Custom settings carried over to standard settings

[GuyMiller]

Hi all

on my Fuji xpro-3 when I use a custom setting with all the changes to the WB, clarity etc those settings remain when I take the camera out of a custom setting and use a film simulation I.e a standard film simulation. Why do the settings hold once you select a custom setting and is there anything that can be done about it? Thanks

 

[Greybeard2017]

Hi all

on my Fuji xpro-3 when I use a custom setting with all the changes to the WB, clarity etc those settings remain when I take the camera out of a custom setting and use a film simulation I.e a standard film simulation. Why do the settings hold once you select a custom setting and is there anything that can be done about it? Thanks

A custom setting is just a group of other settings (that may include Film Simulation).

You can't take the camera out of a custom setting - you either choose a different custom setting or change one of its components (which might be Film Simulation).

Custom Settings and Film Simulations are different concepts.

 

[Guyps]

You will notice that it will still have you set as a Base custom setting of whatever you chose last, and then you are tweaking some settings from that base.

I leave C1 as a setting with all the default settings that I normally have with a provia std film simulation.

So if I am in C6 for a '' kodacolor recipe'' but I just want to be in a standard Classic Chrome situation then I would have to switch to C1 to revert all the other settings back to my defaults and then switch my film simulation to classic chrome.

 

[Doug Pardee]

Yeah, this is confusing for sure.

Here's what's up: there are no "standard" settings. There are the "current" settings that are being used by the camera.

When you load a Custom Setting, you're copying that custom setting configuration into the current settings. The old values of the current settings are lost (except in the Q menu, see below).

This gets really freaky on the cameras that don't have an ISO dial, because the custom settings contain their own auto-ISO configurations. You go to a bunch of trouble to set up auto-ISO a certain way, then you load a custom setting and all of your work goes up in smoke.

The Q menu adds further confusion. When you open the Q menu, the current settings are saved as "BASE" custom setting. That way, if you accidentally select a custom setting, you can undo that as long as you're still in the Q menu. Once you close the Q menu, the BASE setting is lost.

On top of that: while you're in the Q menu, if you change any of the settings that are part of a custom setting configuration (such as film simulation), that change is applied to both the current settings and the BASE setting. The original value that was in the BASE setting is lost.

 

[robert1955]

Yeah, this is confusing for sure.

Here's what's up: there are no "standard" settings. There are the "current" settings that are being used by the camera.

When you load a Custom Setting, you're copying that custom setting configuration into the current settings. The old values of the current settings are lost (except in the Q menu, see below).

This gets really freaky on the cameras that don't have an ISO dial, because the custom settings contain their own auto-ISO configurations. You go to a bunch of trouble to set up auto-ISO a certain way, then you load a custom setting and all of your work goes up in smoke.

The Q menu adds further confusion. When you open the Q menu, the current settings are saved as "BASE" custom setting. That way, if you accidentally select a custom setting, you can undo that as long as you're still in the Q menu. Once you close the Q menu, the BASE setting is lost.

On top of that: while you're in the Q menu, if you change any of the settings that are part of a custom setting configuration (such as film simulation), that change is applied to both the current settings and the BASE setting. The original value that was in the BASE setting is lost.

Sounds very frustrating. One idea: could you make custom setting that would serve as your base?

 

[jaberg]

Sounds very frustrating. One idea: could you make custom setting that would serve as your base?

That’s how I do it on my X100V.

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The PSAM cameras will add to that frustration though. On the X-S10 (and I assume the new XH2s) the custom settings do control operational functions in addition to looks and there is no way to disassociate these. (Are you listening Fuji?) I can’t just pick a film recipe, because the photometry, focus settings and more come along for the ride.

I have a detailed list of frustrations. I’ll spare you. Save one. Understand I offer this in the context of a camera that I like and enjoy using overall. Its a frustration, not a dealbreaker.

My “base” camera has been set with labels for my manual lenses. So when I put the 35mm Summicron on…I pick it from the list and the lens will be identified from the metadata for those shots. If I flip over to C2 - “Morris’ BIF” those labels are gone. I can pick 35mm, but have no way of knowing (from the metadata) which 35mm I was using.

Somewhere out there is that person who uses C-settings to differentiate between their “Nikon” and “Voightlander” lenses but…that’s not me. Fortunately, I hardly ever combine BIF/Action with vintage lenses myself…but I also have the C4- “eXtreme” setting for low light and it wouldn’t be impossible to want to call that up with the Leica lens attached.

I do understand that this is a hard problem and it’s difficult to be all things to all people. I’m participating in a discussion about this on another forum and it’s difficult to come to consensus because everyone uses Custom Settings differently. At a very top level, we seem to be in agreement that detaching look from function and allowing a no change option for some (most? all?) pre-sets would go a long way towards smoothing over the bumps.

And if you think I’m doing it wrong? Please, educate me. I don’t pretend to understand every detail of the X-S1o.

 

[acarb]

Sounds very frustrating. One idea: could you make custom setting that would serve as your base?

Hi Robert, that is exactly what I do. I riserve 1 custom setting to BASE. Parameters settinggs are all 0 or Auto or whatever I want as base setting ( for instance I normally shoot wth DR 100 and NR - 2). Than all I need to do is to select the standard film simulation for the following shooting

 

[Coldpaw]

Being an X100V and X-Pro3 owner, I am doing the same. Simply save one custom profile to use as a base or standard profile, while the rest will be used for something different, in example a number of different film recipes.

The concept is confusing at first, because once the first custom profile is set, there is no more base or standard setting. On my cameras C1 fulfills that purpose, while C2-C7 are configured for different recipes I've found online.

 

[robert1955]

Good to hear that my idea, while by no means perfect, is workable. But how alert must you be to not mess up that base / custom 1 setting?

 

[jaberg]

Good to hear that my idea, while by no means perfect, is workable. But how alert must you be to not mess up that base / custom 1 setting?

In the case of the X100V, and I assume all “traditional dial” cameras, changes you make to a Custom Setting will persist for the duration of that “session”. The next time you select that Custom Setting you’re back to the pre-set values. You have to explicitly save changes.

With the X-S10 you can elect whether or not changes you make while using a C-setting become permanent. This decision is made on a global level and applies to all of the C-settings.

 

[Coldpaw]

Indeed, I never messed up a profile accidently. You have to select it and then save it, the camera also asks if you are indeed sure to save the changes you've made. I think it is fairly well thought out, as there are also two ways to change the settings of a profile:

1. Edit a specific profile and change those settings

2. Save current settings to a specific profile