An impression on Panasonic's latest releases

One of the Best Buy stores in our area has a camera section that has always had cameras from all the major brands on display. They are on a tether that includes power. So, theoretically, you can pick them up and check them out. I went by yesterday to see if they have the G100D. Turns out the store has been renovated and the camera section has shrunk. They don't have Olympus any more but they do have Panasonic. In M4/3, they only had the old G100, a G7 (!) and a G9ii. To see a camera you have to find someone to unlock it. The way you find someone is you try to lift up a camera and a very loud alarm goes off. So the associate came running over but was anable to turn off the alarm, which fortunately eventually timed out. He was able to unlock the original G100, so I could pick it up. Fortunately. It had electric power (none of the others did). At no point did we talk about photography, partly because of the blaring alarm I suppose. I only mention all this as a commentary on the status of camera retailing today in the US.
Best Buy is a PITA when it comes to M43. They do not have the G100D anywhere, either in-store or on their website, only the G100.
As to the camera, I owned one in the past and was not that satisfied with the experience and imcluding the EVF. But I wanted to take a second look, to see if it was an option for a supplemental M4/3 body.
Well, it's still the G100, with both the good and bad that it came with...except the EVF which is just a massive difference. And the output is just a bit nicer. Rear dial still is chintzy, and no way to reassign the video button....but that EVF change makes all the difference in the world for my uses.
Even though I still haven't seen new G100D in person, I think your comments are right on the money. While the rear monitor is very good, the current EVF is just isn't great. It's important because I want to use some manual focus lenses on whatever I buy.
The EVF is the same one as in the G95D, I believe (I have that body also). Just very comfortable to use, and big enough, and good color rendition. All things the original G100 came up short on.
Another thing I realized was that when the G100D came out, I believe it was $599 with the kit lens. That was a $200 discount from full retail. It appears that that discount has gone away now. I think Panasonic is montoring your posts and realizes the G100D is a sleeper hit!
Actually, they are on 4th of July sale in the US at the moment (for $599 again :) )

B&H, Adorama, etc, have them. Amazon does too, but you have to be careful you are ordering the "D" version.... :)

 
I shall gladly report in due course. At one level of comparison, I found the GX8 more comfortable and enjoyable to use than the GX9 (and the GX7 also more fun to use than the GX9 before I gave the GX7 to my son). I am hoping that the G100D will also be a comfortable camera. Cameras I Iike help me to take better photos. That will be a part of my reaction to the new camera and the comparison to the GX8.

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I don't think my life will be complete until I see what that G100D OLED evf offers. I don't doubt for a minute that it must be a massive improvement. But for the moment the evf in the G100 is working well enough for this fellow.

Its a bit like: "How are we gonna keep him using his G100 down on the farm now that he has seen the G100D evf Paree".

What I don't know is obviously something I hardly miss.
 
I don't think my life will be complete until I see what that G100D OLED evf offers. I don't doubt for a minute that it must be a massive improvement. But for the moment the evf in the G100 is working well enough for this fellow.

Its a bit like: "How are we gonna keep him using his G100 down on the farm now that he has seen the G100D evf Paree".

What I don't know is obviously something I hardly miss.
It's the same EVF as the G90 (the version with the OLED EVF). So, if you happen upon one of those, you can get an idea of what it looks like vs the old G100 one.

-J
 
I had the GX8, GX9, G100, and now G100D.

Hope this helps,

-J
That's very useful, Janet, thank you. I think the only major thing I would miss would be the lack of tilting VF, which I use a lot. But other than that, I think buying a G100ii is a logical step for me. I doubt if we are ever going to see another GX, and the G9ii and GH7 are simply not ever going to be something I will ever be able to afford or want to use. The lack of Ibis is not a problem, the GX8's is a joke anyway and the lenses I would use on the GX8 are all OIS anyway - the 12-32, the 45-175 and the 30mm. That'll be my EDC and I'll keep the Oly60mm for exclusive use with the GX8, I think.

Thanks again, Roddy
 
Moreover, replacing micro-B port with USB-C port symbolizes Panasonic's technological excellence. It was a impossible task for OM System.
Ouch that hurts!!
 
One of the Best Buy stores in our area has a camera section that has always had cameras from all the major brands on display. They are on a tether that includes power. So, theoretically, you can pick them up and check them out. I went by yesterday to see if they have the G100D. Turns out the store has been renovated and the camera section has shrunk. They don't have Olympus any more but they do have Panasonic. In M4/3, they only had the old G100, a G7 (!) and a G9ii. To see a camera you have to find someone to unlock it. The way you find someone is you try to lift up a camera and a very loud alarm goes off. So the associate came running over but was anable to turn off the alarm, which fortunately eventually timed out. He was able to unlock the original G100, so I could pick it up. Fortunately. It had electric power (none of the others did). At no point did we talk about photography, partly because of the blaring alarm I suppose. I only mention all this as a commentary on the status of camera retailing today in the US.
Best Buy is a PITA when it comes to M43. They do not have the G100D anywhere, either in-store or on their website, only the G100.
As to the camera, I owned one in the past and was not that satisfied with the experience and imcluding the EVF. But I wanted to take a second look, to see if it was an option for a supplemental M4/3 body.
Well, it's still the G100, with both the good and bad that it came with...except the EVF which is just a massive difference. And the output is just a bit nicer. Rear dial still is chintzy, and no way to reassign the video button....but that EVF change makes all the difference in the world for my uses.
Even though I still haven't seen new G100D in person, I think your comments are right on the money. While the rear monitor is very good, the current EVF is just isn't great. It's important because I want to use some manual focus lenses on whatever I buy.
The EVF is the same one as in the G95D, I believe (I have that body also). Just very comfortable to use, and big enough, and good color rendition. All things the original G100 came up short on.
Another thing I realized was that when the G100D came out, I believe it was $599 with the kit lens. That was a $200 discount from full retail. It appears that that discount has gone away now. I think Panasonic is montoring your posts and realizes the G100D is a sleeper hit!
Actually, they are on 4th of July sale in the US at the moment (for $599 again :) )

B&H, Adorama, etc, have them. Amazon does too, but you have to be careful you are ordering the "D" version.... :)

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/prod...dc_g100dkk_lumix_g100d_mirrorless_camera.html
I have several things on my wish list, so I decided to check out a G7 at a local store as a budget alternative to the G100, which would leave room in the budget for lenses et cetera. It has an OLED EVF, it is the same weight as the G100 and has more comfortable controls because the body is bigger. Neither has IBIS. I owned one a few years ago but I wanted to get one in my hands before buying. So, I checked it out. I could not get the EVF diopter adjustment where I wanted it and the EVF was also pretty dim. I might have been able to play with it get both problems fixed but it just didn't seem to be a good idea. I turned to leave but I spotted a small Olympus body in the case. It was the original O-MD E-M10 from 2014. The EVF was actually pretty good, the multi colored menu was easy to navigate but the focus peaking was white only. And while it was very comfortable (G100 size basically), the date on the battery in the camera was in early 2014, when the camera came out. I was looking for something inexpensive, but not 10 years old! Bottom line, I came home and ordered a refurbished E-M10 mark iv from Roberts Camera/Used Photo Pro via eBay. It is actually about the same weight as the G100 but does have IBIS. EM10 EVFs I have looked at have been pretty good in the past. I wish I could have seen one in person but that just was not possible. Cost was $532 plus tax. Apparently, Roberts has a contract with OMDS to handle all their refurbished equipment.

This will be my travel camera when I want to go light and a supplemental body for event photography when I want to use my 10mm Laowa or some other prime to complement my 12-40mm and 35-100mm zooms (I learned from experience that lens changes mid-event are not ideal).
 
I don't think my life will be complete until I see what that G100D OLED evf offers. I don't doubt for a minute that it must be a massive improvement. But for the moment the evf in the G100 is working well enough for this fellow.

Its a bit like: "How are we gonna keep him using his G100 down on the farm now that he has seen the G100D evf Paree".

What I don't know is obviously something I hardly miss.
It's the same EVF as the G90 (the version with the OLED EVF). So, if you happen upon one of those, you can get an idea of what it looks like vs the old G100 one.

-J
Glory be, I don't think I have seen a Panasonic M4/3 camera body alive and being used in this particular neck of the woods in any other hands but my own - ever. I do remember a proud young owner with a discounted EM-1x and a big zoom lens with a friend off looking for some birds to photograph.

The local dedicated bricks and mortars shop has a showcase for Olympus/OMS* gear but if you wanted something Panasonic then they surely could get one in.

* So presumably someone local must be buying some Olympus gear. But I have not particularly noticed.

When I buy Panasonic I have always bought sight unseen from on-line. Happening upon simply hasn't happened. But I have complete confidence to reference by your words.

We live in the real country** and the nearest Capital city conurbation is 300kms away where there no doubt Panasonic stockists would have set up shop. Meanwhile the gear is easily acquired and paid for locally via the web.

** country area where life is sophisticated and we technically have all facilities (except Panasonic outlets) as oppose to "the bush", where they might have a pub and perhaps even a shop/post-office but otherwise could be 300kms from anywhere.

Australia is as large as continental US but as far as I know the entire population is less than that of California. Then to make matters worse - half of the population lives crowded into the capital cities.
 
I don't think my life will be complete until I see what that G100D OLED evf offers. I don't doubt for a minute that it must be a massive improvement. But for the moment the evf in the G100 is working well enough for this fellow.

Its a bit like: "How are we gonna keep him using his G100 down on the farm now that he has seen the G100D evf Paree".

What I don't know is obviously something I hardly miss.
It's the same EVF as the G90 (the version with the OLED EVF). So, if you happen upon one of those, you can get an idea of what it looks like vs the old G100 one.

-J
Glory be, I don't think I have seen a Panasonic M4/3 camera body alive and being used in this particular neck of the woods in any other hands but my own - ever. I do remember a proud young owner with a discounted EM-1x and a big zoom lens with a friend off looking for some birds to photograph.

The local dedicated bricks and mortars shop has a showcase for Olympus/OMS* gear but if you wanted something Panasonic then they surely could get one in.

* So presumably someone local must be buying some Olympus gear. But I have not particularly noticed.

When I buy Panasonic I have always bought sight unseen from on-line. Happening upon simply hasn't happened. But I have complete confidence to reference by your words.

We live in the real country** and the nearest Capital city conurbation is 300kms away where there no doubt Panasonic stockists would have set up shop. Meanwhile the gear is easily acquired and paid for locally via the web.
Ha, that's the same distance I am from NYC, and close to the same from Boston. Other than the local Best Buy (which doesn't have any M43 on display now), I'd have to go to either NY or Boston, myself, to try any of these in person, also. And, I definitely don't live in the middle of nowhere; I live right next to the capitol of NYS, and the regional (Capitol District) population is about 1.2 million.
** country area where life is sophisticated and we technically have all facilities (except Panasonic outlets) as oppose to "the bush", where they might have a pub and perhaps even a shop/post-office but otherwise could be 300kms from anywhere.
About an hour's drive north of here is definitely wilderness, as that's the southernmost border of the Adirondack Park, a 6 million acre preserve. New York is kind of a funny state; upstate is quite rural with pockets of substantial population, and downstate is comprised of NYC and suburbs, which are very densely populated. I live in a little suburban neighborhood one town over to the east of Troy, NY, which is a small, old, industrial city of modest population along the Hudson River. Going further east, the county I live in gets rural in a hurry, and then remains so until well over the borders into the next states to the east (Massachusetts and Vermont, and Connecticut to the south).

All the camera stores that used to be here (and there were several), went belly up after the Internet took over, about 15 years ago, so other than Best Buy, it's a camera desert up here if you want anything from anyone other than the big 3. I have poked around B&H on the rare occasions I am down in NYC (but that's not been in some years now), and it's very cool to be able to actually handle ALL the gear. But that's a rarity....
Australia is as large as continental US but as far as I know the entire population is less than that of California. Then to make matters worse - half of the population lives crowded into the capital cities.
Well, the NY metro region is kind of a pain in the butt also, so I do get it... :)

-J
 
I don't think my life will be complete until I see what that G100D OLED evf offers. I don't doubt for a minute that it must be a massive improvement. But for the moment the evf in the G100 is working well enough for this fellow.

Its a bit like: "How are we gonna keep him using his G100 down on the farm now that he has seen the G100D evf Paree".

What I don't know is obviously something I hardly miss.
It's the same EVF as the G90 (the version with the OLED EVF). So, if you happen upon one of those, you can get an idea of what it looks like vs the old G100 one.

-J
Glory be, I don't think I have seen a Panasonic M4/3 camera body alive and being used in this particular neck of the woods in any other hands but my own - ever. I do remember a proud young owner with a discounted EM-1x and a big zoom lens with a friend off looking for some birds to photograph.

The local dedicated bricks and mortars shop has a showcase for Olympus/OMS* gear but if you wanted something Panasonic then they surely could get one in.

* So presumably someone local must be buying some Olympus gear. But I have not particularly noticed.

When I buy Panasonic I have always bought sight unseen from on-line. Happening upon simply hasn't happened. But I have complete confidence to reference by your words.

We live in the real country** and the nearest Capital city conurbation is 300kms away where there no doubt Panasonic stockists would have set up shop. Meanwhile the gear is easily acquired and paid for locally via the web.
Ha, that's the same distance I am from NYC, and close to the same from Boston. Other than the local Best Buy (which doesn't have any M43 on display now), I'd have to go to either NY or Boston, myself, to try any of these in person, also. And, I definitely don't live in the middle of nowhere; I live right next to the capitol of NYS, and the regional (Capitol District) population is about 1.2 million.
** country area where life is sophisticated and we technically have all facilities (except Panasonic outlets) as oppose to "the bush", where they might have a pub and perhaps even a shop/post-office but otherwise could be 300kms from anywhere.
About an hour's drive north of here is definitely wilderness, as that's the southernmost border of the Adirondack Park, a 6 million acre preserve. New York is kind of a funny state; upstate is quite rural with pockets of substantial population, and downstate is comprised of NYC and suburbs, which are very densely populated. I live in a little suburban neighborhood one town over to the east of Troy, NY, which is a small, old, industrial city of modest population along the Hudson River. Going further east, the county I live in gets rural in a hurry, and then remains so until well over the borders into the next states to the east (Massachusetts and Vermont, and Connecticut to the south).

All the camera stores that used to be here (and there were several), went belly up after the Internet took over, about 15 years ago, so other than Best Buy, it's a camera desert up here if you want anything from anyone other than the big 3. I have poked around B&H on the rare occasions I am down in NYC (but that's not been in some years now), and it's very cool to be able to actually handle ALL the gear. But that's a rarity....
Australia is as large as continental US but as far as I know the entire population is less than that of California. Then to make matters worse - half of the population lives crowded into the capital cities.
Well, the NY metro region is kind of a pain in the butt also, so I do get it... :)

-J
I guess I should not complain about our situation when it comes to camera stores. Raleigh has two independent stores in a county with 1 million people and a metropolitan area of about 2 to 3 million people. Raleigh is also a state capital.

But when it comes to M 4/3, one store dropped its Olympus dealership some years ago and the other store has never sold M4/3. I think Panasonic has a very limited dealership network in the US. Only large retailers carry the brand.

So for a physical hands on look at an Olympus or Lumix camera, Best Buy is the only option. And it is really no longer viable. Even used M4/3 equipment is rare.

Fortunately, I do get to Japan every one or two years and that always includes trip(s) to the electronics chain states like BIC Camera which have a photography department with pretty much everything on display. But even in these stores, I have noticed a decline in the quality of the display over the years.

So what it comes down to is that, at least in the US, we rely on liberal return policies to make sure we don't get stuck with something that looked good in reviews, YouTube videos, spec sheets etc. but actually is not something we want to own. Those returns go back into the market as refurbished cameras at a discounted price that cheapskates like me are happy to buy!
 
I don't think my life will be complete until I see what that G100D OLED evf offers. I don't doubt for a minute that it must be a massive improvement. But for the moment the evf in the G100 is working well enough for this fellow.

Its a bit like: "How are we gonna keep him using his G100 down on the farm now that he has seen the G100D evf Paree".

What I don't know is obviously something I hardly miss.
It's the same EVF as the G90 (the version with the OLED EVF). So, if you happen upon one of those, you can get an idea of what it looks like vs the old G100 one.

-J
Glory be, I don't think I have seen a Panasonic M4/3 camera body alive and being used in this particular neck of the woods in any other hands but my own - ever. I do remember a proud young owner with a discounted EM-1x and a big zoom lens with a friend off looking for some birds to photograph.

The local dedicated bricks and mortars shop has a showcase for Olympus/OMS* gear but if you wanted something Panasonic then they surely could get one in.

* So presumably someone local must be buying some Olympus gear. But I have not particularly noticed.

When I buy Panasonic I have always bought sight unseen from on-line. Happening upon simply hasn't happened. But I have complete confidence to reference by your words.

We live in the real country** and the nearest Capital city conurbation is 300kms away where there no doubt Panasonic stockists would have set up shop. Meanwhile the gear is easily acquired and paid for locally via the web.
Ha, that's the same distance I am from NYC, and close to the same from Boston. Other than the local Best Buy (which doesn't have any M43 on display now), I'd have to go to either NY or Boston, myself, to try any of these in person, also. And, I definitely don't live in the middle of nowhere; I live right next to the capitol of NYS, and the regional (Capitol District) population is about 1.2 million.
** country area where life is sophisticated and we technically have all facilities (except Panasonic outlets) as oppose to "the bush", where they might have a pub and perhaps even a shop/post-office but otherwise could be 300kms from anywhere.
About an hour's drive north of here is definitely wilderness, as that's the southernmost border of the Adirondack Park, a 6 million acre preserve. New York is kind of a funny state; upstate is quite rural with pockets of substantial population, and downstate is comprised of NYC and suburbs, which are very densely populated. I live in a little suburban neighborhood one town over to the east of Troy, NY, which is a small, old, industrial city of modest population along the Hudson River. Going further east, the county I live in gets rural in a hurry, and then remains so until well over the borders into the next states to the east (Massachusetts and Vermont, and Connecticut to the south).

All the camera stores that used to be here (and there were several), went belly up after the Internet took over, about 15 years ago, so other than Best Buy, it's a camera desert up here if you want anything from anyone other than the big 3. I have poked around B&H on the rare occasions I am down in NYC (but that's not been in some years now), and it's very cool to be able to actually handle ALL the gear. But that's a rarity....
Australia is as large as continental US but as far as I know the entire population is less than that of California. Then to make matters worse - half of the population lives crowded into the capital cities.
Well, the NY metro region is kind of a pain in the butt also, so I do get it... :)

-J
I guess I should not complain about our situation when it comes to camera stores. Raleigh has two independent stores in a county with 1 million people and a metropolitan area of about 2 to 3 million people. Raleigh is also a state capital.

But when it comes to M 4/3, one store dropped its Olympus dealership some years ago and the other store has never sold M4/3. I think Panasonic has a very limited dealership network in the US. Only large retailers carry the brand.

So for a physical hands on look at an Olympus or Lumix camera, Best Buy is the only option. And it is really no longer viable. Even used M4/3 equipment is rare.

Fortunately, I do get to Japan every one or two years and that always includes trip(s) to the electronics chain states like BIC Camera which have a photography department with pretty much everything on display. But even in these stores, I have noticed a decline in the quality of the display over the years.

So what it comes down to is that, at least in the US, we rely on liberal return policies to make sure we don't get stuck with something that looked good in reviews, YouTube videos, spec sheets etc. but actually is not something we want to own. Those returns go back into the market as refurbished cameras at a discounted price that cheapskates like me are happy to buy!
When I say that in Australia, like many other countries the return policy by law restricts it to "broken when removed from box, or unsuitable for purpose" in practice most stores will refund in full if returned in unused condition with the full retail packaging within a reasonable amount of time. What constitutes reasonable is not defined and could vary between stores. But as a guide - maybe a week from purchase.

Some stores will only give a credit against another purchase but national chains such as Bunnings can afford to be more liberal as one of their employees told me - they just ship whatever is returned back to their source and get a full refund. Or for smaller stuff returned unused with packaging - just tape it up and put it back on the shelf.

Smaller vendors don't always have the ability to get refunds on open-box returns from wholesalers.

I once watched open mouthed in Bunnings where someone was returning a very expensive generator unopened in its box after a bushfire emergency was over. I would not myself have enough brass neck to make such a personal provision for emergency use and return it after having effectively had a free power insurance facility for a week or so.

Yes, they gave him his refund after checking that the box was not full of bricks.

I had bought a cheaper one myself - still have it, I have had little use for it, but never considered leaving it in its box so that I could return it for full refund. I hope it will still work if I need it in an emergency situation. We pump all our water supply by electricity.

There is a very useful need for vendors to have an easy-return policy, but buyers need tio have ethical standards as well. When generators were in short supply in an emergency if we needed one that badly for our own peace of mind then we should be prepared to buy it outright.

I accept that when we have bought a camera sight unseen then it is good business to be allowed to return it if it was not what we thought it might be. Less acceptable is the Bricks and Mortar shop owner's nightmare: spending and hour or so showing a punter all the ins and outs of a product and answering all questions. Then they say that "I will think about it". Walk out of the store and buy it on-line because it was cheaper.
 
On the East Coast of Australia the Great Dividing Range runs from the far North of Tropical Queensland to a hundred or so kilometres west of Melbourne. At a guess it is well over 3,000 kms and maybe nudging 4,000.

Along the way it passes to the west of the conurbations of state capital cities Brisbane, Sydney and Melbourne as well as some other largish regional cities What has to be understood in the geography is that the rugged range country is fairly close to the Eastern Seaboard and it is punctuated by relative short but major river systems. As a result travel inland from the coast usually requires a steep climb up on to the range plateau. The best farming country might only start at up to 200kms inland. As a result coastal towns sprang up mostly as timber exporting ports and at discreet relative distances of 1-2 hours apart. They are all very similar and relatively devoid of rich industry or farming and the timber industry is a pale shadow of what it once was. Lovely places to live but most contact between them is north-south connecting up with state capital conurbations. To the East there is the Pacific ocean and to the West it is a long haul to the widely spaced small inland farming towns.

Like the popular phrase "it is Sydney or the Bush" unless you live in Victoria when you can substitute "Melbourne" for "Sydney". Brisbane people don't care.
 
They made the cam the GH6 was meant to be - the GH7 , that was really positive .

as for the G100D - they should have realised it was never a "vlogging" camera and then ditched the silly mic thing, stuffed in the IBIS and shutter from the discontinued GX9 and re-marketed it as the tiny G model people buy it for .

OH and pressured Capture one to support the thing !! .

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They don't?
Nope, they finally supported the GX800 / 880 but not the G100, yup, the GH6 , G9-II etc all present but they missed the G100 out totally - they re becoming a real thorn in the side lately over a number of things, not least the way they treat perpetual licenses and that theirr noise reduction is still 20 years out of date .

Another anomaly is no lens support for the Oly 12-45 Pro - it does support the OM systems 12-40 F2.8 Mk2 as well as the orig Oly one (OK we know they`re the same but they`re listed separately) but no 12-45 ..

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They don't?
Nope, they finally supported the GX800 / 880 but not the G100, yup, the GH6 , G9-II etc all present but they missed the G100 out totally - they re becoming a real thorn in the side lately over a number of things, not least the way they treat perpetual licenses and that theirr noise reduction is still 20 years out of date .

Another anomaly is no lens support for the Oly 12-45 Pro - it does support the OM systems 12-40 F2.8 Mk2 as well as the orig Oly one (OK we know they`re the same but they`re listed separately) but no 12-45 ..
Capture One uses embedded lens profiles for MFT and FE lenses, so you get support as soon as you buy the lens. Bodies are a different matter.



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