Sigma SD9 Saga continues

[clicks]

All right,

Let's continue if anyone wants to.

Be a good sport guys. And remember please, that Nikon, Fuji, Canon, and Sigma, are Japanese companies who capitalize on us poor artists. So please take it easy, they wouldn't know even if you die defending them.

 

[clicks]

I'll try my best, but can't promise you anything worthy.

Will write later.

==============

Hmmm, no comparison, huh? I was really more interested in knowing what you thought about the image quality of these compared to the SD9's characteristics than I was an analysis of the aesthetics, psychology and composition of the photos.

And yes, the SD9 can produce selective depth of field, though an advantage in that area might go to the 10D with its higher ISO capability, which gives you the ability to get more depth of field in some situations than would be possible when limited to ISO 400, which, by the way is the ISO used for that shot.

Now come on - take a stab at a comparison between these images and the SD9. I'm really curious to see what you think.

Dan

 

[stef_fr]

Pepsi max is better than diet coke
But coke is better than Pepsi

You disagree ? Prove it

It is just a question of taste ! I think you can't compare them !

and you can't compare pictures taken in different conditions by different photographers

...

All right,

Let's continue if anyone wants to.
Be a good sport guys. And remember please, that Nikon, Fuji, Canon,
and Sigma, are Japanese companies who capitalize on us poor
artists. So please take it easy, they wouldn't know even if you die
defending them.

--
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http://www.pbase.com/stef_fr

 

[Dominic Groß]

Hmmm, no comparison, huh? I was really more interested in knowing
what you thought about the image quality of these compared to the
SD9's characteristics than I was an analysis of the aesthetics,
psychology and composition of the photos.

I am not sure why clickdotinc posted no comparison but I would not do one by looking on downsized images.

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[Dominic Groß]

You disagree ? Prove it

It is just a question of taste ! I think you can't compare them !

and you can't compare pictures taken in different conditions by
different photographers

...

All right,

Let's continue if anyone wants to.
Be a good sport guys. And remember please, that Nikon, Fuji, Canon,
and Sigma, are Japanese companies who capitalize on us poor
artists. So please take it easy, they wouldn't know even if you die
defending them.

--
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http://www.pbase.com/stef_fr

--
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[Adam-T]

TRY the 10D, 1D, 1DS, SD9, D100, D1X, S2 and DCS14N and SEE for yourself which you like the best as a TOOL as well - you can get arguments on a million forums going til you are blue in the face (and the forum members are RED in the face) but none of it will help you fine YOUR perfect camera..

I'm sure that you're not a Troll, just someone who has too much choice and doesn't want to make the wrong move..

For the sake of the Future and this is no disrespect to the SD9 but I'd personally stick with a camera based on a Canon or Nikon lens mount - camera bodies come and go.. and limit it to between the Fuji S2 and the 10D unless you can afford one of the Pro bodies like the 1D or D1X as they to me anyway have the best image quality especially in JPG mode .. I hated the operation of the S2 but many love it.

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[Tony Ku]

Your samples are over-saturated... but i think it looks like film because of that, since most good lside film shots are done with Fuji Velvia (very saturated film, renders green very well).

Here, take a look at my gallery for the RMNP trip:

http://photography.consultku.com/rocky

I did adjust these photographs to my liking, which includes saturation, etc.

All right,

Let's continue if anyone wants to.
Be a good sport guys. And remember please, that Nikon, Fuji, Canon,
and Sigma, are Japanese companies who capitalize on us poor
artists. So please take it easy, they wouldn't know even if you die
defending them.

--
Gallery: http://violin.deviantart.com/gallery

 

[grendel2000]

Pepsi Max??? I live in Puerto Rico and may well be out of the loop, but what the heck is Pepsi Max???

You disagree ? Prove it

It is just a question of taste ! I think you can't compare them !

and you can't compare pictures taken in different conditions by
different photographers

...

All right,

Let's continue if anyone wants to.
Be a good sport guys. And remember please, that Nikon, Fuji, Canon,
and Sigma, are Japanese companies who capitalize on us poor
artists. So please take it easy, they wouldn't know even if you die
defending them.

--
Stéphan (from France)
http://www.pbase.com/stef_fr

 

[C.P]

All right,

Let's continue if anyone wants to.
Be a good sport guys. And remember please, that Nikon, Fuji, Canon,
and Sigma, are Japanese companies who capitalize on us poor
artists. So please take it easy, they wouldn't know even if you die
defending them.

Sorry,but I honestly fail to see why you keep posting this.You wanted to compare both cameras,right?So you got a lot of samples already.

Now you are re-starting this whole thread again.Why? I really don't understand it,sorry.

There's no magic word,or magic picture that will apear in front of you,I'm afraid.The samples,links,advices and pictures posted are more than enough for YOU to evaluate what is best for YOU.It's all about taste.

It's in YOUR hands now.YOU decide.

Clay P.
--
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[Michael Salzlechner]

you can live with all the limitations.

Show me some pictures with the SD9 taken at ice skating rink ISO 1000 at F2.8 at 200mm of a skater making a nice jump and i am all ears. No can do hmmm ...

Or lets see those avian shots with that Sigma 600 F4 IS ?

The Sigma certainly has its niche but a lot of photog's need to do more than just niche photography.

Whoever is ok with how far you can go with the SD9 and is happy with the results should buy the sigma. Whoever enjoys to use a D100 or D1X or 1D or 1DS should get that one.

Now grow up and if you can afford it buy whatever camera you think fits YOU best. There is no camera that will be the best for everybody.

--
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[clicks]

Tony,

I like the picture of the birds:
http://photography.consultku.com/rocky/bird.htm

And all of those pics with white water which brings it alive.

Other than that, roaring clouds are not roaring.

And it seems as though I always see a bright metallic overcast on most un-film-like pictures.

But that picture of the bird is excellent.

Here, take a look at my gallery for the RMNP trip:

http://photography.consultku.com/rocky

I did adjust these photographs to my liking, which includes
saturation, etc.

All right,

Let's continue if anyone wants to.
Be a good sport guys. And remember please, that Nikon, Fuji, Canon,
and Sigma, are Japanese companies who capitalize on us poor
artists. So please take it easy, they wouldn't know even if you die
defending them.

--
Gallery: http://violin.deviantart.com/gallery

 

[stef_fr]

Maybe it is just in europe ... I know it exists in England and in France. It is a diet pepsi. We do not have diet pepsi in france.

You disagree ? Prove it

It is just a question of taste ! I think you can't compare them !

and you can't compare pictures taken in different conditions by
different photographers

...

All right,

Let's continue if anyone wants to.
Be a good sport guys. And remember please, that Nikon, Fuji, Canon,
and Sigma, are Japanese companies who capitalize on us poor
artists. So please take it easy, they wouldn't know even if you die
defending them.

--
Stéphan (from France)
http://www.pbase.com/stef_fr

--
Stéphan (from France)
http://www.pbase.com/stef_fr

 

[Dan Ferrin]

That's a valid point, but most of his previous comparisons and evaluations were made on downsized images, so I wouldn't want to see the criteria change here.

Dan

Hmmm, no comparison, huh? I was really more interested in knowing
what you thought about the image quality of these compared to the
SD9's characteristics than I was an analysis of the aesthetics,
psychology and composition of the photos.

I am not sure why clickdotinc posted no comparison but I would not
do one by looking on downsized images.

--
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please don't run away because of the cheap design of the first page
ICQ UIN: 289647506

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[clicks]

Hi Dan,

I can't do much.

The last picture, nothing to talk about because even the focused half has no clairty. Nothing to say except interesting compostition.

The 3rd picture, I didn't like it. Nothing to talk about. The yellow flower seems superficial, and the greens are too much in Chaos. I think the SD9 would ease out the grass a bit, while still showing details.

Second picture, colors of purple and green are so wonderful here. And that's it. SD9 may or may not be better in this situation, but I know it will be a bit softer, yet with as much details.

First one looks like a digital cut of the house and shadow pasted on a nice smooth green back ground.

I know you are showing off depth of field, but I tell ya, it's not comparable. Something about SD9 textures what would jump out and speak to you.

I'll try my best, but can't promise you anything worthy.

Will write later.

==============

Hmmm, no comparison, huh? I was really more interested in knowing
what you thought about the image quality of these compared to the
SD9's characteristics than I was an analysis of the aesthetics,
psychology and composition of the photos.

And yes, the SD9 can produce selective depth of field, though an
advantage in that area might go to the 10D with its higher ISO
capability, which gives you the ability to get more depth of field
in some situations than would be possible when limited to ISO 400,
which, by the way is the ISO used for that shot.

Now come on - take a stab at a comparison between these images and
the SD9. I'm really curious to see what you think.

Dan

 

[Dan Ferrin]

For ease of discussion, I've included the four images below, in the same sequence as the previous thread.

I'm rather astounded that, for all the fuss you've made about how filmlike the SD9 is that you didn't recognize immediately that one or more of these was shot with film, not digital. Care to hazard a wild guess on that question???









Dan

I can't do much.

The last picture, nothing to talk about because even the focused
half has no clairty. Nothing to say except interesting compostition.

The 3rd picture, I didn't like it. Nothing to talk about. The
yellow flower seems superficial, and the greens are too much in
Chaos. I think the SD9 would ease out the grass a bit, while still
showing details.

Second picture, colors of purple and green are so wonderful here.
And that's it. SD9 may or may not be better in this situation, but
I know it will be a bit softer, yet with as much details.

First one looks like a digital cut of the house and shadow pasted
on a nice smooth green back ground.

I know you are showing off depth of field, but I tell ya, it's not
comparable. Something about SD9 textures what would jump out and
speak to you.

I'll try my best, but can't promise you anything worthy.

Will write later.

==============

Hmmm, no comparison, huh? I was really more interested in knowing
what you thought about the image quality of these compared to the
SD9's characteristics than I was an analysis of the aesthetics,
psychology and composition of the photos.

And yes, the SD9 can produce selective depth of field, though an
advantage in that area might go to the 10D with its higher ISO
capability, which gives you the ability to get more depth of field
in some situations than would be possible when limited to ISO 400,
which, by the way is the ISO used for that shot.

Now come on - take a stab at a comparison between these images and
the SD9. I'm really curious to see what you think.

Dan

--
I must be a photographer - I keep running around in circles of confusion.

 

[Teski]

I fully agree with Adam. It's the lens system, not the body. Everyone is attracted to the functions of the body, obviously, as it's the thing you interface with, but you will upgrade the body over time. The lenses will last you forever.

So, if you dump a bunch of money in Sigma, and decide to move to Canon or Nikon, you'll have to sell all of your Sigma lenses that only work on the Sigma mount. Guarantee you will lose a ton of money on this. They will not hold their valiue like the Nikon and Canon lenses will.

Hey Adam...Can you shoot me an e-mail? You don't have an address published, but I had a couple questions for ya. My address is in my profile.

Teski

TRY the 10D, 1D, 1DS, SD9, D100, D1X, S2 and DCS14N and SEE for
yourself which you like the best as a TOOL as well - you can get
arguments on a million forums going til you are blue in the face
(and the forum members are RED in the face) but none of it will
help you fine YOUR perfect camera..

I'm sure that you're not a Troll, just someone who has too much
choice and doesn't want to make the wrong move..

For the sake of the Future and this is no disrespect to the SD9 but
I'd personally stick with a camera based on a Canon or Nikon lens
mount - camera bodies come and go.. and limit it to between the
Fuji S2 and the 10D unless you can afford one of the Pro bodies
like the 1D or D1X as they to me anyway have the best image quality
especially in JPG mode .. I hated the operation of the S2 but many
love it.

--
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The No1 Dedicated 1D forum in the UK -------->

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[Dan Ferrin]

Absolutely. I'm still using I've purchased for over the past fifteen years for a succession of EOS cameras, starting with a 620 and now including a 10D, Elan 7E and EOS 3. I know that any Canon lens I buy now or next year will still work on the cameras I now have as well as whatever the next digital Canon I buy might be. So far I have no L glass, but already have at least two thousand dollars in lenses. When you add in the 550EX, STE2, off camera shoe cords, remote cable releases, etc., it is a pretty significant investment. I sure wouldn't want to be trying to sell it and replace it with another brand. And I d* n sure wouldn't want to be trying to sell Sigma stuff in a couple of years to replace with Nikon or Canon gear. Unless of course I needed a large depreciation loss for tax purposes.

Dan

So, if you dump a bunch of money in Sigma, and decide to move to
Canon or Nikon, you'll have to sell all of your Sigma lenses that
only work on the Sigma mount. Guarantee you will lose a ton of
money on this. They will not hold their valiue like the Nikon and
Canon lenses will.

Hey Adam...Can you shoot me an e-mail? You don't have an address
published, but I had a couple questions for ya. My address is in
my profile.

Teski

TRY the 10D, 1D, 1DS, SD9, D100, D1X, S2 and DCS14N and SEE for
yourself which you like the best as a TOOL as well - you can get
arguments on a million forums going til you are blue in the face
(and the forum members are RED in the face) but none of it will
help you fine YOUR perfect camera..

I'm sure that you're not a Troll, just someone who has too much
choice and doesn't want to make the wrong move..

For the sake of the Future and this is no disrespect to the SD9 but
I'd personally stick with a camera based on a Canon or Nikon lens
mount - camera bodies come and go.. and limit it to between the
Fuji S2 and the 10D unless you can afford one of the Pro bodies
like the 1D or D1X as they to me anyway have the best image quality
especially in JPG mode .. I hated the operation of the S2 but many
love it.

--
Please ignore the Typos, I'm the world's worst Typist

The No1 Dedicated 1D forum in the UK -------->

http://www.1dforum.co.uk/php/phpBB2/

--
I must be a photographer - I keep running around in circles of confusion.

 

[Daniel Jackson]

All right,

Let's continue if anyone wants to.
Be a good sport guys. And remember please, that Nikon, Fuji, Canon,
and Sigma, are Japanese companies who capitalize on us poor
artists. So please take it easy, they wouldn't know even if you die
defending them.

In the 1st post you linked to two photos. They look flat and lacking contrast. Is that a trademark of the sigma?
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[clicks]

Hi Dan,

If there were any post processing done, I would not be able to tell. And could also mean a bad film shot.

 

[clicks]

Sometimes an artist choose certain tone to express. I don't know if that's a trademark or not, but there are many other beautiful SD9 pics for you to look at, and determine that yourself.

All right,

Let's continue if anyone wants to.
Be a good sport guys. And remember please, that Nikon, Fuji, Canon,
and Sigma, are Japanese companies who capitalize on us poor
artists. So please take it easy, they wouldn't know even if you die
defending them.

In the 1st post you linked to two photos. They look flat and
lacking contrast. Is that a trademark of the sigma?
--
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