The cost to edit 8K RAW footage

[funjp]

I was just wondering how much would it cost to have a PC or Mac to edit 8K RAW footage . I know it's probably more than an arm and a leg . A Dell 31.5 inches 8K monitor is almost US$ 5K . Add to that a top of the line graphics card , memory , a NAS , internal SSDs , CPU . It's probably the price of some EOS R5 bodies + some fast RF lenses .

 

[fredlord]

Building a PC for Working with 8K Footage - Logical Increments Blog

With the release of a consumer level 8K video camera comes the never ending challenge of having a PC for Working with 8K footage. Time to get building!

blog.logicalincrements.com

 

[Lawn Lends]

I am not a video editor, but I know you don't need an 8k monitor to edit 8k video. Most people will be outputting to 4k anyway, so I would stick with a nice 4k monitor.

Do you plan to output full 8k video? Or do you just want to see your video in its full glory on your computer?

Don't get me wrong, it would be nice to have a LARGE 8k monitor and move a 4k window around in it for cropping video in its full glory. But you could do the same with a 4k monitor, you just wouldn't see all the detail until you watch the 4k result. My 4k monitor is 32 inches, and that is small. I can't imagine how big an 8k monitor would be with the same crappy dpi of my 32 inch 3k monitor.

 

[jonpais]

http://blog.logicalincrements.com/2020/07/building-pc-editing-8k-footage/

 

[SafariBob]

You can spend as much as you like, or (almost) as little as you like.

There’s two ways to think about it:

1.) buy a custom built desktop pc, and upgrade components as and when convenient

2.) buy, say, an iMac, and max out with 3rd party memory.

both will work. The former will have more performance, the latter more convenience. You can also do it with laptops etc, but then you are doing proxies all the time, which you may end up with anyway.

 

[Bigbradford]

http://blog.logicalincrements.com/2020/07/building-pc-editing-8k-footage/

$4,200.00

 

[hunk]

I was just wondering how much would it cost to have a PC or Mac to edit 8K RAW footage . I know it's probably more than an arm and a leg . A Dell 31.5 inches 8K monitor is almost US$ 5K . Add to that a top of the line graphics card , memory , a NAS , internal SSDs , CPU . It's probably the price of some EOS R5 bodies + some fast RF lenses .

If you are serious about editing R5 footage you will be looking at a system that can fast decode HEVC 10bit 4:2:2 files.

That's difficult.

I think Apple will have accelerated HEVC 4:2:2 in its new 2021 ARM iMacs as the current iPad has HEVC 4:2:2 support (although 8bit).

 

[jonpais]

I was just wondering how much would it cost to have a PC or Mac to edit 8K RAW footage . I know it's probably more than an arm and a leg . A Dell 31.5 inches 8K monitor is almost US$ 5K . Add to that a top of the line graphics card , memory , a NAS , internal SSDs , CPU . It's probably the price of some EOS R5 bodies + some fast RF lenses .

If you are serious about editing R5 footage you will be looking at a system that can fast decode HEVC 10bit 4:2:2 files.
That's difficult.
I think Apple will have accelerated HEVC 4:2:2 in its new 2021 ARM iMacs as the current iPad has HEVC 4:2:2 support (although 8bit).

Yes. And he will want 8K HDR TV.

 

[Chris_Chapterten]

I was just wondering how much would it cost to have a PC or Mac to edit 8K RAW footage . I know it's probably more than an arm and a leg . A Dell 31.5 inches 8K monitor is almost US$ 5K . Add to that a top of the line graphics card , memory , a NAS , internal SSDs , CPU . It's probably the price of some EOS R5 bodies + some fast RF lenses .

If you are serious about editing R5 footage you will be looking at a system that can fast decode HEVC 10bit 4:2:2 files.
That's difficult.
I think Apple will have accelerated HEVC 4:2:2 in its new 2021 ARM iMacs as the current iPad has HEVC 4:2:2 support (although 8bit).

Any ideas on when PC hardware will support h.265 4:2:2 10 bit?

I'm waiting until that's available before I upgrade my old PC.

 

[eyesofscars0311]

I was just wondering how much would it cost to have a PC or Mac to edit 8K RAW footage . I know it's probably more than an arm and a leg . A Dell 31.5 inches 8K monitor is almost US$ 5K . Add to that a top of the line graphics card , memory , a NAS , internal SSDs , CPU . It's probably the price of some EOS R5 bodies + some fast RF lenses .

If you are serious about editing R5 footage you will be looking at a system that can fast decode HEVC 10bit 4:2:2 files.
That's difficult.
I think Apple will have accelerated HEVC 4:2:2 in its new 2021 ARM iMacs as the current iPad has HEVC 4:2:2 support (although 8bit).

so does this mean as of right now an iPad Pro is actually a more powerful editing tool for the R5 than a Mac?

 

[Droster]

I was just wondering how much would it cost to have a PC or Mac to edit 8K RAW footage . I know it's probably more than an arm and a leg . A Dell 31.5 inches 8K monitor is almost US$ 5K . Add to that a top of the line graphics card , memory , a NAS , internal SSDs , CPU . It's probably the price of some EOS R5 bodies + some fast RF lenses .

If you are serious about editing R5 footage you will be looking at a system that can fast decode HEVC 10bit 4:2:2 files.
That's difficult.
I think Apple will have accelerated HEVC 4:2:2 in its new 2021 ARM iMacs as the current iPad has HEVC 4:2:2 support (although 8bit).

so does this mean as of right now an iPad Pro is actually a more powerful editing tool for the R5 than a Mac?

Pretty much.

 

[eyesofscars0311]

I was just wondering how much would it cost to have a PC or Mac to edit 8K RAW footage . I know it's probably more than an arm and a leg . A Dell 31.5 inches 8K monitor is almost US$ 5K . Add to that a top of the line graphics card , memory , a NAS , internal SSDs , CPU . It's probably the price of some EOS R5 bodies + some fast RF lenses .

If you are serious about editing R5 footage you will be looking at a system that can fast decode HEVC 10bit 4:2:2 files.
That's difficult.
I think Apple will have accelerated HEVC 4:2:2 in its new 2021 ARM iMacs as the current iPad has HEVC 4:2:2 support (although 8bit).

so does this mean as of right now an iPad Pro is actually a more powerful editing tool for the R5 than a Mac?

Pretty much.

I assume this is only pertaining to video and stills editing is faster on Mac?

 

[Marco Nero]

I was just wondering how much would it cost to have a PC or Mac to edit 8K RAW footage . I know it's probably more than an arm and a leg . A Dell 31.5 inches 8K monitor is almost US$ 5K . Add to that a top of the line graphics card , memory , a NAS , internal SSDs , CPU . It's probably the price of some EOS R5 bodies + some fast RF lenses .

I spoke to Apple about this when the R5 was announced with the demand being that you'd need to edit multi-stream 8K RAW. Their response was Eye-Watering. The real joke is that you ALSO need the new $10,000 Pro Display XDR monitor ... the one with the optional $999 stand. It wasn't showing up when I rendered the quote above. Without the high end monitor to grade your footage correctly, you won't know how flawed your editing is. Even if you pass on the stand, this brings the price on a Mac to AUD $88,099.00 (USD 63,126.00). But I'm sure that price comes down slightly if you buy it in the USA instead of Australia.As long as you've maxed out many of the specs, you should be able to edit 8K RAW footage to your heart's content. Can you edit 8K RAW on something less? Not easily if you're a Mac user. You'll still need to max out the features. PC might have something to offer but you still need a pro-grade monitor for editing.

--
Regards,
Marco Nero.

 

[Slaginfected]

http://blog.logicalincrements.com/2020/07/building-pc-editing-8k-footage/

$4,200.00

Something tells me an nvidia quadro would be better than a geforce card for editing.

@op, I would do some serious research before spending a dime on an 8k rig. Just my 2 cents.

What they also haven't listed is actual permanent storage. I finally got myself one of these action cams, and while I could run it at higher resolutions I keep it at FullHD 50/60p. This goes easily into the 2-digit GB each time I do something, just with FullHD. Just the last handful of weekends amount to ~150GB of footage.

If you want to keep the 8K raw material around for later reediting/reuse, even a 10TB drive will get soaked up so fast, sooner than later there will be another 10TB drive be needed. And then we haven't talked about backups and stuff like that, yet.

So the final price point is even beyond these mentioned $4.2k.

 

[Stu T]

I was just wondering how much would it cost to have a PC or Mac to edit 8K RAW footage . I know it's probably more than an arm and a leg . A Dell 31.5 inches 8K monitor is almost US$ 5K . Add to that a top of the line graphics card , memory , a NAS , internal SSDs , CPU . It's probably the price of some EOS R5 bodies + some fast RF lenses .

If you are serious about editing R5 footage you will be looking at a system that can fast decode HEVC 10bit 4:2:2 files.
That's difficult.
I think Apple will have accelerated HEVC 4:2:2 in its new 2021 ARM iMacs as the current iPad has HEVC 4:2:2 support (although 8bit).

Any ideas on when PC hardware will support h.265 4:2:2 10 bit?
I'm waiting until that's available before I upgrade my old PC.

Well I think it only has to be the GFX card? On the ipad it is the GPU I believe, not the CPU. Intel does do x265 in the CPU, but assuming the Video Editing vendors can do it in the GPU, then that might be the most cost effective change to your PC.

I'm watching to see what the new Nvidia and AMD cards will bring in the Autumn, and then maybe wait a year for the prices to come down. In the meanwhile, I can just downsample any 8K footage to 4K.... I've not tried converting 4:2:2 to 4:2:0 or 4:4:4 to see if that improved things.

I doubt the ipad in that YT has a PCIe gen 4 storage interface, so I am not convinced on that PC spec other than a good opportunity to make a good sell and say "this is state of the art, so if it isn't quick enough, well it's not our fault"... lol.

I guess it also depends on whether you want to edit professionally or privately.

 

[lawny13]

I was just wondering how much would it cost to have a PC or Mac to edit 8K RAW footage . I know it's probably more than an arm and a leg . A Dell 31.5 inches 8K monitor is almost US$ 5K . Add to that a top of the line graphics card , memory , a NAS , internal SSDs , CPU . It's probably the price of some EOS R5 bodies + some fast RF lenses .

If you are serious about editing R5 footage you will be looking at a system that can fast decode HEVC 10bit 4:2:2 files.
That's difficult.
I think Apple will have accelerated HEVC 4:2:2 in its new 2021 ARM iMacs as the current iPad has HEVC 4:2:2 support (although 8bit).

so does this mean as of right now an iPad Pro is actually a more powerful editing tool for the R5 than a Mac?

Pretty much.

I assume this is only pertaining to video and stills editing is faster on Mac?

Basically the video explains that the PC or MAC hardware have issues decoding 422. So the macs are still more powerful.



I run a MBP and an EGPU. Basically if I “upgrade” my GPU to one that can handle 422, it would smoke the iPad. Anyone with a PC should be able to do such an upgrade. I wouldn’t want to deal with an iPad and storage and it’s interface for editing.

 

[cowabungakid]

They don't show any tests... so I'd be leary about that graphics card.

I'd get big nvme drive + nas + beefy damned card.

 

[funjp]

I suspect a Network Attached Storage would be needed to store such amount of data . HDD redundancy implied , as you wouldn't want to loose your data . In a place like Japan , so prone to earthquakes cloud storage would also be a sound idea , but I can't imagine the price . We don't have wired metered connections here in Japan , but I can't move more than 30 GB in less than 48 hours , I think .

 

[funjp]

Here in Japan , space is a luxury that few can afford , so no more than 32 inches for a 8K monitor for me . I'm just cogitating about , but at the moment with all that's going around it's difficult to invest in such a rig . It's possible to use a 4K monitor to edit the footage but , if you want to check the 8K output , such a monitor is needed . There are people who are already buying those expensive OLED TV sets , but I would be thinking more on corporate clients for the moment .

 

[funjp]

We're all waiting for Nvidia's new product announcement at the end of August , as rumor has it . The new RTX 3080 , or whatever it will be called .