A good (free) RAW file viewer

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Until last week I have used BreezeBrowser to view and cull my RAW shoots. For what it is worth I then process my RAWs in Qimage Ultimate but it is not the software to take 500 shots and quickly reduce them to 100 keepers.

I cannot go on using BreezeBrowser as it is no longer being developed and cannot read Ricoh or Olympus Raws.

I dug out a copy of Irvanview but before I commit myself to it I'd be interested to learn what other Windows PC users are using. It must be fast. It must show the images with enough detail to know one is keeping the right shots. It must have an easy way of moving the iffy shots to another folder rather than the Recycle Bin.

All ideas please.

Tony
 
Until last week I have used BreezeBrowser to view and cull my RAW shoots. For what it is worth I then process my RAWs in Qimage Ultimate but it is not the software to take 500 shots and quickly reduce them to 100 keepers.

I cannot go on using BreezeBrowser as it is no longer being developed and cannot read Ricoh or Olympus Raws.

I dug out a copy of Irvanview but before I commit myself to it I'd be interested to learn what other Windows PC users are using. It must be fast. It must show the images with enough detail to know one is keeping the right shots. It must have an easy way of moving the iffy shots to another folder rather than the Recycle Bin.

All ideas please.

Tony
You can try FastPictureViewer Pro , but it does not meet your "free" requirement, sorry.
 
If you need full color management, there are few if any freebies.

If that's not essential, IrfanView and FastStone are two very fine programs. They have different strengths and weaknesses and I find them more complementary that competitive. I use both. However, I also use FactPictureViewer more because that's color managed (but not free, although it's not expensive either).

In any event, I promise that all of the above are worthy of a close look. Let your own preferences and feelings take it from there.
 
Until last week I have used BreezeBrowser to view and cull my RAW shoots. For what it is worth I then process my RAWs in Qimage Ultimate but it is not the software to take 500 shots and quickly reduce them to 100 keepers.

I cannot go on using BreezeBrowser as it is no longer being developed and cannot read Ricoh or Olympus Raws.

I dug out a copy of Irvanview but before I commit myself to it I'd be interested to learn what other Windows PC users are using. It must be fast. It must show the images with enough detail to know one is keeping the right shots. It must have an easy way of moving the iffy shots to another folder rather than the Recycle Bin.

All ideas please.

Tony
Suggest you check out FastStone to see if it meets your needs. It is free (Donation Recommended) and I really like the many functions this software provides. Just google and Download it to evaluate
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I'd echo the other posters.

FastPictureViewer Pro is great for culling images, as it can be real time saver if you take tons of photos and need to quickly narrow down your "keepers". I was working on a camera review with a tight deadline a while back and made use of it, since I had a PC failure and did not have time to reinstall my usual Operating Systems and Software, and needed to make use of a new "emergency replacement" PC with Win 7 on it, making as few modifications as possible at the time.

I was very impressed with it's speed at the time. I did see a few bugs at that time trying to use it's batch features to move images rated higher to separate folders as keepers. But, Axel (the developer) patched them *immediately* upon me reporting the issues.

That was a while back, and from the looks of it now, a *lot* of new features have been added to it since then. So, I'd definitely give it a test drive to see how well it works for you.

However, as fast as it is, at it's current price, I'd also try something like Corel AfterShot Pro (which is also very fast but has loads of image management/editing features included, too). Like FastPictureViewer Pro, Corel AfterShot Pro can also use GPU Acceleration to speed up processing and rendering of images (only it uses OpenCL for that purpose, and I think FastPictureViewer is using DirectX functions). In any event, I think you'll find both are very fast. So, I'd test drive both products to see what works better for you.

FastStone Image Viewer is also a good program (and it meets your "free" requirement). I've spent time using in the past (although I didn't use it specifically for culling purposes).

Again, my personal choice for that kind of thing is Corel AfterShot Pro.

It's very similar to Adobe Lightroom, only faster on multi-core CPUs from my experience with it, and it allows you to very quickly rate images for culling purposes. It has lots of ways to accomplish that (including simple flags for keepers, as well as using a "star" rating system (one star, two stars, etc.) so you can quickly filter your views to show only the images you rated x stars or higher, then rate them again until you get the images you want in your final set.

I use it when I may take a thousand or more images in a weekend and need to narrow down my choices to a a couple of dozen images quickly. Basically, I just rate any "prospect" as 3 stars or more and filter my view to only show those images. Then, go through them quickly and rate the the better ones as 4 stars or higher, etc. It lets you zoom into parts of the image using a magnifying glass to quickly compare details of side by side images of the same subject, etc.

It's also got tons of editing capabilities, image management features, and even supports features like layers and edit regions. It's super software at a great price, and it's multi-platform (Windows, Linux, OS X).

It's not free, but it's the best software I've found for that kind of thing; and it's a real bargain at current prices.

They just started a new sale where they dropped the price to only $29.99 (the lowest price I've ever seen for it). So, I'd act fast if you want to get it at that price before they increase it again.

http://www.corel.com/corel/product/index.jsp?pid=prod4670071

Download a trial to see how it works with your camera's files first. If you like it, just buy it and you can just plug in the license key they give you with no reinstall needed.

I'd suggest watching this old "webinar" about it so you get a better idea of what it's capable of, since it's got so many features it can take you a while to discover all of them on your own.


It's really very nice software, it's *very* fast, and is perfect for what it sounds like you're looking for. IMO, it would pay for itself in time savings from one weekend's shoot compared to most any other similar solution (including products like Adobe Lightroom).

You can download trial versions of AfterShot Pro or FastPictureViewer Pro..

So, I'd take advantage of the trial downloads to find a product that meets you needs better.

Of course, FastStone Picture Viewer is free. So, make sure to test drive it, too.

But, a product like AfterShot Pro has gots loads of features you don't get with a free product like that (and again, it's current sale price of $29.99 is the lowest I've ever seen for it, but I don't know how long that sale price will last).

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A VERY good viewer/basic organizer that is raw aware. You can't develop raw, but you can manage, sort, & cull, just about any image file to your heart's content!

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Thanks folk.

On the basis of that I am going to try FastStone and Fast Picture Viewer Pro.

I have left out Corel Aftershop Pro as, if I am paying, I think I will get better support from Axel than from the Corel operation.

I'll test the two mentioned today and report back.

By the way - the reason I am not happy with Irfanview is it seems not to have a rating system and culling seemed to be essentially delete or keep. I prefer to work in stages and also to have a final look at my culled out items before consigning them to the WPB.

Tony
 
I'm waiting to be approved for the Fast Picture Viewer forum. In the meantime if Jim or Axel are around could you tell me:-

1. If I star rate a folder of images can I view them in the order of the stars, or am I stuck with the usual file name or date or whatever ordering?

2. The images coming from the Ricoh GR DNG are horrid. I read that FPV can work with the RAW. Is this ridiculously slow? If not how do I make it work?

3. I have found that Alt * will move files to a selected folder. How does one change the destination folder?

Presumably I'll soon be able to ask on their forum - but this will keep me going until I am accepted as a suitable 'groupie'

Tony
 
OK. A bit of time to spare.

As far as I can tell FastTone is much more orientated to people who want to manipulate their images. Not me. I have software that does that.

I simply want to cull the wheat from the chaff - and I don't think this is the priority here.

Tell me I am wrong!

Tony
 
OK. A bit of time to spare.

As far as I can tell FastTone is much more orientated to people who want to manipulate their images. Not me. I have software that does that.
Tony, what gives you that idea. I have used FastStone for several years and have never used it for any type of image adjustments or other manipulations that you refer to -- although it evidently has many features that I don't utilize. I have several other issues (Titles) of software that I use for Photo adjustments as needed, Noise Reduction, Printing, etc.


I simply want to cull the wheat from the chaff - and I don't think this is the priority here.

Tell me I am wrong!

Tony
 
I'm waiting to be approved for the Fast Picture Viewer forum. In the meantime if Jim or Axel are around could you tell me:-

1. If I star rate a folder of images can I view them in the order of the stars, or am I stuck with the usual file name or date or whatever ordering?

2. The images coming from the Ricoh GR DNG are horrid. I read that FPV can work with the RAW. Is this ridiculously slow? If not how do I make it work?

3. I have found that Alt * will move files to a selected folder. How does one change the destination folder?

Presumably I'll soon be able to ask on their forum - but this will keep me going until I am accepted as a suitable 'groupie'

Tony
Hi Tony, I've set to FastPictureViewer forum to "manual approval" as I get an average of 150 new bogus (spam) accounts per day, it's becoming unmanageable to clean the spam and ban the accounts... You can send your forum's username to [email protected] and I'll activate it.

To answer your questions:

1) You can filter by rating, for example to see only the 5 stars, or the 4 and 5 stars etc., using the View Filters feature (press F). The underlying sort order is set by pressing F3.

2) I found some Ricoh GR DNG samples and it appears that the size of embedded preview images in those files is 640x424 pixels, which is unusably small. Maybe Ricoh will fix this in a future firmware update and write a full-size 16.2MP preview instead. In the meantime, you can update the preview image in your Ricoh DNGs using the Adobe DNG Converter (convert from DNG to DNG but with full-size embedded preview). As it stands, FPV has no choice but to display the tiny previews, or the decoded RAW data (when you press R), which is slower and just as "horrid" as a basic dcraw conversion: no NR, no sharpening and YMMV white balance - in particular as there is no explicit support for Ricoh cameras in dcraw, upon which the RAW converter in FPV Pro RAW codecs is rooted.

3) Hit Ctrl+A to select the destination folder where for copy/move images. You could also create a batch processing rule that copies/moves/exports images to different folders based on rating: press Ctrl+F to get started with the batch processor.

As a side note, I introduced a stupid little bug this weekend, which may cause a crash when changing the image folder with Ctrl+Q while the RGB Histogram gadget is displayed. You may want to grab Build 328, which is up now.

Axel
 
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Vernon,

My initial look at FastStone did not unearth a method of rating the images.

Yes, you can tag them but that is effectively a yes/no judgement rather than a one to five judgment.

I could be, and probably are wrong. My look was admittedly hasty.

Tony
 
Thanks Axel,

That takes me forward a lot. I will email you the user name I chose for your forum.

If I convert the DNG using that Adobe freebie what size should I be converting to?

Tony
 
Thanks Axel,

That takes me forward a lot. I will email you the user name I chose for your forum.

If I convert the DNG using that Adobe freebie what size should I be converting to?

Tony
In the Adobe DNG Converter's preferences, set the "JPEG Preview" option to "Full Size". This will embed a nice full-resolution preview in the DNGs that can be displayed at "JPEG speed":







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Thanks Axel,

I have always been wary of any software that alters RAW files.

Presumably the answer with this operation is to keep an untreated set of files in another folder until one has worked on the ones that Adobe has altered?

Tony
 
Thanks Axel,

I have always been wary of any software that alters RAW files.

Presumably the answer with this operation is to keep an untreated set of files in another folder until one has worked on the ones that Adobe has altered?

Tony
I fully agree with you on the principle but in this particular case DNG is an Adobe format, I'd not worry too much about Adobe DNG software messing up Adobe DNG files, but you can of course be extra-careful and keep the originals intact.

Adding full-size previews to DNGs has benefits as it allows for quick previewing directly in Explorer and Windows Photo Viewer (provided you have a DNG codec installed in your system), as well as fast full-size previewing in most raw-enabled image viewers including IrfanView, FPV Pro and others.
 
Axel,

Having now tried the converter I see it does not alter the file. It creates a copy.

That means that automatically one has the original in reserve.

Tony
 
Until last week I have used BreezeBrowser to view and cull my RAW shoots. For what it is worth I then process my RAWs in Qimage Ultimate but it is not the software to take 500 shots and quickly reduce them to 100 keepers.

I cannot go on using BreezeBrowser as it is no longer being developed
Why do you say that it is no longer developed? The last release is

BreezeBrowser Pro v1.9.8.4 released 24 September 2013
http://breezesys.com/BreezeBrowser/index.htm

That is pretty recent.
and cannot read Ricoh or Olympus Raws.
This is a different issue. Have you contacted BreezeBrowser support? (However, BB has historically been Canon oriented. It started as a wrapper for the Canon SDK and was offered as an alternative for Canon's free ZoomBrowser. I don't know how well BB supports non-Canon cameras, because I use Canon.)

With this said, I am interested in how you make out with FastPictureViewer Pro. I've used BreezeBrowser for (I think) 10 years. I'd be interested in a comparison of BreezeBrowser to FastPictureViewer Pro and if you find it better than BB (not counting RAW support.)

Wayne
 
Wayne

I emailed Chris a couple of weeks ago.

"HI Tony,

I'm sorry we have no plans for adding support for Ricoh GR raw
conversion. However, BreezeBrowser Pro should be able to display the raw
files using the JPEG preview image stored in the raw file.

Regards,

Chris Breeze"

and:-

"Hi Tony,

I'm not aware of any HTML templates using cursor keys for navigation but
I'm sure it must be possible using Javascript or DHTML. It has been
quite a while since I've worked on new HTML templates.

Regards,

Chris Breeze"

I am learning how to use FPVP. I am sure I will find it better.

Axel has pointed me to that way of upsizing the embedded thumbnails as I said and has also pointed me to some other ways I can use FPVP more to my liking.

Until I can find a way of creating HTML folders that are tablet friendly I will continue to revert to BB for their system. And I prefer the BB alternative of thumnail or large views, but I gather that will come in the next upgrade of FPVP.

Tony
 

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