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I am an apprising fashion photographer and am currently using a Nikon D3500 body with a AF- P Nikkor 18-55mm 1:3.5-5.6G kit lens. However I want a shallower depth of field which I feel I cannot get with this lens. Can I use I different brand lens such as cannon and do you have any suggestions on what lens would be good to get.
 
I am an apprising fashion photographer and am currently using a Nikon D3500 body with a AF- P Nikkor 18-55mm 1:3.5-5.6G kit lens. However I want a shallower depth of field which I feel I cannot get with this lens. Can I use I different brand lens such as cannon and do you have any suggestions on what lens would be good to get.
Try a 50mm f/1.8.

Since you're on a cropped sensor, you may want a 35mm f/1.8, a 50mm x 1.5 may be a bit too tight.

If you'd like an f/2 lens, Canon offers one, the EF35mm f/2 lens, but that meant you're switching systems.

Everyone's shooting style and preferred focal length is different, do look at the images you have taken previously and look through the metadata and see which were the more common focal lengths you shot, then consider buying the prime lens of that focal length.

You may also consider switching to full frame. I am on the Canon world so I know most of the cameras around here, but I am not sure about the Nikon world. In the Canon world there are cameras like the EOS 5D Mark II which can be bought for a rather inexpensive price, giving you a good full frame sensor so you no longer have to deal with crop factor. However, the EOS 5D Mark II does come with disadvantages like a focusing system and frame rate that isn't ideal for faster pace shooting (action, wildlife). If you only shoot fashion, these may not be too big of a deal. Look at what you look for in a camera and have a look at what full frame cameras you can afford and may want to switch to. Keep in mind that no matter what full frame body you buy, you cannot reuse the same lens that you currently own, the 18-55mm kit, so you have to set aside budget for good lenses.
 
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I am an apprising fashion photographer and am currently using a Nikon D3500 body with a AF- P Nikkor 18-55mm 1:3.5-5.6G kit lens. However I want a shallower depth of field which I feel I cannot get with this lens. Can I use I different brand lens such as cannon and do you have any suggestions on what lens would be good to get.
"Depth of field" is determined by various factors, but a rough rule of thumb states that smaller f/stop values gives you shallower depth of field. On your lens, the minimum f/stop values of f/3.5 (at 18 mm) and f/5.6 (at 55 mm) won't reduce the depth of field much, unless you focus really closely on your subject. See this article for details:


Also note that depth of field is also partly subjective, and it assumes that the viewer has 20/20 vision is viewing a well-lit image from a distance that's equal to the diagonal width of the image. If you step close to the image, the depth of field gets shallower, and if you view the image from a greater distance, the depth of field gets deeper.

But maybe you really aren't interested in depth of field? Maybe you just want a blurrier background? In that case, the math is easier and there are fewer assumptions. There are two things you need to worry about:
  • Have a distant background. For maximum effect, make sure that the distance between the subject and the background is at least ten times the distance between the camera and the subject.
  • Have a larger "entrance pupil diameter", which is defined as the focal length divided by the f/stop you are using.
For example with your lens, at 18 mm, you can set your f/stop to f/3.5; while at 55 mm you can set it at f/5.6. So we calculate the entrance pupil diameters of both:

18 mm / 3.5 = 5.1 mm

55 mm / 5.6 = 9.8 mm

So you'll get 90% more background blur (assuming a distant background) at 55 mm, even though it has a larger f/stop.

Here are some lenses for your camera, suitable for taking portraits:

35 mm / 1.8 = 19.4 mm

50 mm / 1.4 = 35.7 mm

85 mm / 1.4 = 60.7 mm

105 mm / 2 = 52.5 mm

135 mm / 2.8 = 48.2 mm

200 mm / 2.8 = 71.4 mm

So even a common 35 mm normal prime for your camera will give you about 2 to 4 times the background blur of your kit lens. Beginner portrait photographers with APS-C cameras, such as yours, frequently start out using 50 mm or 85 mm lenses, although in my opinion, a fast zoom lens is very useful.

You probably would want to keep a distance between yourself and your models—say about 15 feet—for personal comfort, minimizing distortion, and practicality, and so your choice of focal length determines how much of your model you show in a single photo. But understand that camera distance is another creative factor, and some do well by being close or very far.

Understand that not all lenses are the same, and some lenses produce different qualities of background blur—otherwise known as bokeh—with some being smooth and others being harsh and jittery. If you look at many high-end photoshoots, smooth bokeh is nearly universal, as you typically don't want it to call attention to itself.

Also, some inexpensive lenses perform poorly when wide open. Unfortunately, getting both good wide-open performance and good bokeh tend be only found in expensive lenses.

As an aspiring fashion photographer, know that your personality and rapport with your models and clients is more important than this, as is your work ethic. Technically, good lighting design and set-dressing are likely of greater importance than your lens. Hair, makeup, and fashion styling are even more important, and having a model with the right 'look' is of supreme importance.
 
I am an apprising fashion photographer and am currently using a Nikon D3500 body with a AF- P Nikkor 18-55mm 1:3.5-5.6G kit lens. However I want a shallower depth of field which I feel I cannot get with this lens. Can I use I different brand lens such as cannon and do you have any suggestions on what lens would be good to get.
I'd get this one.

 
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The question about depth of field has been answered. Not sure if anyone addressed the use of other manufacturer's lenses.

Canon not recommended because they use a different mount and their lenses will need an adapter.

But there are many 3rd party manufacturers that make lenses that are made for the Nikon mount. Sigma, Tamron & Tokina to name a few.
 
You should have a wide choice of secondhand lenses if you look at the stock of reputable dealers such as MPB. If you’re not very experienced in the world of photographic equipment, you may not wish to spend a lot on a lens which you’re not certain about. Try looking at MPB.com and go for Nikon fit lenses. There are, as you will know, several camera manufacturers and most have different lens fittings or ‘mounts’. There are also several companies which manufacture lenses in all the common mounts - as has been mentioned, Sigma is one such and their products are excellent. MPB and a few other reputable dealers give you a guarantee with their lenses and cameras, and also tell you what condition a lens is in.
 
I am an apprising fashion photographer and am currently using a Nikon D3500 body with a AF- P Nikkor 18-55mm 1:3.5-5.6G kit lens. However I want a shallower depth of field which I feel I cannot get with this lens. Can I use I different brand lens such as cannon and do you have any suggestions on what lens would be good to get.
Fashion photos are typically shot with deep depth of field. Sometimes fashion editorials use shallower DOF to create a mood, but many fashion photos want deep depth of field to keep all the fashion items in focus. The clothes, accessories, makeup, hair, etc..

To keep the subject in focus, but make the background blurry, move the subject away from the background and move your position closer to the subject.
 
The question about depth of field has been answered. Not sure if anyone addressed the use of other manufacturer's lenses.

Canon not recommended because they use a different mount and their lenses will need an adapter.

But there are many 3rd party manufacturers that make lenses that are made for the Nikon mount. Sigma, Tamron & Tokina to name a few.
Like this one?

https://www.sigmaphoto.com/lenses/standard-lenses/18-50mm-f2-8-dc-dn-c
That lens is offered in an E-Mount and L-Mount, so no, not the correct lens for a Nikon F-Mount.

Not to say it could not be used with an adapter, but if one is buying a lens, why not buy a lens that is designed for their camera?
 
The question about depth of field has been answered. Not sure if anyone addressed the use of other manufacturer's lenses.

Canon not recommended because they use a different mount and their lenses will need an adapter.

But there are many 3rd party manufacturers that make lenses that are made for the Nikon mount. Sigma, Tamron & Tokina to name a few.
Like this one?

https://www.sigmaphoto.com/lenses/standard-lenses/18-50mm-f2-8-dc-dn-c
That lens is offered in an E-Mount and L-Mount, so no, not the correct lens for a Nikon F-Mount.

Not to say it could not be used with an adapter, but if one is buying a lens, why not buy a lens that is designed for their camera?
Ah, shoot, didn't know that. What ever happened to that Sigma 18-35 f1.8? Out of production?
 
I am an apprising fashion photographer and am currently using a Nikon D3500 body with a AF- P Nikkor 18-55mm 1:3.5-5.6G kit lens. However I want a shallower depth of field which I feel I cannot get with this lens. Can I use I different brand lens such as cannon and do you have any suggestions on what lens would be good to get.
Fashion photos are typically shot with deep depth of field. Sometimes fashion editorials use shallower DOF to create a mood, but many fashion photos want deep depth of field to keep all the fashion items in focus. The clothes, accessories, makeup, hair, etc..
Fashion photos are also often shot at a significant distance, to benefit from compression.
To keep the subject in focus, but make the background blurry, move the subject away from the background and move your position closer to the subject.
Yeahs, that's quite right if one's only concern is increasing the background blur relative to the subject sharpness. But moving closer to your subject is rarely a good idea in fashion shoots.

I'd suggest OP get a longer and faster lens. An 85mm f/1.8 may be a relatively inexpensive choice.

I use a 70-200mm f/2.8, but that may be too costly for somebody just starting out.

I also support the idea of OP learning about lighting and then buying some lighting equipment. The book Light: Science and Magic may be a good place to start.
 
For fashion, go for a longer lens -- unless you're shooting only in a small studio.

Since you're using a D3500 I assume you're on a budget. If that's the case the Nikon Nikon AF-S DX NIKKOR 55-200mm f/4-5.6G ED VR II Lens looks like a pretty good choice at around $350. Look for a lens with image stabilization (VR in Nikon brands). In addition to helping blur backgrounds the extra length will give you more of a "fashion look" if that's what you want, and the zoom will give you more choices of both look and shooting conditions.

If you have more budget, a 70-200 f2.8 or f4 is pretty much a standard in fashion work and should serve you well if you move up to a high end camera in the future.

In addition to Nikon, Sigma and Tamron make quality lenses in Nikon mount. If you are shopping used there are a lot of choices in this zoom range from all three makers. You can probably find something workable under $200.

Also, you can consider controlling blur in processing. A little time and some of the newer software will do wonders, plus they will give you more control and choice of looks than you can get in the camera.

A couple of tips:

-- Shoot at a longish zoom setting and widest practical aperture. With the lens above maybe around 150mm at f5.6. That's a good focal length for a fashion look, but you're not so far back from your model that you have to shout instructions. Plus the lens is probably sharper toward the middle of the range than at the long end.

-- Keep the model well out from the background. I'd say 15 feet / 3 meters if you can, and farther is better.

-- Be sure your model is really sharp, with accurate focus and no camera shake or subject movement. Use a tripod or monopod when practical. It's the contrast between the sharp model and blurred background that really sells the look.

-- Avoid distractions in the background. Lens blur will not make up for a poor choice of background. No bright spots (unless they add to the image), distracting colors or the like. One advantage of the longer lens is you include a smaller area of background, making it easier to avoid distractions.

And finally, shoot a lot. Experience is the best teacher here. If you cannot shoot fashion or models often enough find some other subjects that will help you hone your camera technique. If you cannot shoot every day, try for at least three times a week.

Good luck.

Gato
 
For fashion, go for a longer lens -- unless you're shooting only in a small studio.

Since you're using a D3500 I assume you're on a budget. If that's the case the Nikon Nikon AF-S DX NIKKOR 55-200mm f/4-5.6G ED VR II Lens looks like a pretty good choice at around $350. Look for a lens with image stabilization (VR in Nikon brands). In addition to helping blur backgrounds the extra length will give you more of a "fashion look" if that's what you want, and the zoom will give you more choices of both look and shooting conditions.

If you have more budget, a 70-200 f2.8 or f4 is pretty much a standard in fashion work and should serve you well if you move up to a high end camera in the future.

In addition to Nikon, Sigma and Tamron make quality lenses in Nikon mount. If you are shopping used there are a lot of choices in this zoom range from all three makers. You can probably find something workable under $200.

Also, you can consider controlling blur in processing. A little time and some of the newer software will do wonders, plus they will give you more control and choice of looks than you can get in the camera.

A couple of tips:
I think the OP is shooting with a crop camera which will make his 18-55 similar to a 24-70 full frame.

I think of fashion as highlighting the clothes. A lot of full length, 3/4 shots and a few half body. I like a 24-70 for fashion. For beauty and hair, I like a 70-200 for headshots and chest up.

Subject 15' feet from the background is pretty far. Will need a big area to do that and allow for the camera position. Especially if you are shooting full length fashion.

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I think the OP is shooting with a crop camera which will make his 18-55 similar to a 24-70 full frame.
Right. I got that.
I think of fashion as highlighting the clothes. A lot of full length, 3/4 shots and a few half body. I like a 24-70 for fashion. For beauty and hair, I like a 70-200 for headshots and chest up.
You are right about highlighting the clothes, but I'd prefer a longer lens for full length, and certainly for half body. When I was really doing it we'd often use 200. On crop I'd be thinking 70 to 100 or 135, longer if there's room.

And yes, it's all about the clothes.

But either way the OP is likely going to want something longer at least some of the time.
Subject 15' feet from the background is pretty far. Will need a big area to do that and allow for the camera position. Especially if you are shooting full length fashion.
Yep. I'm thinking mostly outdoors, of course, where the background is often a half block or more away. I'm guessing the OP is thinking outdoors since beginners rarely have much access to studio space. And in studio background blur is rarely an issue -- either you're on seamless or a cyc or you want things relatively in focus.

Just to check myself, I did a quick Google for street fashion and outdoor fashion photography. Probably half or more of the photos had the background well outside 15 feet -- a half a city block to a full block was pretty typical. Most of the rest had the model right against the background, where DOF blur is just not going to apply.

Of course there a zillion ways to do it and we're all kind of guessing at what look the OP is going for, but from my experience in the business they are going to feel a need for a longer lens before long.

Gato
 
I am an apprising fashion photographer and am currently using a Nikon D3500 body with a AF- P Nikkor 18-55mm 1:3.5-5.6G kit lens. However I want a shallower depth of field which I feel I cannot get with this lens. Can I use I different brand lens such as cannon and do you have any suggestions on what lens would be good to get.
Get the 35mm f/1.8 G lens. The APS-C version should be affordable.

Some of my favorite photos were taken with the Nikon D7000 (similar specs to the D3500) and this lens.




http://sodium.nyc/portfolio/slides/AndreeaBed.php

http://sodium.nyc/portfolio/slides/AndreeaLingerie.php

http://sodium.nyc/portfolio/slides/AndreeaDenim2.php

http://sodium.nyc/portfolio/slides/rozi_bodice.php

http://sodium.nyc/portfolio/slides/RoziBikini.php

http://sodium.nyc/portfolio/slides/RoziWhiteWater.php

Once you get a feel for it, maybe think about getting a longer lens like a 50mm.

But I used that camera + lens combination for years and was totally happy with it - one camera + 1 lens. Get to know that camera & that lens and then consider something else.

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I think the OP is shooting with a crop camera which will make his 18-55 similar to a 24-70 full frame.
Right. I got that.
I think of fashion as highlighting the clothes. A lot of full length, 3/4 shots and a few half body. I like a 24-70 for fashion. For beauty and hair, I like a 70-200 for headshots and chest up.
You are right about highlighting the clothes, but I'd prefer a longer lens for full length, and certainly for half body. When I was really doing it we'd often use 200. On crop I'd be thinking 70 to 100 or 135, longer if there's room.

And yes, it's all about the clothes.

But either way the OP is likely going to want something longer at least some of the time.
Subject 15' feet from the background is pretty far. Will need a big area to do that and allow for the camera position. Especially if you are shooting full length fashion.
Yep. I'm thinking mostly outdoors, of course, where the background is often a half block or more away. I'm guessing the OP is thinking outdoors since beginners rarely have much access to studio space. And in studio background blur is rarely an issue -- either you're on seamless or a cyc or you want things relatively in focus.

Just to check myself, I did a quick Google for street fashion and outdoor fashion photography. Probably half or more of the photos had the background well outside 15 feet -- a half a city block to a full block was pretty typical. Most of the rest had the model right against the background, where DOF blur is just not going to apply.

Of course there a zillion ways to do it and we're all kind of guessing at what look the OP is going for, but from my experience in the business they are going to feel a need for a longer lens before long.

Gato
You are right about outdoor and street shoots having more background room. I was thinking in studio. I have to do more outdoor shoots.

200mm for full length fashion shot ? How far away from the model do you stand ? I guess I am just used to shooting in tighter spaces.
 
You are right about outdoor and street shoots having more background room. I was thinking in studio. I have to do more outdoor shoots.

200mm for full length fashion shot ? How far away from the model do you stand ? I guess I am just used to shooting in tighter spaces.
I have not done real fashion in years, I've been retired a long time. This one from last year is about the closest thing I have handy. This was 184mm equivalent (actually 92mm on m4/3) --



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It's just about half a block from me to that white building on the right and she's maybe halfway between. This is f5.6 and there's a pretty decent amount of blur. (FWIW, those poles on the left were bright yellow and wanted to take over the photo, so I made them blend in. Wish now I'd made them gray to match the other side. )

Hope that helps.

Gato

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