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I had my D100 and gear stolen and I have been bouncing back and forth between the D100 and the 10D, not to mention thinking about the D2H. I have been reading all the forum info on the 10D and all the reviews. Every online review has rated the 10D as the better buy and better camera. So I read all the foums, there was a lot in the canon forum about problems with focusing, but then a lot of people saying people didn't know how to use their camera and it was just a few cameras. I had two well known posters who have both cameras e-mail me their take, both suggested the Af focusing and low light abilities of the D100 over the less noise better picture 10d. Well I was still considering the 10D cause all the online reviews were so pro for it. I took a flash card into the big camera store in my area, along with some objects to photograph for comparing the two. One object i took was a blue plastic comb, I wanted to see just how much better these out of camera 10D pictures were. We set the cameras to Jpeg fine and auto and the same or as close to lenses, and everything as equal as possible. Took some pics with the nikon then put the card in the 10D and took some pics. I noticed the comb would not focus clearly like the D100 just did, the teeth just sort of blurred or blended together. The sales rep looked and noticed the same problem, he said we were using cheaper lenses so that could be the trouble. He put on the 16-35, a good lens, and still the same focus trouble. So then he got another 10D and we tried it, still the same thing. The picture was basically clear but the focus was a little off and very noticeable difference on the comb teeth from the Nikon. I could tell the sales person was getting a little frustrated so he said I should just get the D100 again. So out of two 10D's at this camera store both had focus trouble. I think that is pretty high numbers. Listening to some of the people on the Canon forum chastising members who are concerned about their 10D focus for asking or complaining, well maybe you should take another look. cause there does seem to be a problem. If you got a good 10D then good for you, but don't diss those that didn't. It would seem that Canon, and I am sure Nikon as well, makes sure they send a good focusing 10d to the reviewers, but does not take the same care with the ones they sell to the general public. I know you can send the camera and lens into Nikon for focus alighnment, but i do not think that is acceptable for a camera of this value. I am not a troll, I am just a consumer who wants a good digital DSL. I think it is great that Canon came out with the better, cheaper, stronger 10D, but I think they should have been more careful to get it right. Right now I am neither a Nikon owner or a Canon DSL owner, just a concerned potential consumer.
 
............stick with it, however it sounds like you weren't . Otherwise the 10d wouldn't be a consideration for you. You will definitely hear more posters regarding problems with their cameras/lens but nary as many posts from satisfied users.
Pick your poison.
John
greg n said:
I had my D100 and gear stolen and I have been bouncing back and
forth between the D100 and the 10D, not to mention thinking about
the D2H. I have been reading all the forum info on the 10D and all
the reviews. Every online review has rated the 10D as the better
buy and better camera. So I read all the foums, there was a lot in
the canon forum about problems with focusing, but then a lot of
people saying people didn't know how to use their camera and it was
just a few cameras. I had two well known posters who have both
cameras e-mail me their take, both suggested the Af focusing and
low light abilities of the D100 over the less noise better picture
10d. Well I was still considering the 10D cause all the online
reviews were so pro for it. I took a flash card into the big camera
store in my area, along with some objects to photograph for
comparing the two. One object i took was a blue plastic comb, I
wanted to see just how much better these out of camera 10D pictures
were. We set the cameras to Jpeg fine and auto and the same or as
close to lenses, and everything as equal as possible. Took some
pics with the nikon then put the card in the 10D and took some
pics. I noticed the comb would not focus clearly like the D100 just
did, the teeth just sort of blurred or blended together. The sales
rep looked and noticed the same problem, he said we were using
cheaper lenses so that could be the trouble. He put on the 16-35, a
good lens, and still the same focus trouble. So then he got another
10D and we tried it, still the same thing. The picture was
basically clear but the focus was a little off and very noticeable
difference on the comb teeth from the Nikon. I could tell the sales
person was getting a little frustrated so he said I should just get
the D100 again. So out of two 10D's at this camera store both had
focus trouble. I think that is pretty high numbers. Listening to
some of the people on the Canon forum chastising members who are
concerned about their 10D focus for asking or complaining, well
maybe you should take another look. cause there does seem to be a
problem. If you got a good 10D then good for you, but don't diss
those that didn't. It would seem that Canon, and I am sure Nikon as
well, makes sure they send a good focusing 10d to the reviewers,
but does not take the same care with the ones they sell to the
general public. I know you can send the camera and lens into Nikon
for focus alighnment, but i do not think that is acceptable for a
camera of this value. I am not a troll, I am just a consumer who
wants a good digital DSL. I think it is great that Canon came out
with the better, cheaper, stronger 10D, but I think they should
have been more careful to get it right. Right now I am neither a
Nikon owner or a Canon DSL owner, just a concerned potential
consumer.
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greg n said:
I had my D100 and gear stolen and I have been bouncing back and
forth between the D100 and the 10D, not to mention thinking about
the D2H. I have been reading all the forum info on the 10D and all
the reviews. Every online review has rated the 10D as the better
buy and better camera. So I read all the foums, there was a lot in
the canon forum about problems with focusing, but then a lot of
people saying people didn't know how to use their camera and it was
just a few cameras. I had two well known posters who have both
cameras e-mail me their take, both suggested the Af focusing and
low light abilities of the D100 over the less noise better picture
10d. Well I was still considering the 10D cause all the online
reviews were so pro for it. I took a flash card into the big camera
store in my area, along with some objects to photograph for
comparing the two. One object i took was a blue plastic comb, I
wanted to see just how much better these out of camera 10D pictures
were. We set the cameras to Jpeg fine and auto and the same or as
close to lenses, and everything as equal as possible. Took some
pics with the nikon then put the card in the 10D and took some
pics. I noticed the comb would not focus clearly like the D100 just
did, the teeth just sort of blurred or blended together. The sales
rep looked and noticed the same problem, he said we were using
cheaper lenses so that could be the trouble. He put on the 16-35, a
good lens, and still the same focus trouble. So then he got another
10D and we tried it, still the same thing. The picture was
basically clear but the focus was a little off and very noticeable
difference on the comb teeth from the Nikon. I could tell the sales
person was getting a little frustrated so he said I should just get
the D100 again. So out of two 10D's at this camera store both had
focus trouble. I think that is pretty high numbers. Listening to
some of the people on the Canon forum chastising members who are
concerned about their 10D focus for asking or complaining, well
maybe you should take another look. cause there does seem to be a
problem. If you got a good 10D then good for you, but don't diss
those that didn't. It would seem that Canon, and I am sure Nikon as
well, makes sure they send a good focusing 10d to the reviewers,
but does not take the same care with the ones they sell to the
general public. I know you can send the camera and lens into Nikon
for focus alighnment, but i do not think that is acceptable for a
camera of this value. I am not a troll, I am just a consumer who
wants a good digital DSL. I think it is great that Canon came out
with the better, cheaper, stronger 10D, but I think they should
have been more careful to get it right. Right now I am neither a
Nikon owner or a Canon DSL owner, just a concerned potential
consumer.
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I'd love to read what you wrote but it is impossible to follow the small print on this block of text.

Olga
greg n said:
I had my D100 and gear stolen and I have been bouncing back and
forth between the D100 and the 10D, not to mention thinking about
the D2H. I have been reading all the forum info on the 10D and all
the reviews. Every online review has rated the 10D as the better
buy and better camera. So I read all the foums, there was a lot in
the canon forum about problems with focusing, but then a lot of
people saying people didn't know how to use their camera and it was
just a few cameras. I had two well known posters who have both
cameras e-mail me their take, both suggested the Af focusing and
low light abilities of the D100 over the less noise better picture
10d. Well I was still considering the 10D cause all the online
reviews were so pro for it. I took a flash card into the big camera
store in my area, along with some objects to photograph for
comparing the two. One object i took was a blue plastic comb, I
wanted to see just how much better these out of camera 10D pictures
were. We set the cameras to Jpeg fine and auto and the same or as
close to lenses, and everything as equal as possible. Took some
pics with the nikon then put the card in the 10D and took some
pics. I noticed the comb would not focus clearly like the D100 just
did, the teeth just sort of blurred or blended together. The sales
rep looked and noticed the same problem, he said we were using
cheaper lenses so that could be the trouble. He put on the 16-35, a
good lens, and still the same focus trouble. So then he got another
10D and we tried it, still the same thing. The picture was
basically clear but the focus was a little off and very noticeable
difference on the comb teeth from the Nikon. I could tell the sales
person was getting a little frustrated so he said I should just get
the D100 again. So out of two 10D's at this camera store both had
focus trouble. I think that is pretty high numbers. Listening to
some of the people on the Canon forum chastising members who are
concerned about their 10D focus for asking or complaining, well
maybe you should take another look. cause there does seem to be a
problem. If you got a good 10D then good for you, but don't diss
those that didn't. It would seem that Canon, and I am sure Nikon as
well, makes sure they send a good focusing 10d to the reviewers,
but does not take the same care with the ones they sell to the
general public. I know you can send the camera and lens into Nikon
for focus alighnment, but i do not think that is acceptable for a
camera of this value. I am not a troll, I am just a consumer who
wants a good digital DSL. I think it is great that Canon came out
with the better, cheaper, stronger 10D, but I think they should
have been more careful to get it right. Right now I am neither a
Nikon owner or a Canon DSL owner, just a concerned potential
consumer.
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I know who you are and I know your not a troll. I am a die hard Canon fan. I will also admit I am not a Nikon fan. But! There is no doubt in my mind there is a problem with the 10D focusing. I had 2 and went back to a D60. There will be people telling you its user error or Lenses. People just dont want to hear theres a problem with there Canon product and will make every excuse in the book not to see it. Bottom line is the 10D is soft and overexposes. Also blows out the highlites very easily. I wish more people would jump on and complain to Canon so they could change things but they wont. I would love to have another 10D but after 2 would the same results no way. I am sure I will get flamed but this is my opinion.
greg n said:
I had my D100 and gear stolen and I have been bouncing back and
forth between the D100 and the 10D, not to mention thinking about
the D2H. I have been reading all the forum info on the 10D and all
the reviews. Every online review has rated the 10D as the better
buy and better camera. So I read all the foums, there was a lot in
the canon forum about problems with focusing, but then a lot of
people saying people didn't know how to use their camera and it was
just a few cameras. I had two well known posters who have both
cameras e-mail me their take, both suggested the Af focusing and
low light abilities of the D100 over the less noise better picture
10d. Well I was still considering the 10D cause all the online
reviews were so pro for it. I took a flash card into the big camera
store in my area, along with some objects to photograph for
comparing the two. One object i took was a blue plastic comb, I
wanted to see just how much better these out of camera 10D pictures
were. We set the cameras to Jpeg fine and auto and the same or as
close to lenses, and everything as equal as possible. Took some
pics with the nikon then put the card in the 10D and took some
pics. I noticed the comb would not focus clearly like the D100 just
did, the teeth just sort of blurred or blended together. The sales
rep looked and noticed the same problem, he said we were using
cheaper lenses so that could be the trouble. He put on the 16-35, a
good lens, and still the same focus trouble. So then he got another
10D and we tried it, still the same thing. The picture was
basically clear but the focus was a little off and very noticeable
difference on the comb teeth from the Nikon. I could tell the sales
person was getting a little frustrated so he said I should just get
the D100 again. So out of two 10D's at this camera store both had
focus trouble. I think that is pretty high numbers. Listening to
some of the people on the Canon forum chastising members who are
concerned about their 10D focus for asking or complaining, well
maybe you should take another look. cause there does seem to be a
problem. If you got a good 10D then good for you, but don't diss
those that didn't. It would seem that Canon, and I am sure Nikon as
well, makes sure they send a good focusing 10d to the reviewers,
but does not take the same care with the ones they sell to the
general public. I know you can send the camera and lens into Nikon
for focus alighnment, but i do not think that is acceptable for a
camera of this value. I am not a troll, I am just a consumer who
wants a good digital DSL. I think it is great that Canon came out
with the better, cheaper, stronger 10D, but I think they should
have been more careful to get it right. Right now I am neither a
Nikon owner or a Canon DSL owner, just a concerned potential
consumer.
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I don't suppose your dealer would send one of those units down to PearlRider in Houston, TX for a few weeks, eh? Heck, send both!

I'm afraid to go test the Nikon D2H when it comes out.

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I am sorry the format is so bad and no paragraphs. you are right I was a little dissapointed with the final pictures from the D100 and the compare shots that i saw, the Canon looked so much better, I was just really dissapointed today to look at two 10D and both had focus trouble, I do like the camera. I just feel there does seem to be an issue, but those that don't have a bad camera seem to be critisizing or questioning those that do. Also I know you are right the squeaky wheel gets the grease, almost all just hear complaints, again I think i was just really let down today.
johnd1 said:
greg n said:
I had my D100 and gear stolen and I have been bouncing back and
forth between the D100 and the 10D, not to mention thinking about
the D2H. I have been reading all the forum info on the 10D and all
the reviews. Every online review has rated the 10D as the better
buy and better camera. So I read all the foums, there was a lot in
the canon forum about problems with focusing, but then a lot of
people saying people didn't know how to use their camera and it was
just a few cameras. I had two well known posters who have both
cameras e-mail me their take, both suggested the Af focusing and
low light abilities of the D100 over the less noise better picture
10d. Well I was still considering the 10D cause all the online
reviews were so pro for it. I took a flash card into the big camera
store in my area, along with some objects to photograph for
comparing the two. One object i took was a blue plastic comb, I
wanted to see just how much better these out of camera 10D pictures
were. We set the cameras to Jpeg fine and auto and the same or as
close to lenses, and everything as equal as possible. Took some
pics with the nikon then put the card in the 10D and took some
pics. I noticed the comb would not focus clearly like the D100 just
did, the teeth just sort of blurred or blended together. The sales
rep looked and noticed the same problem, he said we were using
cheaper lenses so that could be the trouble. He put on the 16-35, a
good lens, and still the same focus trouble. So then he got another
10D and we tried it, still the same thing. The picture was
basically clear but the focus was a little off and very noticeable
difference on the comb teeth from the Nikon. I could tell the sales
person was getting a little frustrated so he said I should just get
the D100 again. So out of two 10D's at this camera store both had
focus trouble. I think that is pretty high numbers. Listening to
some of the people on the Canon forum chastising members who are
concerned about their 10D focus for asking or complaining, well
maybe you should take another look. cause there does seem to be a
problem. If you got a good 10D then good for you, but don't diss
those that didn't. It would seem that Canon, and I am sure Nikon as
well, makes sure they send a good focusing 10d to the reviewers,
but does not take the same care with the ones they sell to the
general public. I know you can send the camera and lens into Nikon
for focus alighnment, but i do not think that is acceptable for a
camera of this value. I am not a troll, I am just a consumer who
wants a good digital DSL. I think it is great that Canon came out
with the better, cheaper, stronger 10D, but I think they should
have been more careful to get it right. Right now I am neither a
Nikon owner or a Canon DSL owner, just a concerned potential
consumer.
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greg n said:
I had my D100 and gear stolen and I have been bouncing back and
forth between the D100 and the 10D, not to mention thinking about
the D2H. I have been reading all the forum info on the 10D and all
the reviews. Every online review has rated the 10D as the better
buy and better camera. So I read all the foums, there was a lot in
the canon forum about problems with focusing, but then a lot of
people saying people didn't know how to use their camera and it was
just a few cameras. I had two well known posters who have both
cameras e-mail me their take, both suggested the Af focusing and
low light abilities of the D100 over the less noise better picture
10d. Well I was still considering the 10D cause all the online
reviews were so pro for it. I took a flash card into the big camera
store in my area, along with some objects to photograph for
comparing the two. One object i took was a blue plastic comb, I
wanted to see just how much better these out of camera 10D pictures
were. We set the cameras to Jpeg fine and auto and the same or as
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Hi Greg. Should you decide to retest one, try setting it in another mode besides AUTO as stated above. In auto, it uses all focus sensors and...well it's a machine. Get the saleperson to set it on center focuse only and then try it out. Good luck with whatever choice you make... i.j.
 
Greg,

I don't get involved in the 10D AF issues anymore.. (and I have both a D30 and a 10D).. I really don't discuss/argue about them (AF 10D issues) but I couldn't help but notice that you have been a member of this forum for 3 years. So, during that time, you have seen all the 10D AF focus posts, flame wars, etc.. I just wondered what you were thinking when you made this post? You know what kind of fire and brimstone it will draw but you did it anyway. You also know that It will do nothing but stir up the usual suspects on both sides of the trenches... producing another thread of argument of the 10D AF.

Nothing gets solved here.. Did you write Canon? That is where your energy should be focused... not here.

I am not suggesting you be censored by any means.. I was just curious how someone who has been around as long as you could fall into this bottomless pit of AF threads on this forum... it will not help the situation.

No flame, no anger.. just curious.

Jim Radcliffe
http://www.image36.com

The ability to 'see' the shot is more important than the gear you use to take the shot.
 
Jim you are right, I think this was more of a response to my dissapointment this afternoon, I was pretty well set to get the 10d. I personally believe Nikon and Canon both make excellent products, both have different lenses some better some not. I was just looking forward to the 10D, had been following the forum discussion went to get one and then just got let down. so now I am back at the start.

I appriciate your comments though and Smith above. I guess some of us just want to talk it out with people here before we spend a ton of money, it's not like you can discuss it with other people who know nothing of DSL's let alone digital. You can get a lot of feed back here, and most of the time it's on a polite level. I like to think we can dissagree but still give our points. I mean any pro will admit there are pro's and con's to both Nikon and Canon.

In any case I just look forward to getting back to taking pictures. My sister is getting married in six weeks so i have to get another system set up.
Jim Radcliffe said:
Greg,

I don't get involved in the 10D AF issues anymore.. (and I have
both a D30 and a 10D).. I really don't discuss/argue about them
(AF 10D issues) but I couldn't help but notice that you have been a
member of this forum for 3 years. So, during that time, you have
seen all the 10D AF focus posts, flame wars, etc.. I just wondered
what you were thinking when you made this post? You know what kind
of fire and brimstone it will draw but you did it anyway. You also
know that It will do nothing but stir up the usual suspects on both
sides of the trenches... producing another thread of argument of
the 10D AF.

Nothing gets solved here.. Did you write Canon? That is where your
energy should be focused... not here.

I am not suggesting you be censored by any means.. I was just
curious how someone who has been around as long as you could fall
into this bottomless pit of AF threads on this forum... it will not
help the situation.

No flame, no anger.. just curious.

Jim Radcliffe
http://www.image36.com
The ability to 'see' the shot is more important than the gear you
use to take the shot.
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Are you glad you knew about the potential issue before you made your purchase decision and did the testing at the camera store?
greg n said:
Jim you are right, I think this was more of a response to my
dissapointment this afternoon, I was pretty well set to get the
10d. I personally believe Nikon and Canon both make excellent
products, both have different lenses some better some not. I was
just looking forward to the 10D, had been following the forum
discussion went to get one and then just got let down. so now I am
back at the start.

I appriciate your comments though and Smith above. I guess some of
us just want to talk it out with people here before we spend a ton
of money, it's not like you can discuss it with other people who
know nothing of DSL's let alone digital. You can get a lot of feed
back here, and most of the time it's on a polite level. I like to
think we can dissagree but still give our points. I mean any pro
will admit there are pro's and con's to both Nikon and Canon.

In any case I just look forward to getting back to taking pictures.
My sister is getting married in six weeks so i have to get another
system set up.
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Hey Greg

I'm also considering getting a 10D, so I'm wondering...you said you brought a flash card with you into the store. Do you still have the test images you shot? I'm curious to see them.
 
I realized that the hundreds of misfocused shots I deleted were not user errors.

I cannot comment on others' cameras. I don't know if it's design flaw or random QC issue. But my camera does randomly misfocus.

I have hundreds of tack-sharp pictures taken with my 10D.

But I don't have hundreds of blurry sub-1MP-quality pictures taken with my 10D. I have been deleting them and blaming myself.

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I was not really thinking about the focus issue when i went, i more just thinking about comparing the pictures between the two. I was so impressed by a post a while back that compared the two cameras, I think it was Clint, anyways i was so impressed by the 10D pictures that I was thinking I wanted to replace my D100 with that, and get a change and all for fun.

The focus problem with two 10D's in a row made me feel pretty let down. I don't even know if that is the main focus problem that people have been talking about.Though as one poster mentioned, I should have had the sales person make sure it was on center focus. I just asked him to make all the settings as close as possible.

To answer your question, I guess I was glad to have read all the info on the forum, I do think you get a different type of review than the pro online reviews. I think those guys are hard pressed to give any high-end Nikon or Canon a great review. All of the top end DSL's from Nikon and Canon get the same top marks. Maybe they do deserve them, I am not in the know enough to know. But when you read user reviews, they don't always get the same top marks and that is when you average out those reviews. So in that case i sometimes think you very useful info from the forums as well. Though you should check the source at times and not go by just anyones personal loyalty or dissloyalty. I am going off topic in any case.
DavidP said:
greg n said:
Jim you are right, I think this was more of a response to my
dissapointment this afternoon, I was pretty well set to get the
10d. I personally believe Nikon and Canon both make excellent
products, both have different lenses some better some not. I was
just looking forward to the 10D, had been following the forum
discussion went to get one and then just got let down. so now I am
back at the start.

I appriciate your comments though and Smith above. I guess some of
us just want to talk it out with people here before we spend a ton
of money, it's not like you can discuss it with other people who
know nothing of DSL's let alone digital. You can get a lot of feed
back here, and most of the time it's on a polite level. I like to
think we can dissagree but still give our points. I mean any pro
will admit there are pro's and con's to both Nikon and Canon.

In any case I just look forward to getting back to taking pictures.
My sister is getting married in six weeks so i have to get another
system set up.
Click to expand...
--
The Lowest Paid Concert Photographer Around
http://www.neonlightsimaging.com/artshow/final.htm
Photography -- just another word for compromise

'Since we can't keep crime in check, why don't we legalize it and
tax it out of business?' -- Will Rogers
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I do not have the card anymore, I gave it back to my Dad for his G1. I did not bother keeping the pictures cause it was not a fair test cause the focus was not working right on the 10d. Don't get me wrong, as I said in my first post I believe the 10D is the best camera going in it's class, but i do think there is a quality check missing on Canon's part and an unusuallylarge amount of 10D's have left the factory with the focus not calibrated right. If you do get one that is right, then as you can see by posts and reviews it is a great camera. I am just frustrated that when you spend that kind of money you may have to keep taking it back or sending it in to Canon to get it right. By the way the too respected and noted posters that replied to me, both said the D100 and the 10D are excellent cameras. this is a good link.

http://www.anestoday.com/epson2200/D100vs10D.htm
Thomas Back said:
Hey Greg

I'm also considering getting a 10D, so I'm wondering...you said you
brought a flash card with you into the store. Do you still have the
test images you shot? I'm curious to see them.
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