Lets see...you pay less than 200 bucks for arguably the best photo printer out there.....I just find it too hard to believe that an EPSON product, bought by one person has so much trouble with it...You must have read some of the reviews before hand and seen that it is a so called "noisy" printer..so you should have expected it... for those that don't read or research a product before hand, to see what the issues are about it before you buy it... well.. what can I say?....If you want quiet, I have a hammer, and the 1hr photo shop is in wal-mart...of all the things to gripe about in a printer is noise...geezum..Who ever thought of putting a decibal meter on a printer anyways?? Print quality is what a PRINTer is for... Good luck, hope you get what you want and all your photo's are crisp and clean..j-bo
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780 users: it the noise really acceptable?!
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Your belief, j-bo, is misguided! See also:
http://www.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1003&message=978859
Yes, I read reviews and comments at this forum, though nothing jumped out about the noise. Having had several Espon printers before, I knew some were considered noisey but never expected what I hear from the 780.
Do you really consider printed photos with large red gaps in them (like rubylith used by graphic artists) acceptable? If so, then you do not consider all around quality in a printer to be as important as simply print quality! Maybe YOU find blocked black ink cartridges, practically just out of the box, acceptable. I do not.
If the purpose of these forums are to help inform, others should be aware of the potential problems with the new 780. You should be taking Espon to task, not me.
Epson will be mailing me my third 780 and I should receive it on Tuesday. If IT doesn't work, then three strikes and they are out! I'll not buy an Espon product again.
Gail
PS By way of information, I owned a print and graphic design shop for years. We had more printers and related gizmos than most people own in a lifetime. I know an excellent product when I see one; I know excellent print quality; I know BOTH can be had in one product.
My belief, my opinion, I have owned epson for years without ANY troubles. You may have had your troubles, but I have had none. So..since you are stating your problem, I am stating my PRAISE!
Do you live in a "silence is golden" community? It astonishes me that this (noise) could be a main concern with a machine. Fully understanding that you have had other problems.
I don't know what your settings on your monitor, printer and photo adjusting program are. Do you know that you need to calibrate all these together? Have you tried all the settings available to you, have you used EPSON PAPERS? I would put my GORGEOUS printed photo's against any store bought prints!
And yes, this forum is to help others. If EVERYONE would read EVERY single post on EVERY make and model of printers out there. EVERYONE could see that there are PROS and CONS to EVERY printer made. BUT.. I take EXCEPTION over something as TRIVIAL as noise.
Since you were in the "business" end of a print shop. Did you ever consider you are asking too much from an entry level consumer product? What swayed you to even get this printer in the 1st place? Obviously you are in the know about print and so forth.. I really do hope that your new epson meets your lofty goals...
With all this said, your opinion is yours, and others are theirs. But understand too, that rebuttles(spelling?) are part of the forums too....
j-bo
My Espon 600 (two of them; purchased one for my daughter) - considered in the entry-level category level at the time I purchased them if I remember correctly - have given trouble-free, beautiful prints for more than four years. NEVER had one service call, or printing or ink clogging problem! It even appears to be quiter than the 780. It has a more substantial construction. I regret that I donated my 600 so quickly.
There are many less expensive printers available than the 780 which are much quiter. The sound IS a concern for me and could be for others. However, this issue is nothing compared to the clogging problems that others, including myself, are experiencing.
YES, YES! Did you read what I wrote:
the black ink cartridges clog and the ink fails to disperse?! The red areas appear because of a failure of black ink mixing with other colors. Two authorized Espon technicians could not walk me through fixing the problem.
Epson papers?! You mean the specialty-sized, premium glossy, premium priced ones I only use? Should I calculate how much paper I've wasted!
Sorry, but I do not consider the decible level of this machine trivial. But one could learn to live with it if the printer printed!!!
While I do not consider $200 an high end, home user product, neither do I consider it entry level. I can buy an entry level printer for (+ -) $100.
And don't give me a line about the $50 rebate reducing the actual price. I asked myself why a 25% discount on a brand new product?! I think I now know the answer.
In this order:
1. The size. I have a significant space limitation in my home office.
2. The print quality. Outstanding...if and when the two 780's I've had work, which hasn't been often.
3. Epson reputation: I bought this printer based on my past experience owning other Espon printers. The 780 certainly does not live up to what I've come to expect from the company and know they are capable of.
I'm going to give Espon one more chance since they offered to send me a new printer on Tuesday. If this THIRD 780 doesn't work, it's three strikes and Epson is out. They'll have lost me as a customer.
Enough customers making my kind of noise is worse than the printer's!
My intention was not to make noise but find out if others had similar concerns. But it really irks me when replies become argumentative, rather than just respectfully disagree.
Gail
wilson38397
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If its that noisey turn up your favorite song (Al Green),pour yourself a glass of red wine and watch the 780 print out those AMAZING prints,you might have to have two glass of wine since it's very slow also,but IMHO the END RESULTS is all that matters and for the price you're paying for the 780 its worth the aggravation of the slow and noisey prints.
MikeA
Senior Member
Mine works great. I can live with the noise level. What am I doing wrong?
wilson38397
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My connections at Futureshop.ca has mentioned that the Epson 780 will have a cash rebate for $35cdn in October,which will bring the unit overall price down to $114cdn which is heck of price,if it gets any lower instead of buying inks maybe its better to buy a brand new Epson printer.The cost is narrowing.....I've tried the Epson heavy matte paper and it does extremely well ,if you put this behind a glass picture frame you cannot distinguished this from a film format photo...truly amazing printer that has it short comings but I'm willing to accept that if the quality of prints stays the same.
Robert54629
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I just took delivery of a 780 myself. IMO, it isn't just a matter of the sound level itself. The printer makes a high pitched whine, especially when it's starting that may annoy some a great deal more than others. It's on the level of an annoying dash rattle or squeak in a new car, for example. Even those that are aware of the noise from reading reviews may not be prepared for this. Considering how slow the printer is, the best thing you can do is get it going, leave for a cup of coffee, and come back later. I agree the output is excellent.
For only $74 US + shipping, I decided to take a chance. I wouldn't have considered an Epson printer otherwise. I don't like the fixed print head, there are no separate cartridges for each color, and it is difficult at best to refill them. I'll keep using my Canon BJC6000 for everyday use, and the Epson just for photos. With such a low price, the Epson is a disposable. If it lasts for a couple of years and breaks or clogs, it won't be a great loss.
Still, the manufacturer needs to honor their warranty. There should be lemon laws applicable in your state if the problem with your printer can't be resolved. If Epson is trying to gain market share by offering a low cost option for high quality photo printing, they're going to need to stand by their product.
For only $74 US + shipping, I decided to take a chance. I wouldn't have considered an Epson printer otherwise. I don't like the fixed print head, there are no separate cartridges for each color, and it is difficult at best to refill them. I'll keep using my Canon BJC6000 for everyday use, and the Epson just for photos. With such a low price, the Epson is a disposable. If it lasts for a couple of years and breaks or clogs, it won't be a great loss.
Still, the manufacturer needs to honor their warranty. There should be lemon laws applicable in your state if the problem with your printer can't be resolved. If Epson is trying to gain market share by offering a low cost option for high quality photo printing, they're going to need to stand by their product.
Richard S.44909
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the black ink cartridges clog
Gail:
I took my 780 back the next day and bought an HP 950 series. Consumer reports ranks them the best. Quiet and beautiful prints...no jamming...hp is the best for me...no hassle. Good luck
Richard
Bob Schatz
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My wife has an HP P1000, which you can barely hear while it's printing, but she paid almost $300. about a year ago for it. It doesn't always finish the print and with lighter weight papers, it jams, so I told her she needs to get it repaired. I own a Canon and just purchased the Epson 780, then bought one for my daughter too. I can live with it's noise, since so far it has been trouble free. I also like Epson's control over the color. My wife's HP has no options I've found for permanent adjustment, but the Epson allows me to make permanent custom changes. I'm happy with it, but it kills me I paid $95. when they're down to $70. now.
the black ink cartridges clog
MikeA
Senior Member
Eat-humble-pie time. It worked great up to the point that the Epson driver started lying through its teeth about the amount of black ink remaining. I think I skated close to the edge of disaster by continuing to run out nozzle-check prints when in fact no ink was getting delivered to the black print head...just asking for the head to be damaged. So I appear to have answered my own "what am I doing wrong?" question. The answer is: "trusting the Epson driver to give me accurate results." The fact that it didn't refuse to print when the print head was no longer getting black ink is kind of dismaying.
I can still (pretty enthusiastically) recommend the 780 to someone just starting out -- what an incredible bargain: a printer capable of making great color prints that, given the right paper selection, can last quite a while. It's just that the user has to be realistic about trusting the printer driver. (This might be true of all the Epson printers that have chip-reset systems, for all I know.)
I can still (pretty enthusiastically) recommend the 780 to someone just starting out -- what an incredible bargain: a printer capable of making great color prints that, given the right paper selection, can last quite a while. It's just that the user has to be realistic about trusting the printer driver. (This might be true of all the Epson printers that have chip-reset systems, for all I know.)
MikeA
Senior Member
Yeah, well, I'll have to take some of this back. I finally got the 1270 up and running, and -- wow, what a difference. The 780 isn't horrifically noisy while it's making a print, but while it's initializing itself and when it's done printing, it emits a pretty loud chorus of beeps and chirps and groans and screeches. I found that aspect of using it mildly irritating but figured I could live with it -- I assumed that's just how inkjet printers must be. Well, silly me. I probably still could live with it if I had to, but...
... the 1270 is whisper-quiet all the time. Cool.
It is, however, slower than the 780 to make a print. I guess that's one difference between older- and newer-generation printers. That aside, print quality is great, as expected.
... the 1270 is whisper-quiet all the time. Cool.
It is, however, slower than the 780 to make a print. I guess that's one difference between older- and newer-generation printers. That aside, print quality is great, as expected.
Mine works great. I can live with the noise level. What am I doing
wrong?
MikeA
Senior Member
And I could still recommend the 780 to someone wanting to make good-quality inkjet prints, on a limited budget. The 780's price is ridiculously low just now at Epson's site (and for all I know, even lower than "ridiculously low" at discount retailers).
... the 1270 is whisper-quiet all the time. Cool.
It is, however, slower than the 780 to make a print. I guess that's
one difference between older- and newer-generation printers. That
aside, print quality is great, as expected.
Mine works great. I can live with the noise level. What am I doing
wrong?
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