20mm 1.7 sharpness wide open

the lust for... are perhaps the most sure signs of photographic illiteracy.

Sharpness because it is only subjective - perhaps they mean resolution? Which is an entirely different matter...
OP has a concern whether his lens is performing as well as good copy of this lens on same body should perform. That is not lust for sharpness, that is simply making sure that what you purchased is not a dud. Two hugely different things and "art" has nothing to do with later one.
How wrong you are - sharpness is just a metaphor of death. Death of the subject in the guillotine of the shutter (Barthes). As I said most of the masterpieces are slightly OOF, but then your only argument is that the OP wants to make sure he gets something for his money.

Does it make it a worthy thread? - LOL! That's his private business, and most probably operator's error - with waste of bandwidth, yours, added in surfeit.

Am.

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... prove me wrong ...
We could have this game of quoting others back and forth whole day long, I don't care, I know what I see in front of me and I don't care about wasting my weekend time on proving some anonymous on Internet wrong, you can have last word :)
Actually, we can't, because that implies you can post some proof of your continued exaggerations. Your feigned acquiescence is yet another weak tactic used by those that can't support their claims. You know, like your ad hominem attacks.

You've yet to quote anything to support your contentions, whether it be respected reviews or your own photos. You're good at trashing those that refute you, but when it comes to making substantive posts, you continue to come up short.

As usual, lots of froth, with little substance.
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Thanks, I think I won't put too much energy on this and will continue shooting. Re-evaluate after I have more photos under different shooting scenarios. I'm not a fan of lab tests.
I think that's best. I don't believe shooting a few photos of newsprint from a tripod is a lab test, but from what I've seen from your photos, I also don't think it's necessary. Now that I think about it, only one person on this thread has said they're "positive" something is wrong with your lens, while others have said your results look fine. Looks like you've decided which side of that is probably correct.
Maybe 1/500 wasn't fast enough to freeze the action on my first shot, who knows...
Could be, or if IBIS was used, it may have had some effect. Like I said, if you really want to know, the easiest way is to eliminate as many variables as possible. I also don't think you need to worry about it.

Have fun with your 20! I know I have, and I'm really looking forward to a 45/1.8.
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Could be, or if IBIS was used, it may have had some effect. Like I said, if you really want to know, the easiest way is to eliminate as many variables as possible. I also don't think you need to worry about it.
Yes, IBIS was on. Is it recommended to turn IBIS off when shooting at higher shutter speeds just like with the optically stabilized lenses?
Have fun with your 20! I know I have, and I'm really looking forward to a 45/1.8.
I have mine on pre-order ;)
 
Could be, or if IBIS was used, it may have had some effect. Like I said, if you really want to know, the easiest way is to eliminate as many variables as possible. I also don't think you need to worry about it.
Yes, IBIS was on. Is it recommended to turn IBIS off when shooting at higher shutter speeds just like with the optically stabilized lenses?
From what I've seen here, Guy Parsons has made the most detailed posts on the matter. IIRC, it's been his experience that at higher shutter speeds, any stabilization may not be beneficial. Here's his page on the subject:
http://homepages.ihug.com.au/~parsog/olyepl1/04-epl1-stabiliser.html

Ultimately, the value of stabilization will depend on many factors (photographer, focal length, shutter speed, efficacy of the form of stabilization, etc.), but it's important to consider if it's really needed for every non-tripod shot, and that's a question only the individual can answer. If I can stabilize my camera well enough, I turn it off. Just another variable to consider while you're shooting.
Have fun with your 20! I know I have, and I'm really looking forward to a 45/1.8.
I have mine on pre-order ;)
Yesterday, I walked into the store for a monopod. I walked out with some CF tucked under my arm, and my name first on the list for a 45/1.8. I haven't celebrated the Feast of the Trumpets before, but I will this year.
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the lust for... are perhaps the most sure signs of photographic illiteracy.

Sharpness because it is only subjective - perhaps they mean resolution? Which is an entirely different matter...
OP has a concern whether his lens is performing as well as good copy of this lens on same body should perform. That is not lust for sharpness, that is simply making sure that what you purchased is not a dud. Two hugely different things and "art" has nothing to do with later one.
How wrong you are - sharpness is just a metaphor of death. Death of the subject in the guillotine of the shutter (Barthes). As I said most of the masterpieces are slightly OOF, but then your only argument is that the OP wants to make sure he gets something for his money.
Only thing I see is lots of fluffed up empty hot air words about art when OP is asking whether his copy is representative of standard performance.

From everything I saw HCB you tried to use to give appearance of credibility to your Holier Than Though arrogant babbling was very meticulous and demanding about condition and performance of his processes and gear. So were many other great artists, whether painters, sculptors, musicians or photographers. So your repeated pompous coming off has no hind legs no stand on.

... and when it comes to sharpness in particular and subjects being slightly OOF, there is an interesting thread going on in medium density forum of GetDPI on why extra resolving power results in higher positive reaction by viewer and how fashion photography benefits from that. Why don't you try presenting your attitude there using same quotes and see what reaction you get from people that do it for living?
 
... and when it comes to sharpness in particular and subjects being slightly OOF, there is an interesting thread going on in medium density forum of GetDPI on why extra resolving power results in higher positive reaction by viewer and how fashion photography benefits from that. Why don't you try presenting your attitude there using same quotes and see what reaction you get from people that do it for living?
Not interested in commercial photography, which is exploiting the lesser parts of photography for money. Fashion is just fetish, and I don't need the money.

Do you mind if I ignore you from now on? I am not very interested in your lack of arguments and midbrow culture.

Am.

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This is good enough for the wide open. Enjoy the lens and take more pictures.
 
Not interested in commercial photography, which is exploiting the lesser parts of photography for money. Fashion is just fetish, and I don't need the money.
It was so predictable you will continue behaving as if you are impersonation of His Holiness or Second Coming. It is so sad that your own photographs you posted strongly indicate you have absolutely nothing to base that pompousness on as you are not even near but on the completely opposite side of quality / art.
Do you mind if I ignore you from now on? I am not very interested in your lack of arguments and midbrow culture.
Don't care if you do, and you should not mind if I don't ignore stench coming from wannabe artists, high nosed elitism in any form is just a bunch of rotting eggs in small space that requires disinfecting.
 

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