Realistically, what changes would you expect to see in the xPro4

[Truman Prevatt]

As an x-pro3 owner, and previously the 1 & 2 versions I’m pretty happy with it as it is. I don’t feel the camera is lacking in capabilities, don’t need IBIS, or a 40mp sensor, although probably will happen.

Happy with the screen, EVF & OVF, although preferred the x-pro1/2 OVF and would like to see it revert to that.

Beyond that, more than happy.

I'm quite happy with the XPro3 but if the XPro4 has the 40 MP sensor with pixel shift - it would be very tempting. I expect they will update the EVF as the update in the XH2 is pretty impressive.

As far as the screen goes - either leave it as is or go to a FAS. I want a screen that I can turn against the body to protect. I'm fine with the Pro3 drop down. I'd be fine with the FAS similar to the XT4 or XH2S. I would not be fine with any other design. If there is a design problem related to the ribbon cable - then fix that (that's why you hire engineers) and don't throw out the baby with the bath water. It is unclear at this point if a) the failure rate is greater than one would expect at random and if it is if it is caused by a design issue or a bad batch of cables.

IBIS - if it does not add one gram of weight, or add one nanometer is any linear dimension or reduce the battery life by one nanosecond and does not cause design trades in other areas like EVF/OFV hybrid finder, then I can live with it. Other wise no.

 

[Jeff Biscuits]

IBIS - if it does not add one gram of weight, or add one nanometer is any linear dimension or reduce the battery life by one nanosecond, then I can live with it. Other wise no.

That’ll be “no” then, what with physics and stuff

 

[Threaded]

You can’t have the pixel shift without IBIS. Sounds to me like you want IBIS..

 

[John Gellings]

I think they will change the back screen since it has been a repair nightmare for them.

What's the repair nightmare? I haven't heard.

There have been reports of the ribbon cable connecting the screen to the body giving out. I believe John had this problem and has posted about it in the forum. However, it is not clear how widespread the problem is….

Well, in the thread I made, we had several others. There have been various complaints on the fuji and X-pro Facebook groups. Each time a complaint is made, there are several more who also had the issue. I think we will see more to this in the future as more fail. This cable can only take so much stress and it appears they used the wrong cable for the screen. If it was not a problem, we would not see the same issue come up over and over.

 

[Rod McD]

Hi,

I'll take a guess at XT5 guts in an X Pro body

• 40mpx sensor
• IBIS
• the bigger battery to drive the IBIS
• a slightly thicker grip to house the bigger battery
• not sure if they'll keep the screen arrangement, but all screen designs are divisive
• extra tweaks on the AF, the EVF and
• yet another sim

Cheers, Rod

 

[John Gellings]

Hi,

I'll take a guess at XT5 guts in an X Pro body

• 40mpx sensor
• IBIS
• the bigger battery to drive the IBIS
• a slightly thicker grip to house the bigger battery

Oh god, I hope they do not start making grips on this camera. I do not need a Fuji version of a Sony.

 

[Morris0]

I expect the logo on the camera will change

Morris

 

[Truman Prevatt]

You can’t have the pixel shift without IBIS. Sounds to me like you want IBIS..

I though about that after I pushed the send button. In reality I can live without pixel shift if it means the camera will be larger or heavier.

 

[bastibe]

Here are the changes I want:

• 40 MP sensor / 5th gen processor
• IBIS
• X100V style screen
• X-Pro3 style viewfinder

If they do that, I'll most likely buy it instantly.

But the question is not what I want, but what I expect. And frankly, I expect shenanigans. Something playful, like the X-Pro3's screen setup. Something unique, that sets it apart from traditional cameras. If they do too much of that, I'll probably stick with my X-Pro2 and succumb to GAS a year later.

 

[IIIV]

Stacked sensor, joystick, and AEL/AF ON buttons, like the ones in X-H2S.

 

[Shooters on My Squad]

Maintaining or reducing the weight is also a big deal to me. I won’t buy the X-T or X-H series because of weight.

I neither think both series will be lighter in the future, nor do I think that they are too heavy, especially with lenses like the XF 16-55mm F2.8.

 

[Andreasfe]

Expect:
IBIS
NP-W235 battery


Hope:
X-T3 type screen.

 

[goodbokeh]

I expect the X-Pro 4 will be an early 2024 model. Leica has hinted its next M camera (M12) will have ibis and I believe the X-Pro 4 will have this feature also. It will have the larger X-T4 battery and a slightly altered grip to accommodate it. Carry over designs will be the rear LCD, finish choices, and the OVF/EVF.

The new features will take up space but will not substantially alter the X-Pro's overall body design. Also, the X-Pro 4 will have high performance C-AF & high speed burst capability for the street photography. That's the primary role it has always been designed for.

This will all be accomplished by using the stacked 26MP sensor of the X-H2S. Allowing for both stellar street photo performance and saving space & weight by removing the mechanical shutter, just like Nikon has done with the Z9.

 

[BrianBrianBrian]

Maintaining or reducing the weight is also a big deal to me. I won’t buy the X-T or X-H series because of weight.

I neither think both series will be lighter in the future, nor do I think that they are too heavy, especially with lenses like the XF 16-55mm F2.8.

Every hi-end Fujifilm camera is too large and heavy for me, except the X-Pro line. I already have a Sony A7r III WITH 24-104mm f/4 and 50mm f/1.2. My interest in Fujifilm now is primarily small and light lenses with the X-Pro.

 

[BrianBrianBrian]

I expect the X-Pro 4 will be an early 2024 model. Leica has hinted its next M camera (M12) will have ibis and I believe the X-Pro 4 will have this feature also. It will accommodate the larger X-T4 battery and have a slightly altered grip to accommodate it. Carry over designs will be the rear LCD, finish choices, and the OVF/EVF.

The new features will will take up space but will not substantially alter the X-Pro's overall body design. Also, the X-Pro 4 will have high performance C-AF & high speed burst capability for the street photography. That's the primary role it has always been designed for.

This will all be accomplished by using the stacked 26MP sensor of the X-H2S. Allowing for both stellar street photo performance and saving space & weight by removing the mechanical shutter, just like Nikon has done with the Z9.

That’s exactly what I think they should do too.

And also provide a snap-on eyecup that effectively blocks the sun. And good eye relief.

 

[Foskito]

Obviously it’s going to have the same 40mp guts of the XH2/XT5 … IBIS is possible but I doubt it personally.

As much as it would be great to see the dual magnification reappear in the OVF I don’t think that’s realistic …

The million dollar question is whether they’ll continue with the existing screen setup or some slight variation of that, or make a more drastic change.

My thoughts exactly. New higher-res sensor is a shoo-in, IBIS could go either way, viewfinder will partly depend on the X100 unless there’s been overwhelming feedback about the OVF being a step down from the Pro2, and all bets are off regarding the rear screen.

One thing I hope to see is a cleaning-up of the rear of the camera so it’s as neat and tidy as the X100V and X-E4. If they do that then it may influence the screen: they could go with the flush style from those two bodies, or they could retain the hidden screen but make the body a whole lot better looking when closed, with better continuity of the lines and the removal of the edging around the various textured panels. Personally I hope the submonitor disappears in that overhaul, as I found it didn’t add any value and just added to the visual clutter.

So I think the high-res sensor and a design refresh will be the key features, possibly with IBIS or possibly not.

I’m curious to see whether they continue to follow the recent route of merging more shooting settings in with the custom settings. Removing the focus switch from the front of the X-Pro line would seem more contentious than for the X-E.

I was going to say exactly the same.

The X-Pro back is too busy, lot of things going on, while the X-E4 and X100v streamline backs are way nicer, more a-la-Leica M. They should get rid of the front grip too.

But might take quite some time to see an X-Pro4. 2 years maybe?

 

[John Gellings]

, the X-Pro 4 will have high performance C-AF & high speed burst capability for the street photography. That's the primary role it has always been designed for.

Not a lot of street shooters rely on these settings.

 

[Jeff Biscuits]

, the X-Pro 4 will have high performance C-AF & high speed burst capability for the street photography. That's the primary role it has always been designed for.

Not a lot of street shooters rely on these settings.

For street shooting the one thing I want more than any other is a lens with clicked positions for zone focusing, like a number of old fixed-lens film cameras, or even just a firmware function to do it (like the XF10 and pretty much every Ricoh camera).

 

[nonicks]

I’ve wanted an x-Pro since they hit the market years ago but I got locked into FF back in my Nikon days and switched to Sony, now I’m seriously thinking the xPro4 (when it arrives) will be my new travel camera.

I know no one knows for sure but from
those who have been using an xPro for years, what improvements do you realistically expect to see in the xPro4?

My expectations are straight forward:

1. New 40mp sensors,

2. Hybrid VF with upgraded EVF ( both magnification and resolution), and will bring back dual magnification OVF with 18mm frame line.

3. Newest AF as expected

4. Different back screen design. The flip down screen is too polarized and I bet they will change it.

5. IBIS

6. New battery

7. Same form factor but a tiny little thicker to accommodate the new battery and IBIS as well as improving ergonomic. Heavier than Xpro3.

8. Updated ISO adjustment ( same as X100V)

9. My wish ( not expectation) : add mini HDMI output and mic jack.

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[forest dream]

Realistic change:

• 40MP BSI-CMOS X-Trans sensor
• X-Processor 5
• AF algorithm used in X-H2
• LCD still same, only viewable when flipped down. But, more easy replace LCD ribbon.

Wishlist (but sure not coming):

• IBIS
• Larger hybrid OVF
• Tri-color E-Ink sub-monitor