Anyone else notice the new Canon 600mm & 800mm lens designs?

[LarsRost]

Fastest aperture for the XF 100-400mm + 1.4x at 560mm is F8. When shooting birds I usually stop down to F9 or F10 for a little bump in contrast and sharpness and ISO is usually between 200 to 2500. In daylight F11 at 800mm can be fast enough and still provide nice out of focus backgrounds. You will find decent zoom lenses that go to 600mm without spending a fortune, but not 800mm.

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[Greg7579]

Fastest aperture for the XF 100-400mm + 1.4x at 560mm is F8. When shooting birds I usually stop down to F9 or F10 for a little bump in contrast and sharpness and ISO is usually between 200 to 2500. In daylight F11 at 800mm can be fast enough and still provide nice out of focus backgrounds. You will find decent zoom lenses that go to 600mm without spending a fortune, but not 800mm.

Lars,

That is a very good post. Yes, I have used the 1.4x tc with that lens many times and it pushes it to 840 at F8 right? I think I almost always shot it at F8 but looked at a bunch of shots I took with it and I did shoot some at F11 on a monopod!

So I guess your post made me realize that poking fun at a locked F11 in order to get that kind of price size weight is not such a bad idea. Hmmmm. Canon will have a way to get that long long glass into the hands of more people that can make it work in many situations.

But it also makes you think of one of the big advantages of APSC. Reach.

Now, time for Fuji to make some long primes. That will happen. But will they be super high end and fast? Like that 200? I think so, but I know they were freaked out by that 200.

 

[DarnGoodPhotos]

Hi,

The Fuji system lacks long lenses...

Sure, but bear in mind that those are full frame focal lengths. The 100-400 matches the 600mm's field of view, and with the 1.4TC is close to the 800mm's field of view. Cant argue with the size or price of those Canon's tho.

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[DarnGoodPhotos]

Rod, F11 at 400 and 600mm? You would have to be on a tripod with a completely still subject unless you shot ISO 50 million.

I wonder how the new Canon will do at ISO 57 bazillion?

I just metered my 55-200 out the window this morning; it's 8.30am but there was a patch of sunlight. The camera returned SS1/500, f11, and ISO5000 which would likely be around ISO3200 on the Canons. Considering these lenses are intended for bright daylight shooting I really don't see it as an issue as the ISO would be even lower, but if you try to use them for situations they weren't designed for, you're going to have bad time.

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[Morris0]

As a long time manager I learned a great lesson from some of the very best managers. One must take risks and be brave enough to try what many would not. If you fail, lick your wounds and try something else.

I suspect Canon is trying this approach. If nothing else they are getting a lot of attention and that's great marketing!

Morris

 

[LarsRost]

Fastest aperture for the XF 100-400mm + 1.4x at 560mm is F8. When shooting birds I usually stop down to F9 or F10 for a little bump in contrast and sharpness and ISO is usually between 200 to 2500. In daylight F11 at 800mm can be fast enough and still provide nice out of focus backgrounds. You will find decent zoom lenses that go to 600mm without spending a fortune, but not 800mm.

Lars,

That is a very good post. Yes, I have used the 1.4x tc with that lens many times and it pushes it to 840 at F8 right? I think I almost always shot it at F8 but looked at a bunch of shots I took with it and I did shoot some at F11 on a monopod!

So I guess your post made me realize that poking fun at a locked F11 in order to get that kind of price size weight is not such a bad idea. Hmmmm. Canon will have a way to get that long long glass into the hands of more people that can make it work in many situations.

But it also makes you think of one of the big advantages of APSC. Reach.

Now, time for Fuji to make some long primes. That will happen. But will they be super high end and fast? Like that 200? I think so, but I know they were freaked out by that 200.

Hi Greg,

Yes, I think 560mm on APS-C is approx 840mm in full frame equivalent field of view. In my experience this is a nice focal length for bird photography but 800mm (1200mm in full frame equiv. FOV) would be awesome. Perhaps it will work with the Fringer adapter in case Fuji does not release something similar.

.lars
https://www.flickr.com/photos/larsrost/

 

[KariP]

Rod, F11 at 400 and 600mm? You would have to be on a tripod with a completely still subject unless you shot ISO 50 million.

I wonder how the new Canon will do at ISO 57 bazillion?

Fuji 100-400 with x2 extender is very much like f 11 800mm

These ODD Canon lenses were published with a FF camera that has effective IBIS - there is no real need for a tripod in ISO 2000 (5x IBIS makes it like 100 000 ISO or so ? )

Lens design like this for a APS C could be even lighter.

 

[timwit]

I think it's great for Canon. According to the video (linked), it appears the lenses are aimed at beginners wanting to dip their toes in wildlife photography.



Tim C.

 

[Iku-Turso]

Yes, I think 560mm on APS-C is approx 840mm in full frame equivalent field of view. In my experience this is a nice focal length for bird photography but 800mm (1200mm in full frame equiv. FOV) would be awesome. Perhaps it will work with the Fringer adapter in case Fuji does not release something similar.

Unfortunately they're RF lenses which are very hard if not impossible to adapt as there's only a 2mm gap to work with..

 

[LarsRost]

Yes, I think 560mm on APS-C is approx 840mm in full frame equivalent field of view. In my experience this is a nice focal length for bird photography but 800mm (1200mm in full frame equiv. FOV) would be awesome. Perhaps it will work with the Fringer adapter in case Fuji does not release something similar.

Unfortunately they're RF lenses which are very hard if not impossible to adapt as there's only a 2mm gap to work with..

Darn

 

[Batdude]

It's interesting that the new Canon lenses are getting as much play and discussion in the non-Canon forums as with the Canon shooters. They're getting a lot of attention in the Nikon forums.

I have to hand it to Canon for finding a way to offer their customers long focal length at an affordable price. Because it's Canon and they've a well-earned rep for designing quality optics, I'm just going to assume these lenses will be sharp and aberration-free. They're fixed focal length and fixed aperture so, the optical engineers were able to design the elements to meet only one formula. I'd also guess the optics are entirely machine-figured.

That said, I have no interest in them. My long lens is a zoom reaching to 500mm, f/5.6. There are times I use it with a 1.4x TC at 700mm, f/8-11 but those are few and fast between. Canon's f/11 primes should work well in good, midday light for static or slow-moving subjects. But in low light or for fast action, they'll fall apart.

Still, 800mm reach for well under a kilobuck will be enticing to many bird and wildlife enthusiasts who shoot Canon. I understand a person having interest in these.

Would one of these work fine for shooting surfing in Hawaii under plenty sun?

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[Rod McD]

HI,

The pelican shot in my post above was taken at ISO 800, 1/640 and f8 in good sunlight. If I'd chosen f11, it would have been 1/320. The pelican was stationary. You be the judge of whether 1/320 is fast enough for surfing. I've never taken images of surfers.

Given surfers' speed, my guess is that it would be preferable for the SS to be a stop higher than 1/320 to be really crisp. Which would mean going up to ISO 1600. Which is doable in good light. It would be a struggle to shoot sports with these in anything other than very good light - they weren't designed for the sports/action sector.

Cheers, Rod

 

[Bill Ferris]

It's interesting that the new Canon lenses are getting as much play and discussion in the non-Canon forums as with the Canon shooters. They're getting a lot of attention in the Nikon forums.

I have to hand it to Canon for finding a way to offer their customers long focal length at an affordable price. Because it's Canon and they've a well-earned rep for designing quality optics, I'm just going to assume these lenses will be sharp and aberration-free. They're fixed focal length and fixed aperture so, the optical engineers were able to design the elements to meet only one formula. I'd also guess the optics are entirely machine-figured.

That said, I have no interest in them. My long lens is a zoom reaching to 500mm, f/5.6. There are times I use it with a 1.4x TC at 700mm, f/8-11 but those are few and fast between. Canon's f/11 primes should work well in good, midday light for static or slow-moving subjects. But in low light or for fast action, they'll fall apart.

Still, 800mm reach for well under a kilobuck will be enticing to many bird and wildlife enthusiasts who shoot Canon. I understand a person having interest in these.

Would one of these work fine for shooting surfing in Hawaii under plenty sun?

Hmm, I think you need to bring me out there to look into it. I'm thinking December-January