Flash: sony and godox... why???

[renixx]

Hi to all, finally the Sony HVL f32M flash and the very small Godox Lux Junior are arrived. I have done several tests and both are perfect. But... if I use the Sony as the primary on the camera hot shoe and the Godox as the secondary (as receiver), everything works fine. But if I reverse the situation, Godox on the hot shoe as primary and Sony as secondary in wireless as receiver, Sony won't work. What do you think I'm doing wrong?

 

[Brett8883]

Hi to all, finally the Sony HVL f32M flash and the very small Godox Lux Junior are arrived. I have done several tests and both are perfect. But... if I use the Sony as the primary on the camera hot shoe and the Godox as the secondary (as receiver), everything works fine. But if I reverse the situation, Godox on the hot shoe as primary and Sony as secondary in wireless as receiver, Sony won't work. What do you think I'm doing wrong?

 

[renixx]

Hi to all, finally the Sony HVL f32M flash and the very small Godox Lux Junior are arrived. I have done several tests and both are perfect. But... if I use the Sony as the primary on the camera hot shoe and the Godox as the secondary (as receiver), everything works fine. But if I reverse the situation, Godox on the hot shoe as primary and Sony as secondary in wireless as receiver, Sony won't work. What do you think I'm doing wrong?

Frankly I am shocked the Sony flash triggers the Godox light. Do you have the Godox set to be triggered by the light from the Sony or are you actually using the wireless protocol?

the little godox has a selector for 3 positions: S1 OFF S2. In any of the two Ss it works perfectly. Now I don't know if it captures the light of the Sony or if it works wirelessly

 

[Travis Burnside]

The Sony and Godox RF wireless protocols are not compatible, so the Godox is being triggered optically. That's what the S1 and S2 modes are. I'm not familiar with the Sony flash, so you'll need to check to see if it can be set to be triggered optically in a similar manner. If you're using TTL on the master, you might need to set it to ignore the metering pre-flash.

 

[renixx]

The Sony and Godox RF wireless protocols are not compatible, so the Godox is being triggered optically. That's what the S1 and S2 modes are. I'm not familiar with the Sony flash, so you'll need to check to see if it can be set to be triggered optically in a similar manner. If you're using TTL on the master, you might need to set it to ignore the metering pre-flash.

ok you are probably right.So any godox is not compatible? If I wanted to buy a TT350 would I have the same problem (with Sony, hopefully not with the little godox)?

 

[Willy81]

The Sony and Godox RF wireless protocols are not compatible, so the Godox is being triggered optically. That's what the S1 and S2 modes are. I'm not familiar with the Sony flash, so you'll need to check to see if it can be set to be triggered optically in a similar manner. If you're using TTL on the master, you might need to set it to ignore the metering pre-flash.

The Godox Lux Junior does not have a Sony Multi Interface Shoe design (I would be reluctant to install on the A7M4 shoe). The Lux Junior only has a center pin contact and not designed to be used on a camera (like A7M4) with a Sony Multi Interface Shoe.

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I enjoy content, simplicity and light weight: A6500, A7C and A7RV w/Sony + G + GM Glass

 

[Willy81]

The Sony and Godox RF wireless protocols are not compatible, so the Godox is being triggered optically. That's what the S1 and S2 modes are. I'm not familiar with the Sony flash, so you'll need to check to see if it can be set to be triggered optically in a similar manner. If you're using TTL on the master, you might need to set it to ignore the metering pre-flash.

ok you are probably right.So any godox is not compatible? If I wanted to buy a TT350 would I have the same problem (with Sony, hopefully not with the little godox)?

The TT350s has the Sony Multi Interface Shoe.

 

[renixx]

The Sony and Godox RF wireless protocols are not compatible, so the Godox is being triggered optically. That's what the S1 and S2 modes are. I'm not familiar with the Sony flash, so you'll need to check to see if it can be set to be triggered optically in a similar manner. If you're using TTL on the master, you might need to set it to ignore the metering pre-flash.

ok you are probably right.So any godox is not compatible? If I wanted to buy a TT350 would I have the same problem (with Sony, hopefully not with the little godox)?

The TT350s has the Sony Multi Interface Shoe.

nad the works fine with Sony (and lux junior)?

 

[renixx]

The Sony and Godox RF wireless protocols are not compatible, so the Godox is being triggered optically. That's what the S1 and S2 modes are. I'm not familiar with the Sony flash, so you'll need to check to see if it can be set to be triggered optically in a similar manner. If you're using TTL on the master, you might need to set it to ignore the metering pre-flash.

so for both to work I should buy a hot shoe with a sensor? For me it would already be enough if the Sony shot in sync with any flash... or by force of the triggers?

 

[Brett8883]

The Sony and Godox RF wireless protocols are not compatible, so the Godox is being triggered optically. That's what the S1 and S2 modes are. I'm not familiar with the Sony flash, so you'll need to check to see if it can be set to be triggered optically in a similar manner. If you're using TTL on the master, you might need to set it to ignore the metering pre-flash.

so for both to work I should buy a hot shoe with a sensor? For me it would already be enough if the Sony shot in sync with any flash... or by force of the triggers?

I mean what’s wrong with having the Sony on camera and the Godox off camera like you have been doing?

S1 on the Godox is for when the Sony Flash is set to manual and S2 is when Sony is set to TTL. TTL has a preflash so that’s why, you don’t want the Godox to flash on the pre-flash just the main flash

 

[Brett8883]

For the record the Sony HVL f32M doesn’t seem to have an optical flash mode in the same way the Godox does. Apparently there is long convoluted way to trigger it optically if your Sony has a built in flash which can send some pulse that gets the Sony to fire optically but even then it doesn’t sound like it very reliable.

 

[renixx]

For the record the Sony HVL f32M doesn’t seem to have an optical flash mode in the same way the Godox does. Apparently there is long convoluted way to trigger it optically if your Sony has a built in flash which can send some pulse that gets the Sony to fire optically but even then it doesn’t sound like it very reliable.

Maybe I'm interpreting it wrong but according to the Sony specifications it seems to be ONLY optical... See here Sony

 

[renixx]

The Sony and Godox RF wireless protocols are not compatible, so the Godox is being triggered optically. That's what the S1 and S2 modes are. I'm not familiar with the Sony flash, so you'll need to check to see if it can be set to be triggered optically in a similar manner. If you're using TTL on the master, you might need to set it to ignore the metering pre-flash.

so for both to work I should buy a hot shoe with a sensor? For me it would already be enough if the Sony shot in sync with any flash... or by force of the triggers?

I mean what’s wrong with having the Sony on camera and the Godox off camera like you have been doing?

Nothing... but I like use it also off camera

 

[Willy81]

The Sony and Godox RF wireless protocols are not compatible, so the Godox is being triggered optically. That's what the S1 and S2 modes are. I'm not familiar with the Sony flash, so you'll need to check to see if it can be set to be triggered optically in a similar manner. If you're using TTL on the master, you might need to set it to ignore the metering pre-flash.

ok you are probably right.So any godox is not compatible? If I wanted to buy a TT350 would I have the same problem (with Sony, hopefully not with the little godox)?

The TT350s has the Sony Multi Interface Shoe.

nad the works fine with Sony (and lux junior)?

Take a look at the hot shoe on both of your flashes. You will notice the junior does not have a compatible Multi Interface Shoe. With only a center pin connection it will have very limited operation / functionality with your A7M4. Although, if your Godox Lux Junior works for you with limited functions and meets your needs, that's great

Godox makes great flash units that have Multi Interface Shoe and are compatible with your A7M4 (but not the Godox Lux Junior - you just need the right one).




TT350s hotshoe

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I enjoy content, simplicity and light weight: A6500, A7C and A7RV w/Sony + G + GM Glass

 

[Brett8883]

For the record the Sony HVL f32M doesn’t seem to have an optical flash mode in the same way the Godox does. Apparently there is long convoluted way to trigger it optically if your Sony has a built in flash which can send some pulse that gets the Sony to fire optically but even then it doesn’t sound like it very reliable.

Maybe I'm interpreting it wrong but according to the Sony specifications it seems to be ONLY optical... See here Sony

It looks like Sony Wireless Flash protocol can use pluses of light or radio signals to communicate. So that’s what Sony means. It can’t be used as an optical slave like the Godox can.

If you had another Sony flash to be the master or as Sony calls it the “CTRL” you could use that on camera to control the off camera Sony flash. it even sounds like Godox flashes with multi interface shoe are supposed to be able to trigger Sony flashes off camera (Note I just tried for an hour to get this to work and couldn’t) however, your Lux doesn’t have this functionality.

My advice would be to either always use the Sony on camera or to cut your loses with the Sony flash and just go all Godox stuff. Frankly, the Sony off camera flash system is just terrible.

Here’s the most complete explanation of the Sony wireless flash system I have seen to date but frankly this is just way too complicated.

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support.d-imaging.sony.co.jp

 

[renixx]

For the record the Sony HVL f32M doesn’t seem to have an optical flash mode in the same way the Godox does. Apparently there is long convoluted way to trigger it optically if your Sony has a built in flash which can send some pulse that gets the Sony to fire optically but even then it doesn’t sound like it very reliable.

Maybe I'm interpreting it wrong but according to the Sony specifications it seems to be ONLY optical... See here Sony

It looks like Sony Wireless Flash protocol can use pluses of light or radio signals to communicate. So that’s what Sony means. It can’t be used as an optical slave like the Godox can.

If you had another Sony flash to be the master or as Sony calls it the “CTRL” you could use that on camera to control the off camera Sony flash. it even sounds like Godox flashes with multi interface shoe are supposed to be able to trigger Sony flashes off camera (Note I just tried for an hour to get this to work and couldn’t) however, your Lux doesn’t have this functionality.

My advice would be to either always use the Sony on camera or to cut your loses with the Sony flash and just go all Godox stuff. Frankly, the Sony off camera flash system is just terrible.

Here’s the most complete explanation of the Sony wireless flash system I have seen to date but frankly this is just way too complicated.
https://support.d-imaging.sony.co.jp/support/acc/flash/en/wireless/setup.html

thanks you are very clear! So if I decided to sell the Sony (I'm keeping the LUNX as an emergency) which pair of Godox would you recommend? Possibly not excessively large and expensive

 

[Brett8883]

For the record the Sony HVL f32M doesn’t seem to have an optical flash mode in the same way the Godox does. Apparently there is long convoluted way to trigger it optically if your Sony has a built in flash which can send some pulse that gets the Sony to fire optically but even then it doesn’t sound like it very reliable.

Maybe I'm interpreting it wrong but according to the Sony specifications it seems to be ONLY optical... See here Sony

It looks like Sony Wireless Flash protocol can use pluses of light or radio signals to communicate. So that’s what Sony means. It can’t be used as an optical slave like the Godox can.

If you had another Sony flash to be the master or as Sony calls it the “CTRL” you could use that on camera to control the off camera Sony flash. it even sounds like Godox flashes with multi interface shoe are supposed to be able to trigger Sony flashes off camera (Note I just tried for an hour to get this to work and couldn’t) however, your Lux doesn’t have this functionality.

My advice would be to either always use the Sony on camera or to cut your loses with the Sony flash and just go all Godox stuff. Frankly, the Sony off camera flash system is just terrible.

Here’s the most complete explanation of the Sony wireless flash system I have seen to date but frankly this is just way too complicated.
https://support.d-imaging.sony.co.jp/support/acc/flash/en/wireless/setup.html

thanks you are very clear! So if I decided to sell the Sony (I'm keeping the LUNX as an emergency) which pair of Godox would you recommend? Possibly not excessively large and expensive

 

[renixx]

For the record the Sony HVL f32M doesn’t seem to have an optical flash mode in the same way the Godox does. Apparently there is long convoluted way to trigger it optically if your Sony has a built in flash which can send some pulse that gets the Sony to fire optically but even then it doesn’t sound like it very reliable.

Maybe I'm interpreting it wrong but according to the Sony specifications it seems to be ONLY optical... See here Sony

It looks like Sony Wireless Flash protocol can use pluses of light or radio signals to communicate. So that’s what Sony means. It can’t be used as an optical slave like the Godox can.

If you had another Sony flash to be the master or as Sony calls it the “CTRL” you could use that on camera to control the off camera Sony flash. it even sounds like Godox flashes with multi interface shoe are supposed to be able to trigger Sony flashes off camera (Note I just tried for an hour to get this to work and couldn’t) however, your Lux doesn’t have this functionality.

My advice would be to either always use the Sony on camera or to cut your loses with the Sony flash and just go all Godox stuff. Frankly, the Sony off camera flash system is just terrible.

Here’s the most complete explanation of the Sony wireless flash system I have seen to date but frankly this is just way too complicated.
https://support.d-imaging.sony.co.jp/support/acc/flash/en/wireless/setup.html

thanks you are very clear! So if I decided to sell the Sony (I'm keeping the LUNX as an emergency) which pair of Godox would you recommend? Possibly not excessively large and expensive

I would probably look at the V350S or TT350s if you want just small guys (which I get). Full disclosure, I haven’t actually used these but I have several Godox flashes and they all work approximately the same.

I personally would like the V350s over the TT350s because it has a rechargeable lithium ion battery which means it can recycle faster, double the shots per charge, and doesn’t have a power falloff as the batteries get low. However, I could see a point being made that you could get rechargeable AAs for the TT and just replace the batteries more frequently for a lot less money.

Ok... And then two cheap TT350 could be right?

 

[Brett8883]

For the record the Sony HVL f32M doesn’t seem to have an optical flash mode in the same way the Godox does. Apparently there is long convoluted way to trigger it optically if your Sony has a built in flash which can send some pulse that gets the Sony to fire optically but even then it doesn’t sound like it very reliable.

Maybe I'm interpreting it wrong but according to the Sony specifications it seems to be ONLY optical... See here Sony

It looks like Sony Wireless Flash protocol can use pluses of light or radio signals to communicate. So that’s what Sony means. It can’t be used as an optical slave like the Godox can.

If you had another Sony flash to be the master or as Sony calls it the “CTRL” you could use that on camera to control the off camera Sony flash. it even sounds like Godox flashes with multi interface shoe are supposed to be able to trigger Sony flashes off camera (Note I just tried for an hour to get this to work and couldn’t) however, your Lux doesn’t have this functionality.

My advice would be to either always use the Sony on camera or to cut your loses with the Sony flash and just go all Godox stuff. Frankly, the Sony off camera flash system is just terrible.

Here’s the most complete explanation of the Sony wireless flash system I have seen to date but frankly this is just way too complicated.
https://support.d-imaging.sony.co.jp/support/acc/flash/en/wireless/setup.html

thanks you are very clear! So if I decided to sell the Sony (I'm keeping the LUNX as an emergency) which pair of Godox would you recommend? Possibly not excessively large and expensive

I would probably look at the V350S or TT350s if you want just small guys (which I get). Full disclosure, I haven’t actually used these but I have several Godox flashes and they all work approximately the same.

I personally would like the V350s over the TT350s because it has a rechargeable lithium ion battery which means it can recycle faster, double the shots per charge, and doesn’t have a power falloff as the batteries get low. However, I could see a point being made that you could get rechargeable AAs for the TT and just replace the batteries more frequently for a lot less money.

Ok... And then two cheap TT350 could be right?

 

[Brett8883]

Also, be sure you get the Sony versions. TT350s . The “s” is for Sony.