the top image in your original post's three.) Because that's the point of the image: the experience of standing in this beautiful spot in the open shade, with the sky streaming in warm above you. The image isn't about the infinite detail or texture of any particular point of any wall. It isn't about the light side of the space being the same color or texture or tone as the dark sides. It's about the difference between them. Light and shade change perceptions of color and tone and texture. This image is about experiencing that. It isn't abstract; it isn't an architectural drawing. Nobody ever walks through an architectural drawing; but you walked through this. You were there! At this moment. You lived it. The photo is about that. The way the light streams in is a marker of time and moment, about feeling of being confined by this beautiful architecture in this particular way in this amazing moment.

And I can already hear you saying, perhaps: "Um! Mimi! That's not at all what this image is about! This image is about the blue mural! It's right there in front!!!"

But that can't be true. That can't be true because that's not the story the light helps you tell. The light cuts across the mural in a way that makes it hard to appreciate consistently, even if you flatten luminosities out. (Nobody would ever photograph a painting in a museum by cutting light across it this way.) Light is your medium. It's your paint. You can't work against it or "despite" it. As a photographer, light is all you got!

Maybe you're saying, "this image can be about BOTH things, about the experience of being there with the light streaming into this space above me, but ALSO about the mural." And what I'm suggesting here (I know, sheesh, "everyone's a critic!") is that you can't have it both ways and have a powerful photograph. If you flatten the light to save the detail, you soft-pedal the beauty and moment and meaning the light actually gave you. The sun and the architecture and the angle the light stream in is in charge of this moment, and it isn't giving you a story that's about the mural, beautiful though it may be.

Photography follows the light. We're light writers! Photographers tell stories using light. The story is what the light shows you. And sometimes, the light isn't shining on the obvious thing in the most obvious way. Sometimes you shake your fist and it and say, HEY PAL, can you just shift a little to the right up there in the cosmos and shine on this beautiful thing right here? But alas: our art is about being perceptive and creative with the light the sun gives us; and barring that, it's about being crafty with reflectors, flags, strobes and speedlites. Light is our thing; every other tool in the box exists to serve the light we wrote.

Ultimately, I don't think the good ol' sun did you wrong, here. Yes, it cut across a beautiful mural in a way that even Adobe's mighty tech can't honestly help you "recover" (whatever that word really means in this sense). But the mural isn't the story; the story is the space, the experience of it, and this particular moment of being there--and it's a great story. I dig it, truly. We don't need to "recover" every detail of this space to know the moment is beautiful or to feel it. The light washing some of the color and tone . . . is part of the better story! It's part of feeling it! And that's kind of the "auxiliary" moral of this dumb criticism I'm offering: there's always a story the light gives us. Sometimes the hardest part of our craft is just noticing it! Or, if you do notice it (which you absolutely did), it's having confidence in it, believing that it's a good story to tell. Believing that it doesn't need to be "fixed" or "recovered" or "re-engineered" into a different one. Well friend, you should have confidence in this one. I'm telling you. At least one person thinks so. Don't flatten it out, man. Don't soft-pedal it. Tell it.

Having now said my peace, I just ask everyone not get too upset, right? Remember the important obligatory disclaimer that needs to follow any post like this one: all of this is just one girl's opinion, you know? She's a nut and kind of an idiot, for that matter. It's offered with a shrug on a no-harms-no-fouls basis, right? Ignore the stuff you don't like and do your thing your way.

ANYHOO: the photo's great shot. I dig it, I do.

Cheers!
 
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Apologies, after making the OP I moved on to remote areas where I had real poor Wi-Fi. So posting in forums was too difficult. I'm home now, and thanks, I really appreciate all the comments, especially MimiVivi. I try to get accurate color and tone first, then move on to "pleasing". I wear prescription eyeglasses, and use flip-up sun shades. When in these Italian "hill towns" I'm flipping those sun shades up and down constantly. So, in this and many cases, I'm judging the sun lit highlights thru the sun shades and the lower shadows without. The Adaptive Color profile gave the best render of what I saw that way. Sure, without the sun shades the highlights would look much brighter, even blown out.

I could have got there with my normal profile by rendering multiple versions and using some fairly difficult and complicated luminosity masks. But the Adaptive Color profile saved a lot of that work. For what it's worth, here is my final version. But even it will probably get redone, since in the field I'm working on a laptop with a small good but not great screen. Also, for what it's worth, the Adaptive Color profile worked for me on only a small percentage of images.

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I don’t know why but I have this strong feeling MimiVivi won’t be using it. 🙂

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You seem to be assuming that the OP’s first image captures a more veridical version of the scene than the third. But that’s not necessarily the case. We know that our eyes are constantly darting about when viewing a scene, creating and updating the image in our brain so that bright areas and dark areas are better ‘exposed’ than what our cameras are able to produce in a single image. So, regardless of what you say about how the light lands in the scene of the mural, the OP’s third image might be closer to what he perceived. Of course, we (and the OP) can only speculate on what he perceived in the moment, but the third image would be consistent with how the brain constructs images in our brain.
 
You seem to be assuming that the OP’s first image captures a more veridical version of the scene than the third. But that’s not necessarily the case. We know that our eyes are constantly darting about when viewing a scene, creating and updating the image in our brain so that bright areas and dark areas are better ‘exposed’ than what our cameras are able to produce in a single image. So, regardless of what you say about how the light lands in the scene of the mural, the OP’s third image might be closer to what he perceived. Of course, we (and the OP) can only speculate on what he perceived in the moment, but the third image would be consistent with how the brain constructs images in our brain.
Very true. Camera exposures are instant where we look at a scene for a while. One reason why leaves on sunny day look OK to us but can be blown out.
 
I think our eyes and brain don't capture an entire scene at once like a camera sensor does, nor do we take in an entire high dynamic range scene and average it out. Instead, our vision constantly moves and adapts: our pupils, retina, and neural processing adjust to different brightness levels as we shift our gaze.

We can only focus on small parts of the whole scene and our eyes adjust. When you look at a very bright area, your eyes contract the pupils and the retinal photoreceptors adapt, letting you perceive detail in the highlights while the shadows appear very dark.

Conversely, when you look at a shadowed area, your eyes dilate, and the photoreceptors in the rods which are more sensitive in low light become more active, revealing shadow details while the bright areas can appear washed out. All of this is happening in fractions of a second as your gaze moves across a scene. This is why you can look around in a scene with high contrast and gradually perceive detail in areas that might initially seem completely black or blown out.
 
You seem to be assuming that the OP’s first image captures a more veridical version of the scene than the third. But that’s not necessarily the case. We know that our eyes are constantly darting about when viewing a scene, creating and updating the image in our brain so that bright areas and dark areas are better ‘exposed’ than what our cameras are able to produce in a single image. So, regardless of what you say about how the light lands in the scene of the mural, the OP’s third image might be closer to what he perceived. Of course, we (and the OP) can only speculate on what he perceived in the moment, but the third image would be consistent with how the brain constructs images in our brain.
Very true. Camera exposures are instant where we look at a scene for a while. One reason why leaves on sunny day look OK to us but can be blown out.
Camera exposures are an instant. And they don't feature the in-motion processing of the human brain, which remembers many different distinct eye "exposures" and composits them in memory, as the viewer's attention sees fit.

Plainly: we all know it's not possible for a photograph to match "what we saw" because our eyes and brains aren't engineered to snap and memorize frozen hundreths-of-a-second intervals of light, nor do we have a 2D rectilinear "frame" of view, nor do we have reasonable sharpness across our entire image field (perfect human eyes are sharp in the center of the field and fall off dramatically and quickly beyond it), nor do we see at telephoto focal lengths (or at rectilinear ultra-wides) or at particularly wide apertures. Yes cameras and lenses are kind of like our eyes and brains, but only kind of. The differences are big and they matter.

So our photographs are all artistic and subjective constructions, necessarily, because the means of capture and "display" are so different than our eyes and our memories. That's a good thing, by the way. An interesting thing. A fun thing. And so the question then is: is HOW do we construct our pictures, and WHY THAT WAY?

Alls I'm saying, to address those two questions: it's a feature, not a bug, that still cameras record distinctions of light with more apparent contrast on a screen or on a print than "what you remember you saw." Just like it's a feature and not a bug that we shoot rectilinear frames. Or that we have focal lengths and depths of field that aren't like what we see. Features, all. Like all of those things, photographic contrast between light and dark is a feature that helps distinguish subjects and communicate meaning and strengthen impressions for an audience that didn't have your particular eyes and brain and wasn't where you were. The photographic frame is small, frozen, limited in ways experience is not. Contrast, literally, tells us what's what within it. What's important. What's not. Why.

I think (one person), anyway. Subjective constructions, right? We all do our thing.

Many tx for hearing me out! Cheers to you all.
 
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You seem to be assuming that the OP’s first image captures a more veridical version of the scene than the third. But that’s not necessarily the case. We know that our eyes are constantly darting about when viewing a scene, creating and updating the image in our brain so that bright areas and dark areas are better ‘exposed’ than what our cameras are able to produce in a single image. So, regardless of what you say about how the light lands in the scene of the mural, the OP’s third image might be closer to what he perceived. Of course, we (and the OP) can only speculate on what he perceived in the moment, but the third image would be consistent with how the brain constructs images in our brain.
Very true. Camera exposures are instant where we look at a scene for a while. One reason why leaves on sunny day look OK to us but can be blown out.
Camera exposures are an instant. And they don't feature the in-motion processing of the human brain, which remembers many different distinct eye "exposures" and composits them in memory, as the viewer's attention sees fit.

Plainly: we all know it's not possible for a photograph to match "what we saw" because our eyes and brains aren't engineered to snap and memorize frozen hundreths-of-a-second intervals of light, nor do we have a 2D rectilinear "frame" of view, nor do we have reasonable sharpness across our entire image field (perfect human eyes are sharp in the center of the field and fall off dramatically and quickly beyond it), nor do we see at telephoto focal lengths (or at rectilinear ultra-wides) or at particularly wide apertures. Yes cameras and lenses are kind of like our eyes and brains, but only kind of. The differences are big and they matter.

So our photographs are all artistic and subjective constructions, necessarily, because the means of capture and "display" are so different than our eyes and our memories. That's a good thing, by the way. An interesting thing. A fun thing. And so the question then is: is HOW do we construct our pictures, and WHY THAT WAY?
Exactly. But if the preferred appearance of a photographic image is so subjective, there are no grounds on which to say that the OP's first image is a better 'treatment' of the data in the raw file than the third image. It might be closer to your 'vision' of the scene, but the third one might satisfy the OP's vision, and I would argue that it is likely (unverifiably) closer to what he thinks he saw that day. At least it makes a better starting point for further treatment, since more detail is preserved in the bright areas.
Alls I'm saying, to address those two questions: it's a feature, not a bug, that still cameras record distinctions of light with more apparent contrast on a screen or on a print than "what you remember you saw." Just like it's a feature and not a bug that we shoot rectilinear frames. Or that we have focal lengths and depths of field that aren't like what we see. Features, all. Like all of those things, photographic contrast between light and dark is a feature that helps distinguish subjects and communicate meaning and strengthen impressions for an audience that didn't have your particular eyes and brain and wasn't where you were. The photographic frame is small, frozen, limited in ways experience is not. Contrast, literally, tells us what's what within it. What's important. What's not. Why.
But I don't think that cameras (or the first image) capture "more apparent contrast" than what we see. Rather, I think they capture less dynamic range, which is what we see in that first image, where details in the mural are lost in the highlights. Why wouldn't we want to preserve those details (which our eyes probably saw at the time), while still having an image with appealing contrast? (Of course, for other images, we might want a more chiaroscuro-like look, according to our intent and vision).

I only think that the third image, as a starting point, offers more options than the first.
I think (one person), anyway. Subjective constructions, right? We all do our thing.

Many tx for hearing me out! Cheers to you all.
 
I'm one of those that shoots the ColorChecker and profiles my cameras, then profiles my monitors too. So, when the Adaptive Color profile feature came in Camera Raw I paid little attention. A quick test and I said, "Nah." Can't be as good as all that work I put into custom profiles.

But I recently tried again on some difficult wide dynamic range shots. Some scenes in Italy where the narrow streets cast deep shadows down low while shafts of bright sun strike up high. I was amazed how the Adaptive Color profile recovered the highlights and maintained the shadows - much easier and even better than I could do with the Highlights, Whites, Shadows, and Exposure sliders on my own custom profile. Below is one sample. First image is no adjustments on my custom profile. Second is with the Highlights and White sliders to the max. Third in the Adaptive Color profile.

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I like how it handles the highlights, but I now notice a prominent halo below the arch. Is that something that can be avoided? I wonder if DxO's smart lighting might do a better job, especially in 'spot' mode.
 
I'm fine with some not liking the Adaptive Profile but it is just not about flattening. It's just another tool to help. As I stated before our fine DXO crew for years have said they can get to the final results faster than LrC/PS. Just another PP tool for that and I don't see the difference.

Christian Mohrle. I watch quite a few of his videos as well.


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members think that we just rely on Adaptive Profiles this is using Adaptive B&W plus about 65 more edits. I call this one of my Ansel Adams wannabe edit.

Alte, Portugal.

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