Compact rumors?

[John Gellings]

I have no problem paying $2000+ if someone can make me Ricoh GR sized camera with a FF sensor,

then you can say goodbye to the snap shot usefulness . Fortunately , I think Ricoh understands this even if you don t

Harold

Did I ask Ricoh to make it? It's ok, I know how to focus my camera using autofocus (and even manual focus). I don't need snap.

 

[sae1lin2aug3]

I have no problem paying $2000+ if someone can make me Ricoh GR sized camera with a FF sensor,

then you can say goodbye to the snap shot usefulness . Fortunately , I think Ricoh understands this even if you don t

Harold

Did I ask Ricoh to make it? It's ok, I know how to focus my camera using autofocus (and even manual focus). I don't need snap.

Do you what the "snap" ?

 

[Harold66]

I have no problem paying $2000+ if someone can make me Ricoh GR sized camera with a FF sensor,

then you can say goodbye to the snap shot usefulness . Fortunately , I think Ricoh understands this even if you don t

Harold

Did I ask Ricoh to make it? It's ok, I know how to focus my camera using autofocus (and even manual focus). I don't need snap.

I ve got news for you. Ricoh does not care what you or I need ;-). the snap focus is one of the remaining features of the camera and one which gets praised in the reviews , so it is likely there to stay :-|

Harold

 

[John Gellings]

I have no problem paying $2000+ if someone can make me Ricoh GR sized camera with a FF sensor,

then you can say goodbye to the snap shot usefulness . Fortunately , I think Ricoh understands this even if you don t

Harold

Did I ask Ricoh to make it? It's ok, I know how to focus my camera using autofocus (and even manual focus). I don't need snap.

Do you what the "snap" ?

 

[John Gellings]

I have no problem paying $2000+ if someone can make me Ricoh GR sized camera with a FF sensor,

then you can say goodbye to the snap shot usefulness . Fortunately , I think Ricoh understands this even if you don t

Harold

Did I ask Ricoh to make it? It's ok, I know how to focus my camera using autofocus (and even manual focus). I don't need snap.

I ve got news for you. Ricoh does not care what you or I need ;-). the snap focus is one of the remaining features of the camera and one which gets praised in the reviews , so it is likely there to stay :-|

Harold

 

[Overrank]

I have no problem paying $2000+ if someone can make me Ricoh GR sized camera with a FF sensor, a pop-up evf and a 45-50mm lens. Unfortunately, price is not the bottleneck for a camera like this.

What is the bottleneck ? It can’t be optics as there are many full frame film cameras with similar optics to the GR that are smaller (I was using one this morning). If it’s sensor size, batteries etc then that’s just a question of waiting for the technology to catch up.

Which FF camera has an autofocus lens smaller than the GR on a body as small as the GR? And yes, I agree, it's a matter of waiting for technology to catch up.

The Minox 35 EL I was using is significantly smaller than the GR, but I hadn’t considered AF. The Olympus Mju ii f/2.8 is 35mm, has autofocus and is smaller in every dimension apart from depth, where it’s 2mm thicker. Tbh. If it didn’t have the clamshell it would be thinner too.

In terms of the comment above about the difference in sensor design and film, again there’s no rule that today’s sensors will be forever, in the future sensors could be of different design and remove any size limitations.

 

[John Gellings]

I have no problem paying $2000+ if someone can make me Ricoh GR sized camera with a FF sensor, a pop-up evf and a 45-50mm lens. Unfortunately, price is not the bottleneck for a camera like this.

What is the bottleneck ? It can’t be optics as there are many full frame film cameras with similar optics to the GR that are smaller (I was using one this morning). If it’s sensor size, batteries etc then that’s just a question of waiting for the technology to catch up.

Which FF camera has an autofocus lens smaller than the GR on a body as small as the GR? And yes, I agree, it's a matter of waiting for technology to catch up.

The Minox 35 EL I was using is significantly smaller than the GR, but I hadn’t considered AF. The Olympus Mju ii f/2.8 is 35mm, has autofocus and is smaller in every dimension apart from depth, where it’s 2mm thicker. Tbh. If it didn’t have the clamshell it would be thinner too.

Of course film cameras are smaller, they don’t need to fit all of the electronics inside. However, it took until 60s to really make strides on miniaturization.

In terms of the comment above about the difference in sensor design and film, again there’s no rule that today’s sensors will be forever, in the future sensors could be of different design and remove any size limitations.

I agree completely.

 

[markyboy81]

If you ignore the “second system users” I.e. those who grew up with film but then converted to digital, and just look at “digital natives” then my experience is that most are quite happy with phones, and can see no compelling reason to buy a standalone camera (I’m talking most, not all, of course). They use phones for photos and video - they even fit them into steadicam arrangements and (pre COVID) make travel videos.

I was very taken by a shop that only sold film cameras that I went to a couple of years ago. It was full of people, all under 30. In comparison the average high street camera shop in the U.K. is struggling, because theres no unique selling point.

I can see some 'novelty' in shooting on film, but the reality is here in the UK's very expensive to keep shooting on film once that novelty has gone. Especially if you don't have a shop near you, you have to pay for the film, postage, then postage of the film to a lab, lab processing, prints or scanning and return postage if you want the negs back. Soon adds up compared to a second hand 5d etc.

Even the instant Polarid cameras that have seen some resurgence are very costly per click if you plan to make it an ongoing thing.

To be honest I don't understand the resurgence in popularity of film? Is this nostalgia? Or younger people doing it to be different?

Seems similar to people still buying vinyl, or worse still starting to buy vinyl. It'll never make sense to me, but each to their own.

 

[John Gellings]

If you ignore the “second system users” I.e. those who grew up with film but then converted to digital, and just look at “digital natives” then my experience is that most are quite happy with phones, and can see no compelling reason to buy a standalone camera (I’m talking most, not all, of course). They use phones for photos and video - they even fit them into steadicam arrangements and (pre COVID) make travel videos.

I was very taken by a shop that only sold film cameras that I went to a couple of years ago. It was full of people, all under 30. In comparison the average high street camera shop in the U.K. is struggling, because theres no unique selling point.

I can see some 'novelty' in shooting on film, but the reality is here in the UK's very expensive to keep shooting on film once that novelty has gone. Especially if you don't have a shop near you, you have to pay for the film, postage, then postage of the film to a lab, lab processing, prints or scanning and return postage if you want the negs back. Soon adds up compared to a second hand 5d etc.

Even the instant Polarid cameras that have seen some resurgence are very costly per click if you plan to make it an ongoing thing.

To be honest I don't understand the resurgence in popularity of film? Is this nostalgia? Or younger people doing it to be different?

Seems similar to people still buying vinyl, or worse still starting to buy vinyl. It'll never make sense to me, but each to their own.

Why would it not make sense? People like to try different things sometimes...

 

[markyboy81]

If you ignore the “second system users” I.e. those who grew up with film but then converted to digital, and just look at “digital natives” then my experience is that most are quite happy with phones, and can see no compelling reason to buy a standalone camera (I’m talking most, not all, of course). They use phones for photos and video - they even fit them into steadicam arrangements and (pre COVID) make travel videos.

I was very taken by a shop that only sold film cameras that I went to a couple of years ago. It was full of people, all under 30. In comparison the average high street camera shop in the U.K. is struggling, because theres no unique selling point.

I can see some 'novelty' in shooting on film, but the reality is here in the UK's very expensive to keep shooting on film once that novelty has gone. Especially if you don't have a shop near you, you have to pay for the film, postage, then postage of the film to a lab, lab processing, prints or scanning and return postage if you want the negs back. Soon adds up compared to a second hand 5d etc.

Even the instant Polarid cameras that have seen some resurgence are very costly per click if you plan to make it an ongoing thing.

To be honest I don't understand the resurgence in popularity of film? Is this nostalgia? Or younger people doing it to be different?

Seems similar to people still buying vinyl, or worse still starting to buy vinyl. It'll never make sense to me, but each to their own.

Why would it not make sense? People like to try different things sometimes...

 

[BrentSchumer]

To be honest I don't understand the resurgence in popularity of film? Is this nostalgia? Or younger people doing it to be different?

Seems similar to people still buying vinyl, or worse still starting to buy vinyl. It'll never make sense to me, but each to their own.

The fewer people that do it and the less convenient it is, the better it is. Or something.

 

[Mark B.]

To be honest I don't understand the resurgence in popularity of film? Is this nostalgia? Or younger people doing it to be different?

Seems similar to people still buying vinyl, or worse still starting to buy vinyl. It'll never make sense to me, but each to their own.

The fewer people that do it and the less convenient it is, the better it is. Or something.

Then 8-track tape shoulda had a massive resurgence

 

[Overrank]

If you ignore the “second system users” I.e. those who grew up with film but then converted to digital, and just look at “digital natives” then my experience is that most are quite happy with phones, and can see no compelling reason to buy a standalone camera (I’m talking most, not all, of course). They use phones for photos and video - they even fit them into steadicam arrangements and (pre COVID) make travel videos.

I was very taken by a shop that only sold film cameras that I went to a couple of years ago. It was full of people, all under 30. In comparison the average high street camera shop in the U.K. is struggling, because theres no unique selling point.

I can see some 'novelty' in shooting on film, but the reality is here in the UK's very expensive to keep shooting on film once that novelty has gone. Especially if you don't have a shop near you, you have to pay for the film, postage, then postage of the film to a lab, lab processing, prints or scanning and return postage if you want the negs back. Soon adds up compared to a second hand 5d etc.

Even the instant Polarid cameras that have seen some resurgence are very costly per click if you plan to make it an ongoing thing.

To be honest I don't understand the resurgence in popularity of film? Is this nostalgia? Or younger people doing it to be different?

Seems similar to people still buying vinyl, or worse still starting to buy vinyl. It'll never make sense to me, but each to their own.

Why would it not make sense? People like to try different things sometimes...

Yes, I guess it makes sense from that point of view.

For “digital natives” moving into film there is also a “cool” (bad word but I can’t think o& a better one) factor. You use a phone for all your imaging, why would you want to buy a digital camera ? It’s just more of the same and it’s something your parents use, so by definition not cool. Whereas a film camera is different...

Its not necessarily a resurgence, it might also be finding a level. When photography was invented people didn’t stop painting and drawing. I imagine the popularity went down a bit as people tried photography, but after a while painting and drawing became reasonably popular again. When digital cameras became popular there was a drop in the amount of film sold as people tried the new thing, and this “resurgence” is really the market going back to a more natural level.

btw. It’s not just vinyl, cassettes are making a comeback

 

[Overrank]

To be honest I don't understand the resurgence in popularity of film? Is this nostalgia? Or younger people doing it to be different?

Seems similar to people still buying vinyl, or worse still starting to buy vinyl. It'll never make sense to me, but each to their own.

The fewer people that do it and the less convenient it is, the better it is. Or something.

Then 8-track tape shoulda had a massive resurgence

Cassettes are “Cassette sales double in a year with Lady Gaga best-selling album on tape” https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/newsbeat-55476419

 

[markyboy81]

If you ignore the “second system users” I.e. those who grew up with film but then converted to digital, and just look at “digital natives” then my experience is that most are quite happy with phones, and can see no compelling reason to buy a standalone camera (I’m talking most, not all, of course). They use phones for photos and video - they even fit them into steadicam arrangements and (pre COVID) make travel videos.

I was very taken by a shop that only sold film cameras that I went to a couple of years ago. It was full of people, all under 30. In comparison the average high street camera shop in the U.K. is struggling, because theres no unique selling point.

I can see some 'novelty' in shooting on film, but the reality is here in the UK's very expensive to keep shooting on film once that novelty has gone. Especially if you don't have a shop near you, you have to pay for the film, postage, then postage of the film to a lab, lab processing, prints or scanning and return postage if you want the negs back. Soon adds up compared to a second hand 5d etc.

Even the instant Polarid cameras that have seen some resurgence are very costly per click if you plan to make it an ongoing thing.

To be honest I don't understand the resurgence in popularity of film? Is this nostalgia? Or younger people doing it to be different?

Seems similar to people still buying vinyl, or worse still starting to buy vinyl. It'll never make sense to me, but each to their own.

Why would it not make sense? People like to try different things sometimes...

Yes, I guess it makes sense from that point of view.

For “digital natives” moving into film there is also a “cool” (bad word but I can’t think o& a better one) factor. You use a phone for all your imaging, why would you want to buy a digital camera ? It’s just more of the same and it’s something your parents use, so by definition not cool. Whereas a film camera is different...

Its not necessarily a resurgence, it might also be finding a level. When photography was invented people didn’t stop painting and drawing. I imagine the popularity went down a bit as people tried photography, but after a while painting and drawing became reasonably popular again. When digital cameras became popular there was a drop in the amount of film sold as people tried the new thing, and this “resurgence” is really the market going back to a more natural level.

btw. It’s not just vinyl, cassettes are making a comeback

Oh no not cassettes. I draw the line at cassettes. Used them exclusively when I was young and I was very glad to see the back of them once CDs and then MP3 came along.

 

[Overrank]

btw. It’s not just vinyl, cassettes are making a comeback

Oh no not cassettes. I draw the line at cassettes. Used them exclusively when I was young and I was very glad to see the back of them once CDs and then MP3 came along.

Nakamichi Dragon cassette decks are now making £2000 on the big auction site. I’ve heard of people buying them and having them delivered straight to a technician in the USA for a full service (on top of the purchase price).

 

[Mark B.]

If you ignore the “second system users” I.e. those who grew up with film but then converted to digital, and just look at “digital natives” then my experience is that most are quite happy with phones, and can see no compelling reason to buy a standalone camera (I’m talking most, not all, of course). They use phones for photos and video - they even fit them into steadicam arrangements and (pre COVID) make travel videos.

I was very taken by a shop that only sold film cameras that I went to a couple of years ago. It was full of people, all under 30. In comparison the average high street camera shop in the U.K. is struggling, because theres no unique selling point.

I can see some 'novelty' in shooting on film, but the reality is here in the UK's very expensive to keep shooting on film once that novelty has gone. Especially if you don't have a shop near you, you have to pay for the film, postage, then postage of the film to a lab, lab processing, prints or scanning and return postage if you want the negs back. Soon adds up compared to a second hand 5d etc.

Even the instant Polarid cameras that have seen some resurgence are very costly per click if you plan to make it an ongoing thing.

To be honest I don't understand the resurgence in popularity of film? Is this nostalgia? Or younger people doing it to be different?

Seems similar to people still buying vinyl, or worse still starting to buy vinyl. It'll never make sense to me, but each to their own.

Why would it not make sense? People like to try different things sometimes...

Yes, I guess it makes sense from that point of view.

For “digital natives” moving into film there is also a “cool” (bad word but I can’t think o& a better one) factor. You use a phone for all your imaging, why would you want to buy a digital camera ? It’s just more of the same and it’s something your parents use, so by definition not cool. Whereas a film camera is different...

Its not necessarily a resurgence, it might also be finding a level. When photography was invented people didn’t stop painting and drawing. I imagine the popularity went down a bit as people tried photography, but after a while painting and drawing became reasonably popular again. When digital cameras became popular there was a drop in the amount of film sold as people tried the new thing, and this “resurgence” is really the market going back to a more natural level.

btw. It’s not just vinyl, cassettes are making a comeback

Oh no not cassettes. I draw the line at cassettes. Used them exclusively when I was young and I was very glad to see the back of them once CDs and then MP3 came along.

Couldn't agree more. There's absolutely nothing I miss about cassettes.

 

[Mark B.]

To be honest I don't understand the resurgence in popularity of film? Is this nostalgia? Or younger people doing it to be different?

Seems similar to people still buying vinyl, or worse still starting to buy vinyl. It'll never make sense to me, but each to their own.

The fewer people that do it and the less convenient it is, the better it is. Or something.

Then 8-track tape shoulda had a massive resurgence

Cassettes are “Cassette sales double in a year with Lady Gaga best-selling album on tape” https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/newsbeat-55476419

Yikes, that's just bonkers.

 

[PG_Photo]

Advanced Compact Camera with Big Sensor offering a 18mm focal length or wide view?

I don't think there is a compact camera with a wide view under 24/20mm?!

Nikon Premium Compact DL 18-50 f1.8-2.8

With small or compact cameras being used, more and more, to vlog, ...

I am wondering if a Nikon (ZV-1 style) with a 18mm-XXmm, hot shoe, 4K, 1", 20MP, f1.8-X.X, fully articulated touch screen, mic & headphones jacks, EVF if possible,... could be a thing?

Yes I know about Smartphones photography and camera market struggling.

 

[FrancoD]

Sorry I did not have time to read the thread but usualy rumors have a small start but expand later on. Sometime they just die.

That is just a theory of mine.