Lens copy variation: made in Japan vs. made in elsewhere?

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Hey,
My question is towards people who have had experience with Canon and other systems. I've heard a lot about the durability and longevity of made in Japan Canon lenses, but what about copy variations?
I've had an awful experience with Nikon in the past with 70-200 VRII and 80-400, and I know how frustrating it can be. What mostly drives me away from the current Nikon and Sony systems is the lens QC issues. I'm not playing the copy roulette game again.
I understand it's not easy to quantify, but it's the more important part of the system. So, again, how does Canon's made in Japan lens compare to others in terms of copy variations?
Cheers!
 
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Hey,
My question is towards people who have had experience with Canon and other systems. I've heard a lot about the durability and longevity of made in Japan Canon lenses, but what about copy variations?
I've had an awful experience with Nikon in the past with 70-200 VRII and 80-400, and I know how frustrating it can be. What mostly drives me away from the current Nikon and Sony systems is the lens QC issues. I'm not playing the copy roulette game again.
I understand it's not easy to quantify, but it's the more important part of the system. So, again, how does Canon's made in Japan lens compare to others in terms of copy variations?
Cheers!
Optical Copy variation depends on several factors:

1) Original design...
Hey,
My question is towards people who have had experience with Canon and other systems. I've heard a lot about the durability and longevity of made in Japan Canon lenses, but what about copy variations?
I've had an awful experience with Nikon in the past with 70-200 VRII and 80-400, and I know how frustrating it can be. What mostly drives me away from the current Nikon and Sony systems is the lens QC issues. I'm not playing the copy roulette game again.
I understand it's not easy to quantify, but it's the more important part of the system. So, again, how does Canon's made in Japan lens compare to others in terms of copy variations?
Cheers!
no matter where the canon/nikon gear are made at, they still have to meet canon/nikon standard quality! if they don't pay attention to their standard quality, they basically shoot themselves in the foot!
 
Hey,
My question is towards people who have had experience with Canon and other systems. I've heard a lot about the durability and longevity of made in Japan Canon lenses, but what about copy variations?
I've had an awful experience with Nikon in the past with 70-200 VRII and 80-400, and I know how frustrating it can be. What mostly drives me away from the current Nikon and Sony systems is the lens QC issues. I'm not playing the copy roulette game again.
I understand it's not easy to quantify, but it's the more important part of the system. So, again, how does Canon's made in Japan lens compare to others in terms of copy variations?
Cheers!
When I see Made In Japan - it inspires a lot of confidence. On the EOS M system I have had copy variations for the 15-45mm and for the 18-150. Both lenses are NOT made in Japan. Not sure whether it is an EOS-M lens QC issue or not made in Japan hence not the QC we usually expect. I know its a psychological thing for me. The stuff I own include DSLR's and RF mount and made in Japan seems to be built much better and feels substantial in general. I will admit I am biased towards made in Japan gear and that may be already influencing my brains to see things in a certain manner. The day I heard Canon is moving back most of its manufacturing back to Japan was a happy day for me. I would pay a bit more to get Japanese stuff.

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Hey,
My question is towards people who have had experience with Canon and other systems. I've heard a lot about the durability and longevity of made in Japan Canon lenses, but what about copy variations?
I've had an awful experience with Nikon in the past with 70-200 VRII and 80-400, and I know how frustrating it can be. What mostly drives me away from the current Nikon and Sony systems is the lens QC issues. I'm not playing the copy roulette game again.
I understand it's not easy to quantify, but it's the more important part of the system. So, again, how does Canon's made in Japan lens compare to others in terms of copy variations?
Cheers!
I know its a psychological thing for me.
It's not psychological. I don't own anything Canon, but can confirm from various living walking sources that their lenses quality is not a placebo! Mostly old EF stuff, scratched and dirty, but all of it working as new. That's why I'm not asking about the durability and materials quality, because I already know that. My concern is about the optical performance variations.
 
Hey,
My question is towards people who have had experience with Canon and other systems. I've heard a lot about the durability and longevity of made in Japan Canon lenses, but what about copy variations?
I've had an awful experience with Nikon in the past with 70-200 VRII and 80-400, and I know how frustrating it can be. What mostly drives me away from the current Nikon and Sony systems is the lens QC issues. I'm not playing the copy roulette game again.
I understand it's not easy to quantify, but it's the more important part of the system. So, again, how does Canon's made in Japan lens compare to others in terms of copy variations?
Cheers!
 
Lensrentals.com's blog is a great source of information about lens copy variation. Modern manufacturing techniques and practices have reduced sample variation to a high degree, but there is no brand that offers zero variability, with zoom lenses varying most. To my knowledge the glass elements and most of the lens body components are produced in Japan with final assembly and packaging done in other countries. Many of the lower to mid price level lenses from all major Japanese manufacturers are sourced from companies in Japan, South Korea, Taiwan and China.
 
Hey,
My question is towards people who have had experience with Canon and other systems. I've heard a lot about the durability and longevity of made in Japan Canon lenses, but what about copy variations?
I've had an awful experience with Nikon in the past with 70-200 VRII and 80-400, and I know how frustrating it can be. What mostly drives me away from the current Nikon and Sony systems is the lens QC issues. I'm not playing the copy roulette game again.
I understand it's not easy to quantify, but it's the more important part of the system. So, again, how does Canon's made in Japan lens compare to others in terms of copy variations?
Cheers!
Optical Copy variation depends on several factors:

1) Original design tolerancing: a design can be more or less tolerant of variation. Unfortunately, more tolerant often equates to less sharp or less something else.

2) Specifications of manufacturing tolerances: this is somewhat price dependent. A more exact size cam or grind is more expensive. Notice 'more exact'. There is no perfect.

3) Intra-assembly QA: this basically is whether each subassembly is tested and how during manufacture. The variation here is huge between manufacturers. Some use interferometers on every element and group. Some shine a light through it. Some assume it's fine.

4) End assembly testing: Testing 'end manufacture' is too late, really. It keeps the really bad stuff from getting out but the financial cost of failing a lens is huge so there are mixed pressures here.

As others have said, most of this is manufacturer specific not country specific, but it does matter some. Zeiss brand manufactured in Germany, for example, has nothing in common with a Zeiss-xxxx partnership lens (which often is not manufactured by either the partner or Zeiss).

There's also today's reality that you know where the lens was assembled and often by what company. You have no clue in many cases who made the components inside it and where before said components were shipped to the place of assembly. Your made in Japan (or Germany or wherever) often has major blocks that were manufactured in China. The best example I've seen was a lens that the ENTIRE optical assembly was made in China, then inserted into the barrel in another country. That's rare but there are a number of lenses where the focusing group, motors, IS unit etc. are made elsewhere.

Canon makes the vast majority of what is in a Canon lens and they are all assembled in Canon's manner, more than most manufacturers for sure. One final note of some interest: those manufacturing methods change over time, so an 'older design' Canon lens made last Thursday made using the testing and standards of when it was designed 15 years ago.
 
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Canon makes the vast majority of what is in a Canon lens and they are all assembled in Canon's manner, more than most manufacturers for sure. One final note of some interest: those manufacturing methods change over time, so an 'older design' Canon lens made last Thursday made using the testing and standards of when it was designed 15 years ago.
Thanks!
That's the confirmation I was looking for.
 
Same brand same model cars made in France vs made in Germany. Which would you trust more? You are much more likely to get a lemon from Friday afternoon assembly line from France than Germany. Don't get me wrong, most of modern French cars can be reliable for many years but the odd lemon you might end up getting, can be bizarrely horrendous in quality. And in camera we don't have lemon law, a bad copy can be frustrating to sort out, and best outcome is usually a replacement.

QC does matter but you can't change a nation's work ethic. End of the day, 99% of employees in Nikon Thailand factory are Thai nationals. Thai people are a lot less serious about standards as a whole, compared to Japanese.
 

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