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[JDR1429]

I think before I spend $$ on a new R8, try the R7 with DXO noise reduction. Back in the day, 2017, I photographed my son's college football games with the 7D2 and the 100-400. I usually underexposed by 2/3 of a stop which allowed either higher shutter speed or lower iso depending. I'm constantly going back and using DXO to make them better. My ISO was usually around 3200 or 4000 but with today's NR, I wouldn't be afraid to push it.

 

[Zeee]

I think before I spend $$ on a new R8, try the R7 with DXO noise reduction. Back in the day, 2017, I photographed my son's college football games with the 7D2 and the 100-400. I usually underexposed by 2/3 of a stop which allowed either higher shutter speed or lower iso depending. I'm constantly going back and using DXO to make them better. My ISO was usually around 3200 or 4000 but with today's NR, I wouldn't be afraid to push it.

If you use Adobe Denoise AI you only have to go back once to make them look better.

 

[Zeee]

I think before I spend $$ on a new R8, try the R7 with DXO noise reduction. Back in the day, 2017, I photographed my son's college football games with the 7D2 and the 100-400. I usually underexposed by 2/3 of a stop which allowed either higher shutter speed or lower iso depending. I'm constantly going back and using DXO to make them better. My ISO was usually around 3200 or 4000 but with today's NR, I wouldn't be afraid to push it.

In 2009 I shot a nighttime football game with my 7D and 300mm F4 IS. That night I learned the meaning of a fast lens. What I would haven given for one more stop. I had no choice and shot at ISO 12,800 just to keep the shutter at about 1/500. I didn't have any Denoise apps but I was surprised how nicely PS cleaned them up.







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[Zeee]

I think before I spend $$ on a new R8, try the R7 with DXO noise reduction. Back in the day, 2017, I photographed my son's college football games with the 7D2 and the 100-400. I usually underexposed by 2/3 of a stop which allowed either higher shutter speed or lower iso depending. I'm constantly going back and using DXO to make them better. My ISO was usually around 3200 or 4000 but with today's NR, I wouldn't be afraid to push it.

In 2009 I shot a nighttime football game with my 7D and 300mm F4 IS. That night I learned the meaning of a fast lens. What I would haven given for one more stop. I had no choice and shot at ISO 12,800 just to keep the shutter at about 1/500. I didn't have any Denoise apps but I was surprised how nicely PS cleaned them up.

I went back to 2009 and exported the undeveloped file using DPP for the EXIF.









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[JDR1429]

"Constantly going back" refers to different photos. Not the same photo.

 

[Zeee]

"Constantly going back" refers to different photos. Not the same photo.

I know. I was just kidding. :-D Nice work.

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[Zeee]

I think before I spend $$ on a new R8, try the R7 with DXO noise reduction. Back in the day, 2017, I photographed my son's college football games with the 7D2 and the 100-400. I usually underexposed by 2/3 of a stop which allowed either higher shutter speed or lower iso depending. I'm constantly going back and using DXO to make them better. My ISO was usually around 3200 or 4000 but with today's NR, I wouldn't be afraid to push it.

In 2009 I shot a nighttime football game with my 7D and 300mm F4 IS. That night I learned the meaning of a fast lens. What I would haven given for one more stop. I had no choice and shot at ISO 12,800 just to keep the shutter at about 1/500. I didn't have any Denoise apps but I was surprised how nicely PS cleaned them up.

I went back to 2009 and exported the undeveloped file using DPP for the EXIF.

So after all those years I decided to try this one out with LrC which I didn't start using until 2011. I put a lot of work into it back then. Today I only did two things. Ran Denoise AI and applied Adobe Adaptive Color profile. While I could have gone through my usual workflow and put more into it I just to see what I'd get with minimal editing. I might have applied Topaz Sharpen AI (which I don't often use) for a real edit. As you can see the blur in the hands and feet but I would have just masked the face with had a little motion blur as well. We are lucky to have these amazing tools these not matter which company we use.







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[R2D2]

I think before I spend $$ on a new R8, try the R7 with DXO noise reduction. Back in the day, 2017, I photographed my son's college football games with the 7D2 and the 100-400. I usually underexposed by 2/3 of a stop which allowed either higher shutter speed or lower iso depending. I'm constantly going back and using DXO to make them better. My ISO was usually around 3200 or 4000 but with today's NR, I wouldn't be afraid to push it.

In 2009 I shot a nighttime football game with my 7D and 300mm F4 IS. That night I learned the meaning of a fast lens. What I would haven given for one more stop. I had no choice and shot at ISO 12,800 just to keep the shutter at about 1/500. I didn't have any Denoise apps but I was surprised how nicely PS cleaned them up.

I went back to 2009 and exported the undeveloped file using DPP for the EXIF.

So after all those years I decided to try this one out with LrC which I didn't start using until 2011. I put a lot of work into it back then. Today I only did two things. Ran Denoise AI and applied Adobe Adaptive Color profile. While I could have gone through my usual workflow and put more into it I just to see what I'd get with minimal editing. I might have applied Topaz Sharpen AI (which I don't often use) for a real edit. As you can see the blur in the hands and feet but I would have just masked the face with had a little motion blur as well. We are lucky to have these amazing tools these not matter which company we use.

+3 It's so much fun going back and reprocessing old photos with DxO and seeing the incredible improvement! That's going to be my winter project this year!

R2

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[Zeee]

I think before I spend $$ on a new R8, try the R7 with DXO noise reduction. Back in the day, 2017, I photographed my son's college football games with the 7D2 and the 100-400. I usually underexposed by 2/3 of a stop which allowed either higher shutter speed or lower iso depending. I'm constantly going back and using DXO to make them better. My ISO was usually around 3200 or 4000 but with today's NR, I wouldn't be afraid to push it.

In 2009 I shot a nighttime football game with my 7D and 300mm F4 IS. That night I learned the meaning of a fast lens. What I would haven given for one more stop. I had no choice and shot at ISO 12,800 just to keep the shutter at about 1/500. I didn't have any Denoise apps but I was surprised how nicely PS cleaned them up.

I went back to 2009 and exported the undeveloped file using DPP for the EXIF.

So after all those years I decided to try this one out with LrC which I didn't start using until 2011. I put a lot of work into it back then. Today I only did two things. Ran Denoise AI and applied Adobe Adaptive Color profile. While I could have gone through my usual workflow and put more into it I just to see what I'd get with minimal editing. I might have applied Topaz Sharpen AI (which I don't often use) for a real edit. As you can see the blur in the hands and feet but I would have just masked the face with had a little motion blur as well. We are lucky to have these amazing tools these not matter which company we use.

+3 It's so much fun going back and reprocessing old photos with DxO and seeing the incredible improvement! That's going to be my winter project this year!

R2

Yes that is fun to do. My favourite to day is a ISO 20000 file. I wouldn't wall mount it but for having fun posting on a few site more dedicate to photos it works. Having a goof exposure helps a lot.



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[Vikingod]

I have a 5DIV (and 5D classis and 80D) and recently picked up an R5II. For what you're doing I don't think I'd ever go back to a DSLR. The autofocus is too good on the mirrorless cameras. Given the software denoising we have these days, I'd 100% of the time take the autofocus improvements we get with mirrorless.

If you really can't deal with the noise, get a good used FF mirrorless camera, which is likely to perform better with noise and have good autofocus. Or... get a fast telephoto lense and use the camera you have now. There are reportedly a couple of EF 200MM 2.0f affordable telephotos coming out from 3rd parties soon.

 

[2ndact scene1]

Thank you for that thorough response, Andy. My main issue is noise at those levels and I am shooting .jpg. I know, I know, RAW is better, but, as I mentioned, I'm not a pro and I don't have a lot of time to process the photos from the games.

If you want to use the "out of camera" photos you could shoot RAW, pull the RAW images into DxO PhotoLab, and "edit" the first image - simply by turning on DeepPrime 3 or the DeepPrime XD (depends on how bad the noise is), then right click - Copy "Copy Correction Settings", highlight the rest of your shots (whether it be 10 or 500), right click "Paste Correction Settings", and it will apply whatever you have done to the first one to the rest. This process shouldn't take more than 5 minutes maximum, probably less (assuming no viewing or culling of other shots.

Then select all images and "Export to Disc" as JPEG, and walk away for a coffee. When you return you will have every shot in JPEG (with all noise removed) with lens corrections, a degree of camera+lens specific sharpening applied, and whatever else you wanted. You could then review the photos, cull them out, and if you wanted to display or print some, then do selective further processing on those only.

DxO PhotoLab (if you don't have it) is IMO excellent, especially for noise reduction and raw conversion (including excellent camera and lens corrections) and is available as a full functioning trial for 30 days (at least it was 9 months ago) to test it out before committing. May be cheaper than buying new gear and I think you might find the process to be surprisingly quick and easy.

This is my process when I take 800 images at an event or dress rehearsal, usually at high ISOs. The DXO NR is done on export (an advantage vs. LR which does it before export). So you don’t have to wait for it, image by image. But what slows down the process is the culling and cropping and leveling. The culling process often requires seeing the image after NR, I order to see details of faces and details. For that, I use the NR dropper to sample the image. I will also export a couple of images to check color before copying the adjustments to the whole folder.

In the last year I discovered how useful Adobe Bridge can be for reviewing the exported JPEGs. You can do a second culling process now you see the processed JPEGs. And if you have Photoshop, Bridge can open a jpeg in Camera Raw to not only fine tune crops and leveling, but also to make limited changes to color plus exposure adjustments using masking. That reduces the number of times you have to go back to make an adjustment in DXO based on how a jpeg came out.

I am not a Photoshop user (yet) but I am impressed with the Camera Raw interface vs. LR. The features are the same but the ACR image is larger and brighter on the screen and the control panels take up much less screen real estate.

 

[Zeee]

Thank you for that thorough response, Andy. My main issue is noise at those levels and I am shooting .jpg. I know, I know, RAW is better, but, as I mentioned, I'm not a pro and I don't have a lot of time to process the photos from the games.

If you want to use the "out of camera" photos you could shoot RAW, pull the RAW images into DxO PhotoLab, and "edit" the first image - simply by turning on DeepPrime 3 or the DeepPrime XD (depends on how bad the noise is), then right click - Copy "Copy Correction Settings", highlight the rest of your shots (whether it be 10 or 500), right click "Paste Correction Settings", and it will apply whatever you have done to the first one to the rest. This process shouldn't take more than 5 minutes maximum, probably less (assuming no viewing or culling of other shots.

Then select all images and "Export to Disc" as JPEG, and walk away for a coffee. When you return you will have every shot in JPEG (with all noise removed) with lens corrections, a degree of camera+lens specific sharpening applied, and whatever else you wanted. You could then review the photos, cull them out, and if you wanted to display or print some, then do selective further processing on those only.

DxO PhotoLab (if you don't have it) is IMO excellent, especially for noise reduction and raw conversion (including excellent camera and lens corrections) and is available as a full functioning trial for 30 days (at least it was 9 months ago) to test it out before committing. May be cheaper than buying new gear and I think you might find the process to be surprisingly quick and easy.

This is my process when I take 800 images at an event or dress rehearsal, usually at high ISOs. The DXO NR is done on export (an advantage vs. LR which does it before export). So you don’t have to wait for it, image by image. But what slows down the process is the culling and cropping and leveling. The culling process often requires seeing the image after NR, I order to see details of faces and details. For that, I use the NR dropper to sample the image. I will also export a couple of images to check color before copying the adjustments to the whole folder.

When I used PL I had to wait for files it was exporting if Denosie was applied. I have to wait for Adobe Denoise AI to apply during development but LrC exports are instant. It seems like same thing to me. I have to wait either way. Same for PureRaw.

In the last year I discovered how useful Adobe Bridge can be for reviewing the exported JPEGs. You can do a second culling process now you see the processed JPEGs. And if you have Photoshop, Bridge can open a jpeg in Camera Raw to not only fine tune crops and leveling, but also to make limited changes to color plus exposure adjustments using masking. That reduces the number of times you have to go back to make an adjustment in DXO based on how a jpeg came out.

I always pre-cull using Canon’s DPP - Quick Check - Full screen. It shows the files as finished JPegs and the screen sizing algorithms are excellent. If you give it star LrC will recognize it but I don’t do that. I just delete unwanted files.

I am not a Photoshop user (yet) but I am impressed with the Camera Raw interface vs. LR. The features are the same but the ACR image is larger and brighter on the screen and the control panels take up much less screen real estate.

Yes. I call LrC ACR on steroids. The interface between LrC and PS is very good. You send files from LrC to PS as smart objects which allows them to be opened in ACR if you need to access it for additional tweaks.

I just learned something new the other day. I’ll post a video later.

 

[Zeee]

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/68426746

 

[2ndact scene1]

When I used PL I had to wait for files it was exporting if Denosie was applied. I have to wait for Adobe Denoise AI to apply during development but LrC exports are instant. It seems like same thing to me. I have to wait either way. Same for PureRaw.

Correct but it is matter of process. I export all the DXO images as a batch and I can do something else while they are processing. If I have to wait for each image in LR to finish NR before I can complete processing of that image or move on to the next one, it is tedious to say the least. Plus, LR produces a side car which takes a large amount of disk space without yet producing a jpeg.

In the last year I discovered how useful Adobe Bridge can be for reviewing the exported JPEGs. You can do a second culling process now you see the processed JPEGs. And if you have Photoshop, Bridge can open a jpeg in Camera Raw to not only fine tune crops and leveling, but also to make limited changes to color plus exposure adjustments using masking. That reduces the number of times you have to go back to make an adjustment in DXO based on how a jpeg came out.

I always pre-cull using Canon’s DPP - Quick Check - Full screen. It shows the files as finished JPegs and the screen sizing algorithms are excellent. If you give it star LrC will recognize it but I don’t do that. I just delete unwanted files.

Something I can try. The finished jpeg image could be a big very helpful. I have never enjoyed using DPP but that was with older versions. I started this process on LUMIX files where there was no DPP equivalent.

I am not a Photoshop user (yet) but I am impressed with the Camera Raw interface vs. LR. The features are the same but the ACR image is larger and brighter on the screen and the control panels take up much less screen real estate.

Yes. I call LrC ACR on steroids. The interface between LrC and PS is very good. You send files from LrC to PS as smart objects which allows them to be opened in ACR if you need to access it for additional tweaks.

I just go from Adobe Bridge directly to ACR on an image by image basis, as required. I skip LrC and Photoshop. I just need Photoshop to be present so that ACR is available.

I just learned something new the other day. I’ll post a video later.

Look forward to it.

 

[Andy01]

This is my process when I take 800 images at an event or dress rehearsal, usually at high ISOs. The DXO NR is done on export (an advantage vs. LR which does it before export). So you don’t have to wait for it, image by image. But what slows down the process is the culling and cropping and leveling. The culling process often requires seeing the image after NR, I order to see details of faces and details. For that, I use the NR dropper to sample the image. I will also export a couple of images to check color before copying the adjustments to the whole folder.

When I used PL I had to wait for files it was exporting if Denosie was applied. I have to wait for Adobe Denoise AI to apply during development but LrC exports are instant. It seems like same thing to me. I have to wait either way. Same for PureRaw.

I don't think they are the same thing at all.

With the DxO process described, you spend maybe 5 minutes at the PC, start the export and walk away (coffee, dinner, watch TV - whatever you want) and come back to a completed set of images at a later point.

With LR, you have to sit there and wait for each image to process, so you are in front of the PC for a LOT longer IMO.

 

[Zeee]

When I used PL I had to wait for files it was exporting if Denosie was applied. I have to wait for Adobe Denoise AI to apply during development but LrC exports are instant. It seems like same thing to me. I have to wait either way. Same for PureRaw.

Correct but it is matter of process. I export all the DXO images as a batch and I can do something else while they are processing. If I have to wait for each image in LR to finish NR before I can complete processing of that image or move on to the next one, it is tedious to say the least. Plus, LR produces a side car which takes a large amount of disk space without yet producing a jpeg.

True. This is for other readers. You are supposed apply Denoise AI first. I just batch that, go do something else and then come back to edit.

Unless you need Side Cars you can disable their creation. Useful to some, clutter to me. Been using LrC since 2011 and I don’t have a single side car.

In the last year I discovered how useful Adobe Bridge can be for reviewing the exported JPEGs. You can do a second culling process now you see the processed JPEGs. And if you have Photoshop, Bridge can open a jpeg in Camera Raw to not only fine tune crops and leveling, but also to make limited changes to color plus exposure adjustments using masking. That reduces the number of times you have to go back to make an adjustment in DXO based on how a jpeg came out.

I always pre-cull using Canon’s DPP - Quick Check - Full screen. It shows the files as finished JPegs and the screen sizing algorithms are excellent. If you give it star LrC will recognize it but I don’t do that. I just delete unwanted files.

Something I can try. The finished jpeg image could be a big very helpful. I have never enjoyed using DPP but that was with older versions. I started this process on LUMIX files where there was no DPP equivalent.

Sometimes I wish I could for my final finals using and anything else including DPP compared to Quick Check. It’s magical. Make sure the in camera sharpening is on.

I am not a Photoshop user (yet) but I am impressed with the Camera Raw interface vs. LR. The features are the same but the ACR image is larger and brighter on the screen and the control panels take up much less screen real estate.

Yes. I call LrC ACR on steroids. The interface between LrC and PS is very good. You send files from LrC to PS as smart objects which allows them to be opened in ACR if you need to access it for additional tweaks.

I just go from Adobe Bridge directly to ACR on an image by image basis, as required. I skip LrC and Photoshop. I just need Photoshop to be present so that ACR is available.

Using Denoise AI in ACR does produce a side car. I don’t think that can be disabled. ACR does not have a catalogue database to store records of all the edits. I played around with ACR to test the new no DNG Denoise process because it got it first. I deleted the side cars and went back to LrC. A few months later LrC got the no DNG process.

I just learned something new the other day. I’ll post a video later.

Look forward to it.

 

[Zeee]

This is my process when I take 800 images at an event or dress rehearsal, usually at high ISOs. The DXO NR is done on export (an advantage vs. LR which does it before export). So you don’t have to wait for it, image by image. But what slows down the process is the culling and cropping and leveling. The culling process often requires seeing the image after NR, I order to see details of faces and details. For that, I use the NR dropper to sample the image. I will also export a couple of images to check color before copying the adjustments to the whole folder.

When I used PL I had to wait for files it was exporting if Denosie was applied. I have to wait for Adobe Denoise AI to apply during development but LrC exports are instant. It seems like same thing to me. I have to wait either way. Same for PureRaw.

I don't think they are the same thing at all.

With the DxO process described, you spend maybe 5 minutes at the PC, start the export and walk away (coffee, dinner, watch TV - whatever you want) and come back to a completed set of images at a later point.

With LR, you have to sit there and wait for each image to process, so you are in front of the PC for a LOT longer IMO.

Not if I walk away and do something else. I batch apply DeNoise. When I come back it's ready for editing. Edits are instant and export per file takes a second, which I batch as well.

 

[2ndact scene1]

This is my process when I take 800 images at an event or dress rehearsal, usually at high ISOs. The DXO NR is done on export (an advantage vs. LR which does it before export). So you don’t have to wait for it, image by image. But what slows down the process is the culling and cropping and leveling. The culling process often requires seeing the image after NR, I order to see details of faces and details. For that, I use the NR dropper to sample the image. I will also export a couple of images to check color before copying the adjustments to the whole folder.

When I used PL I had to wait for files it was exporting if Denosie was applied. I have to wait for Adobe Denoise AI to apply during development but LrC exports are instant. It seems like same thing to me. I have to wait either way. Same for PureRaw.

I don't think they are the same thing at all.

With the DxO process described, you spend maybe 5 minutes at the PC, start the export and walk away (coffee, dinner, watch TV - whatever you want) and come back to a completed set of images at a later point.

With LR, you have to sit there and wait for each image to process, so you are in front of the PC for a LOT longer IMO.

Not if I walk away and do something else. I batch apply DeNoise. When I come back it's ready for editing. Edits are instant and export per file takes a second, which I batch as well.

 

[Zeee]

This is my process when I take 800 images at an event or dress rehearsal, usually at high ISOs. The DXO NR is done on export (an advantage vs. LR which does it before export). So you don’t have to wait for it, image by image. But what slows down the process is the culling and cropping and leveling. The culling process often requires seeing the image after NR, I order to see details of faces and details. For that, I use the NR dropper to sample the image. I will also export a couple of images to check color before copying the adjustments to the whole folder.

When I used PL I had to wait for files it was exporting if Denosie was applied. I have to wait for Adobe Denoise AI to apply during development but LrC exports are instant. It seems like same thing to me. I have to wait either way. Same for PureRaw.

I don't think they are the same thing at all.

With the DxO process described, you spend maybe 5 minutes at the PC, start the export and walk away (coffee, dinner, watch TV - whatever you want) and come back to a completed set of images at a later point.

With LR, you have to sit there and wait for each image to process, so you are in front of the PC for a LOT longer IMO.

Not if I walk away and do something else. I batch apply DeNoise. When I come back it's ready for editing. Edits are instant and export per file takes a second, which I batch as well.

Seems like the total time would be about the same. You end up taking a break while Denoise processing happens. In Adobe, you will doing your final edit on a fully de-noised image. But you chew up some additional disk space by doing denoise on all files in batch mode. In DXO, you edit first and denoise your selected images upon export.

That is what I try to explain. Same thing for LrC. Denoise the first and then batch the rest. You use up some space but the catalogue is data. It’s like a spreadsheet on steroids. Also I can tweak the final Denoise results as much as I like and the response is instant.

Someone suggested culling in DPP, which might work well. I haven’t used DPP in years but presumably lens corrections and noise reduction could also be batch processed in DPP? Is the noise reduction decent? I guess you could then export as jpeg and fine tune in Adobe. Might be worth an experiment.

I do and so does R2D2 I think. Canon’s DPP - Quick Check - Full Screen mode shows finished Jpegs with in camera settings like sharpening and NR applied. It’s not AI but not bad. Screen sizing algorithms are excellent. I cull and get rid of all unusable files so less to goes to LrC.

 

[Zeee]

I always keep DPP updated. I insert my card into the reader and open that folder using DPP. I do this right off the card which is probably not the wisest thing to do but I've never had a problem.

1. I Select the files and open Quick Check - Full Screen. There is also a x1 option.

Note: My old Mac would choke I selected too many files to cull if I moved right or left too quickly. I do in groups of 50 which wound up being a benefit. Easier to remember what you just culled.

3. Used the Arrow key I scroll right or left. I hit x for any file I want to get rid of. If you want to go back and unselect a file just press escape button on the keyboard and press the Reject button. Then press Full Screen again.

Note: You can use stars and LrC will acknowledge it but I don't bother. I do my real culling in LrC.

4. When I'm done I press the escape button and then the reverse arrow on the upper left hand corner.

5. Edit - Rating - Select Reject images only.

6. File - Move to trash. This also can be done at the very end.

7. I then select the next 50 and repeat the process. It leaves off with the last file you grouped so easy to keep track of where you are.

8. When done I select all the files and drag them to a folder I created on my desktop. I then drag that folder into LrC. I work off the desktop and when done I move that folder to my external drive for storage and additional editing. My SSD is the fastest drive and it reminds me of what I'm working on.

To be safe you can copy all the files off the card to a folder and cull from there. Or just leave it aside, cull off the card and drag those files into the folder you will import into LrC. Delete the backup folder when done. If I ever run into a problem step 6 moves files to the trash can so I can retrieve any I like.