A7V Expectations

[Batdude]

The A7III made a huge splash and was a major success when it came down to price to performance. The A7IV came with some improvements.

I hear that Sony fixed or improved the A7RV WB dramatically and many like that camera because it doesn’t show some kind of yellow or brown tint, something like that. Are you expecting the A7V to come with that improvement as well?

I was very close in buying the A7IV some time after it came out but I did not like the quality of the EVF nor the flippy screen. I just simply don’t like flippy screens. I would LOVE a tilt/flippy instead

Nikon is supposed to release the Z6III and I think the A7V will be after. I’m with the idea of selling all my DSLR cameras and Monster made an AF adapter for our older AF-D lenses to be used on Sony cameras and I’m kind of really excited about that so (most likely) I will leave Nikon and there is a really good possibility that the A7V will be so good that I might finally make this major brand switch.

What other things are you expecting from the A7V when it shows up?

 

[AlphaAlphaAlpha]

I'm expecting the A7V to come out int 2025 or later. Since there may be more features introduced to other cameras since then, it may have features we aren't yet aware of. Nobody really knows, but if the point of this thread is to entertain one another with baseless speculation, here are my guesses for the A7V:

• Same 33MP sensor as A7IV
• Flippy/tilty screen from the A7RV/A9III. (Too bad, I love the flippy screen on the A7IV, but you will be happy.)
• 50g heavier than A7IV and ever so slightly thicker body
• Improved autofocus over A7IV
• 4k60 video without a crop
• All new features from the A7CII and other recent cameras: 4K60 streaming over USB, shutter time greater than 30s, subject tracking
• Two CFexpressA/SDCard combo slots
• New custom button on the front similar to A9III
• Improved rear screen
• Features that directly interface with cloud storage you can subscribe to from Sony

 

[Dave Oddie]

I'm expecting the A7V to come out int 2025 or later. Since there may be more features introduced to other cameras since then, it may have features we aren't yet aware of. Nobody really knows, but if the point of this thread is to entertain one another with baseless speculation, here are my guesses for the A7V:

• Same 33MP sensor as A7IV
• Flippy/tilty screen from the A7RV/A9III. (Too bad, I love the flippy screen on the A7IV, but you will be happy.)
• 50g heavier than A7IV and ever so slightly thicker body
• Improved autofocus over A7IV
• 4k60 video without a crop
• All new features from the A7CII and other recent cameras: 4K60 streaming over USB, shutter time greater than 30s, subject tracking
• Two CFexpressA/SDCard combo slots
• New custom button on the front similar to A9III
• Improved rear screen
• Features that directly interface with cloud storage you can subscribe to from Sony

I think the flippy screen will stay. The screen on the A7RV/A9III is mechanically complex in comparison and in order to build an A7V to a price something has to give and I think that would be it.

Or put another way I can’t see an A7V being basically an A7RV with a 33mp sensor.

I can only see it having the superset of features of the current A7IV (such as 1/8000 top shutter speed and two card slots etc) and the new features on the A7C II you mention but you never know, Sony may introduce some other new technology or AF improvements. They have not been afraid to add new features to “lesser” cameras first such as the new subject aware AF the top of the range A1 lacks.

I think you are correct an A7V may not arrive until next year or later. Doesn’t bother me, I think the A7IV is a great and meets my needs perfectly.

 

[A74Me]

my a7iv is fast. AF is 99.9999% acurate, colours are class leading. 33meg is the perfect count. what else do you need to take a great image.

 

[AlphaAlphaAlpha]

my a7iv is fast. AF is 99.9999% acurate, colours are class leading. 33meg is the perfect count. what else do you need to take a great image.

I love my A7IV, but wide AF doesn't reliably nail people who are far away with a wide-angle lense, so there's definitely room for improvement in focus on faces that take up a smaller portion of the image.

 

[AlphaAlphaAlpha]

I can only see it having the superset of features of the current A7IV (such as 1/8000 top shutter speed...)

Note the A7IV already has a 1/8000 mechanical shutter speed. Only the A7C2/R cameras drop that to 1/4000.

Also, the A7IV has a mechanical front shutter, which I've never used, ever. I wonder if they'll get rid of that to lighten the weight of the camera.

 

[Dave Oddie]

my a7iv is fast. AF is 99.9999% acurate, colours are class leading. 33meg is the perfect count. what else do you need to take a great image.

I love my A7IV, but wide AF doesn't reliably nail people who are far away with a wide-angle lense, so there's definitely room for improvement in focus on faces that take up a smaller portion of the image.

It’s not going to make any difference if it focuses on the face of a person or their body in a wide angle shot where the person is far away. as the depth of field will mean all the person appears in focus.

If you mean you want it to identify people who are far away in wide angle shots that would be via a mode like aeroplane or insect such as “person”.

At the moment if you have face detect on and eye AF set to human it only works where they are sufficiently close to the camera. Too far away and they may be focused on because they are the closest thing to the camera not because they are a person. There must be a reason for this when it can detect and track really quite small birds quite some distance away.

 

[Dave Oddie]

I can only see it having the superset of features of the current A7IV (such as 1/8000 top shutter speed...)

Note the A7IV already has a 1/8000 mechanical shutter speed. Only the A7C2/R cameras drop that to 1/4000.

I know the A7IV has a fastest shutter speed of 1/8000. That is why I said I thought an A7V would be a superset of features of the A7IV and A7 C II. So it would get the 1/8000 speed of the A7IV plus the AF of the A7 CII.

Also, the A7IV has a mechanical front shutter, which I've never used, ever. I wonder if they'll get rid of that to lighten the weight of the camera.

Does it add much weight? I am not sure they would ditch it anyway as Sony state the alternative of electronic front curtain shutter can cause issues under certain circumstances including using third party lenses.

 

[A74Me]

my a7iv is fast. AF is 99.9999% acurate, colours are class leading. 33meg is the perfect count. what else do you need to take a great image.

I love my A7IV, but wide AF doesn't reliably nail people who are far away with a wide-angle lense, so there's definitely room for improvement in focus on faces that take up a smaller portion of the image.

can you post an example

 

[Jacques Cornell]

The A7III made a huge splash and was a major success when it came down to price to performance. The A7IV came with some improvements.

I hear that Sony fixed or improved the A7RV WB dramatically and many like that camera because it doesn’t show some kind of yellow or brown tint, something like that. Are you expecting the A7V to come with that improvement as well?

I was very close in buying the A7IV some time after it came out but I did not like the quality of the EVF nor the flippy screen. I just simply don’t like flippy screens. I would LOVE a tilt/flippy instead

Nikon is supposed to release the Z6III and I think the A7V will be after. I’m with the idea of selling all my DSLR cameras and Monster made an AF adapter for our older AF-D lenses to be used on Sony cameras and I’m kind of really excited about that so (most likely) I will leave Nikon and there is a really good possibility that the A7V will be so good that I might finally make this major brand switch.

What other things are you expecting from the A7V when it shows up?

I'm expecting it'll drive down the price of used a7IVs so I can buy another one. Can't wait for an a7CIII for the same reason.

 

[Craig Gillette]

The A7III made a huge splash and was a major success when it came down to price to performance. The A7IV came with some improvements.

I hear that Sony fixed or improved the A7RV WB dramatically and many like that camera because it doesn’t show some kind of yellow or brown tint, something like that. Are you expecting the A7V to come with that improvement as well?

I was very close in buying the A7IV some time after it came out but I did not like the quality of the EVF nor the flippy screen. I just simply don’t like flippy screens. I would LOVE a tilt/flippy instead

Nikon is supposed to release the Z6III and I think the A7V will be after. I’m with the idea of selling all my DSLR cameras and Monster made an AF adapter for our older AF-D lenses to be used on Sony cameras and I’m kind of really excited about that so (most likely) I will leave Nikon and there is a really good possibility that the A7V will be so good that I might finally make this major brand switch.

What other things are you expecting from the A7V when it shows up?

I think it will get the A7Rv subject identification and tracking improvements. It's unlikely to get the A7Rv full articulating screen. I don't know about changes to the card slots. Probably get the 2 CFexpress Type A / UHS II SD. I'd hope they move to the full size hdmi. I'd also prefer two USB-C ports, to allow both power, data and perhaps a wired remote, etc. the old, tiny connectors for both always struck me as rsiky and needing more different cables to deal with things. Maybe some of the shape changes from the A9iii?

If I had to guess it would be more a larger A7Cii than a lower res A7Rv.

 

[Impulses]

I can only see it having the superset of features of the current A7IV (such as 1/8000 top shutter speed...)

Note the A7IV already has a 1/8000 mechanical shutter speed. Only the A7C2/R cameras drop that to 1/4000.

I know the A7IV has a fastest shutter speed of 1/8000. That is why I said I thought an A7V would be a superset of features of the A7IV and A7 C II. So it would get the 1/8000 speed of the A7IV plus the AF of the A7 CII.

Also, the A7IV has a mechanical front shutter, which I've never used, ever. I wonder if they'll get rid of that to lighten the weight of the camera.

Does it add much weight? I am not sure they would ditch it anyway as Sony state the alternative of electronic front curtain shutter can cause issues under certain circumstances including using third party lenses.

Hmm, I've never heard of actual issues with EFCS and modern 3rd party lenses, there can be some uneven exposure issues with adapted lenses. In any case, I doubt they'd get rid of it because the more significant downside to EFCS is the truncated and busier bokeh effect when using fast lenses (f1.8 or faster) at SS > 1/1,000.

It's not plainly obvious right at that limit, but grab a GM prime and shoot it at 1/2,000 or 1/4,000 with EFCS rather than full mechanical and all that smooth rendering you're paying for is suddenly not quite as smooth. Sure you can use an ND instead but... I don't think the front curtain is going anywhere until stacked sensors are more affordable.

What they should do is add an automatic option to enable/disable EFCS at a certain SS threshold like virtually every other manufacturer (some of them don't even offer it as an option, it's just the way it is, Oly disables it after 1/500 which is rather conservative and Pana is beyond conservative in not letting you use EFCS with manual glass).

That way users would never really have to think about it, just have EFCS enabled to counter shutter shock at slower SS and disabled to protect rendering at faster SS, if they were really clever they'd only disable it when a fast lens is mounted but that might require too much overhead.

 

[Mr_Win]

the A7iv is the camera where I feel that it's peak sony.

sure, newer cameras, modest upgrades and what not, but the A7iv is such high value, even to this day. I'll probably upgrade because the cycles are so long with this model, and I've made plenty of money with the camera, so they've earned it. Upgrading for the slightly faster readout, slight better menus, and other random small features. I'll be writing off the cost over three more years, not a big deal, but if I werent making money, then I may be considering twice because it's such a great camera, why bother?

 

[AlephNull]

I'm expecting the A7V to come out int 2025 or later. Since there may be more features introduced to other cameras since then, it may have features we aren't yet aware of. Nobody really knows, but if the point of this thread is to entertain one another with baseless speculation, here are my guesses for the A7V:

• Same 33MP sensor as A7IV
• Flippy/tilty screen from the A7RV/A9III. (Too bad, I love the flippy screen on the A7IV, but you will be happy.)
• 50g heavier than A7IV and ever so slightly thicker body
• Improved autofocus over A7IV
• 4k60 video without a crop
• All new features from the A7CII and other recent cameras: 4K60 streaming over USB, shutter time greater than 30s, subject tracking
• Two CFexpressA/SDCard combo slots

two? Or one like the A7IV?

• New custom button on the front similar to A9III

that new button is for psycho turbo overdrive. The A7V won’t even be a stacked sensor, let alone a global shutter, so I suspect it won’t get the turbo button

• Improved rear screen

Maybe, maybe not - I think it depends on whether it fits into their target price. I suppose it might get the new higher res screen but still flippy?

• Features that directly interface with cloud storage you can subscribe to from Sony

Didn’t that just appear in today’s firmware update?

 

[Bender79ita]

The A7III made a huge splash and was a major success when it came down to price to performance. The A7IV came with some improvements.

I hear that Sony fixed or improved the A7RV WB dramatically and many like that camera because it doesn’t show some kind of yellow or brown tint, something like that. Are you expecting the A7V to come with that improvement as well?

Oh yes bro, Sony color science so bad

I was very close in buying the A7IV some time after it came out but I did not like the quality of the EVF nor the flippy screen. I just simply don’t like flippy screens. I would LOVE a tilt/flippy instead

That's the A7RV, it already exists, no wait required

Nikon is supposed to release the Z6III

Probably by the next moon landing :-D

Astronauts will show the trashtalkers how to take pictures of the moon with a kit lens!!! 1200mm???? PFFT, 24-70 baby!!!! :-D

and I think the A7V will be after. I’m with the idea of selling all my DSLR cameras and Monster made an AF adapter for our older AF-D lenses to be used on Sony cameras

Yes, the best way to enjoy the latest Sony AF is to put ancient mechanical glass without a focus motor on a third party adapter, seems legit

and I’m kind of really excited about that so (most likely) I will leave Nikon and there is a really good possibility that the A7V will be so good that I might finally make this major brand switch.

What other things are you expecting from the A7V when it shows up?

It will be an updated A7CII in an updated A7IV body. That's all I'm expecting.

I don't understand why you'd expect a tilt screen on a hybrid body but hey, one can dream! ;-)

 

[Adam-T]

pretty Predictable really

All the A7R5 stuff with the 33Mp sensor and 5Mp EVF is my guess

It`ll be awesome at the price it is and no reason why not , a good chunk of it is in the Entry level C-II already

 

[surfoxy]

my a7iv is fast. AF is 99.9999% acurate, colours are class leading. 33meg is the perfect count. what else do you need to take a great image.

Nada. Great post.

Except I need the advent of the A7V to drive the prices down so I can pick a 4 up on the cheap.

 

[Rainy_diary]

A7V would has AI AF like A7RV.

 

[A74Me]

my a7iv is fast. AF is 99.9999% acurate, colours are class leading. 33meg is the perfect count. what else do you need to take a great image.

Nada. Great post.

Except I need the advent of the A7V to drive the prices down so I can pick a 4 up on the cheap.

I shot a studio session yesterday of a dancer for her portfolio. 3 hours non stop 600 images, i dont even look for eye af acuracy on the fly anymore as i know it will be perfect, and sure as, they were, its not that the eye is in focus its that the eye is in the center of the DOF 100% of the time, just amazes me.

 

[AlephNull]

my a7iv is fast. AF is 99.9999% acurate, colours are class leading. 33meg is the perfect count. what else do you need to take a great image.

Nada. Great post.

Except I need the advent of the A7V to drive the prices down so I can pick a 4 up on the cheap.

I shot a studio session yesterday of a dancer for her portfolio. 3 hours non stop 600 images, i dont even look for eye af acuracy on the fly anymore as i know it will be perfect, and sure as, they were, its not that the eye is in focus its that the eye is in the center of the DOF 100% of the time, just amazes me.

I've shot a dancer (ballet) in the studio with the old AF and the new (A7R V). The old AF had no trouble when her eye was in view, but the new AF can place focus where her eyes would be, even when she was faced away (judging that by the focus frame displayed on the camera).

To be honest, though, getting the eyes in focus in the studio isn't tough for me because I'm using f/8. Out in sunlight, nailing focus on the eye when I'm running the lens wide open is more of a challenge.

I think we'll see the new AF in every new Sony camera - it's in the A6700, after all.

All that said, if you get all you need from an earlier model, there's nothing forcing you to buy the next one. When I was using Canon DSLRs we saw them discontinue the older model within a month of launching a new one (I have no idea if they still do that with RF bodies). I like the Sony approach. And I don't just mean using the camera you own - you can still buy the A7R IV, even the A7R III, despite the release of the A7R V.