Adobe and Camera matching profiles for Canon EOS R5?

[gium]

Does anybody know if Adobe will support the new EOS R5 with camera matching profiles for their Lightroom and Adobe Camera Raw applications?

I know the R has camera matching profiles, but the RP does not (just like the M6 mkII or 90D don't have camera matching profiles).


If they will not be available does someone perhaps know a way how to create own camera matching profiles based on SOOC JPG files?

 

[Zeee]

They will but tend to be slow.

Support for the R5 was out within 3 weeks. Camera profiles is different issue these days and has nothing to do with them being slow. There is no support for any cameras with CR3 files. There is something going on between Adobe and Canon.

Canon charges for DPP on iPad, so they are competing with Adobe in that space. Canon may be making a play into the services market (DPP, image.canon) which they view Adobe as a competitor so the camera specific profiles could be the “secret sauce” that Canon wants to keep to themselves to encourage use of their service products.

This has been mentioned before and may be the reason. Of course without an official explanation only speculation.

 

[Zeee]

Why do you expect Adobe to deliver these quickly (how does it help them when you can make them yourself).

Why do we expect Adobe to give us anything when everything can be done by us if we buy the right tools and spend time learning and doing it? The only thing that helps Adobe is the payments we make to them

Do you use Adobe products?

Why do Adobe do it for cameras for other brands? How does it help them to create Sony/Nikon profiles but not Canon? Seems the question has been asked many times and all we have seen is user speculation

Ask Canon why.

 

[koenkooi]

Personally, I use DPP4 to generate a TIFF and import those into Lightroom. The downside of that is the UI of DPP4 is about as nice as rubbing sand in your eyes and it takes about 30-40 seconds per picture to process if you have DLO enabled, on a quad core i7. But the colours are great and DLO does a very nice job on older lenses like the EF85mm f/1.8.

I suspect *if* Adobe bothers to add the R5 profiles it will be a looooong time after launch, so the first few months will be rough.

Would you mind giving more detail here on batch processing files in dpp? Do you just convert to a stamdard profile run DLO and you're done or do you do more work in DPP? Im trying to switch to this workflow and having a hard time knowing what to do in dpp and what to do in LR. Thanks!

I try to have DLO enabled in the camera, DPP will auto enabled it in that case. For batch editing:

Select the pictures you want to batch edit, press CTRL+T, that will open up the batch adjustment window. I check if DLO is enabled, NR is disabled and make global adjustments like WB, brightness and highlights/shadows. When I'm feeling lazy, I enable Automatic Lighting Optimizer

Thats gets things close enough to export to TIFF and import into Lightroom. I have an unproven feeling that the exported TIFFs don't have the same range as the RAW files, so doing the global adjustments in DPP4 gives me peace of mind.

 

[sobrien]

Personally, I use DPP4 to generate a TIFF and import those into Lightroom. The downside of that is the UI of DPP4 is about as nice as rubbing sand in your eyes and it takes about 30-40 seconds per picture to process if you have DLO enabled, on a quad core i7. But the colours are great and DLO does a very nice job on older lenses like the EF85mm f/1.8.

I suspect *if* Adobe bothers to add the R5 profiles it will be a looooong time after launch, so the first few months will be rough.

Would you mind giving more detail here on batch processing files in dpp? Do you just convert to a stamdard profile run DLO and you're done or do you do more work in DPP? Im trying to switch to this workflow and having a hard time knowing what to do in dpp and what to do in LR. Thanks!

I try to have DLO enabled in the camera, DPP will auto enabled it in that case. For batch editing:

Select the pictures you want to batch edit, press CTRL+T, that will open up the batch adjustment window. I check if DLO is enabled, NR is disabled and make global adjustments like WB, brightness and highlights/shadows. When I'm feeling lazy, I enable Automatic Lighting Optimizer

Thats gets things close enough to export to TIFF and import into Lightroom. I have an unproven feeling that the exported TIFFs don't have the same range as the RAW files, so doing the global adjustments in DPP4 gives me peace of mind.

Tiff files have been demosaiced so you do lose the advantages of raw. For some files therefore you might want to push out the right side of the gamma tool to minimise the risk of blown highlights.

 

[PicPocket]

Why do you expect Adobe to deliver these quickly (how does it help them when you can make them yourself).

Why do we expect Adobe to give us anything when everything can be done by us if we buy the right tools and spend time learning and doing it? The only thing that helps Adobe is the payments we make to them

Do you use Adobe products?

Yes. Why do you ask?

Why do Adobe do it for cameras for other brands? How does it help them to create Sony/Nikon profiles but not Canon? Seems the question has been asked many times and all we have seen is user speculation

Ask Canon why.

For an Adobe product? Why?

 

[PicPocket]

The best bet would be to contact adobe and ask them to release camera matching profiles.

The more people ask them directly, the more they'll take note of it.

That has been done multiple times on Adobe bug report/feature request support forums. Adobe reps have responded but saying we are working on it. Until whatever issues between Adobe and Canon are resolved we won't see them.

You have repeatedly brought in Canon into this conversation. You know Adobe has been asked, and their response has never said Canon, and that they are working on it. Is there a reason for speculating that Canon needs to do something here?

 

[Zeee]

The best bet would be to contact adobe and ask them to release camera matching profiles.

The more people ask them directly, the more they'll take note of it.

That has been done multiple times on Adobe bug report/feature request support forums. Adobe reps have responded but saying we are working on it. Until whatever issues between Adobe and Canon are resolved we won't see them.

You have repeatedly brought in Canon into this conversation. You know Adobe has been asked, and their response has never said Canon, and that they are working on it. Is there a reason for speculating that Canon needs to do something here?

Yes. Adobe needs information from Canon to be able to develop colour profiles. If they can do it for other manufacturers why are they not doing for Canon? Extended coffee break? Adobe released support within 3 weeks so it is not like they are sitting around.

As for PR no rep in a forum is going to point fingers at another company.

 

[Zeee]

Why do you expect Adobe to deliver these quickly (how does it help them when you can make them yourself).

Why do we expect Adobe to give us anything when everything can be done by us if we buy the right tools and spend time learning and doing it? The only thing that helps Adobe is the payments we make to them

Do you use Adobe products?

Yes. Why do you ask?

Why do Adobe do it for cameras for other brands? How does it help them to create Sony/Nikon profiles but not Canon? Seems the question has been asked many times and all we have seen is user speculation

Ask Canon why.

For an Adobe product? Why?

Because Adobe needs information from Canon to develop the profiles.

 

[PicPocket]

The best bet would be to contact adobe and ask them to release camera matching profiles.

The more people ask them directly, the more they'll take note of it.

That has been done multiple times on Adobe bug report/feature request support forums. Adobe reps have responded but saying we are working on it. Until whatever issues between Adobe and Canon are resolved we won't see them.

You have repeatedly brought in Canon into this conversation. You know Adobe has been asked, and their response has never said Canon, and that they are working on it. Is there a reason for speculating that Canon needs to do something here?

Yes. Adobe needs information from Canon to be able to develop colour profiles. If they can do it for other manufacturers why are they not doing for Canon? Extended coffee break? Adobe released support within 3 weeks so it is not like they are sitting around.

As for PR no rep in a forum is going to point fingers at another company.

What is the source of this speculation? Do you have details on what kind of information is needed that only Canon can provide? In this same thread, I have seen one person claiming anyone can make their own using a colorchecker to another claim of it cannot be done without canon's help.

If you have details from adobe, please share. Else we all are good at speculating whether they are on a coffee break or are high with some other addiction. If not, let's just agree that we all don't know what is up, and adobe isn't giving us any answers.

Adobe's non-answer is the real issue - if it cannot be done without canon's help and they aren't getting it - a simple answer can be that there are currently no plans to provide this. It will be an honest answer to a paying users' query and would shut all the secrecy and speculation and we can all move on. There is no need to point fingers anywhere. Why do users have to come defending Adobe with no one standing behind all this (which is pretty much what Adobe forums read like for all such issues)

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[PicPocket]

Why do you expect Adobe to deliver these quickly (how does it help them when you can make them yourself).

Why do we expect Adobe to give us anything when everything can be done by us if we buy the right tools and spend time learning and doing it? The only thing that helps Adobe is the payments we make to them

Do you use Adobe products?

Yes. Why do you ask?

Why do Adobe do it for cameras for other brands? How does it help them to create Sony/Nikon profiles but not Canon? Seems the question has been asked many times and all we have seen is user speculation

Ask Canon why.

For an Adobe product? Why?

Because Adobe needs information from Canon to develop the profiles.

Is that a fact? And even if true, why would this query go to Canon?

Adobe can make a comment about their product. Even if that comment is a simple - we wont provide this. No one would force them. Why would Canon make a comment on Adobe product.

Your support model is deeply flawed

 

[Tony D]

I think this is only the case if you load them in Lightroom Cloud on a PC/Mac first and then sync to the cloud (need to test as not a regular Lightroom Cloud user)

 

[JohnNewman]

I think this is only the case if you load them in Lightroom Cloud on a PC/Mac first and then sync to the cloud (need to test as not a regular Lightroom Cloud user)

I presume you are talking about the Colorfidelity profiles? If so, that's a shame. I've just emailed Colorfidelity to get a definitive answer.

I suppose I could always do a week's trial of the desktop version to install them if I thought they would transfer over to my iPad version of LRCC (and remain there afterwards.

Actually, that would enable me to load up all my old Lightroom presets which I have bought in the past and which I can't get onto my IOS version of Lightroom?

Does anyone know if anything loaded into LRCC stays there on IOS if the desktop version is cancelled ?

John

 

[sobrien]

I think this is only the case if you load them in Lightroom Cloud on a PC/Mac first and then sync to the cloud (need to test as not a regular Lightroom Cloud user)

I presume you are talking about the Colorfidelity profiles? If so, that's a shame. I've just emailed Colorfidelity to get a definitive answer.

I suppose I could always do a week's trial of the desktop version to install them if I thought they would transfer over to my iPad version of LRCC (and remain there afterwards.

Actually, that would enable me to load up all my old Lightroom presets which I have bought in the past and which I can't get onto my IOS version of Lightroom?

Does anyone know if anything loaded into LRCC stays there on IOS if the desktop version is cancelled ?

John

Lightroom mobile is linked to Lightroom (cloud version) and I’m pretty sure that you need to sync profiles with Lightroom (i.e. not Lightroom Classic) for them to appear on Lightroom mobile.

I’m also pretty sure that they would not be accessible on Lightroom mobile if you do not have an Adobe subscription that includes Lightroom. That is what the literature online suggests.

To be honest I’m surprised that Adobe give so much away with the “free” version of Lightroom mobile.

 

[JohnNewman]

I think this is only the case if you load them in Lightroom Cloud on a PC/Mac first and then sync to the cloud (need to test as not a regular Lightroom Cloud user)

I presume you are talking about the Colorfidelity profiles? If so, that's a shame. I've just emailed Colorfidelity to get a definitive answer.

I suppose I could always do a week's trial of the desktop version to install them if I thought they would transfer over to my iPad version of LRCC (and remain there afterwards.

Actually, that would enable me to load up all my old Lightroom presets which I have bought in the past and which I can't get onto my IOS version of Lightroom?

Does anyone know if anything loaded into LRCC stays there on IOS if the desktop version is cancelled ?

John

Lightroom mobile is linked to Lightroom (cloud version) and I’m pretty sure that you need to sync profiles with Lightroom (i.e. not Lightroom Classic) for them to appear on Lightroom mobile.

I’m also pretty sure that they would not be accessible on Lightroom mobile if you do not have an Adobe subscription that includes Lightroom. That is what the literature online suggests.

To be honest I’m surprised that Adobe give so much away with the “free” version of Lightroom mobile.

Just to say I do pay £4.49 (UK) a month for my iPad version, I just don't cough up the extra £5 or so for the desktop variety with higher cloud storage as I transfer everything as jpegs (after processing) to Apple Photos which I use as my DAM. So I'm not trying to freeload off of Adobe, I just don't need anything other than (paid) LRCC for IOS for initial processing. Once in Photos, I can use other software such as Luminar for any additional processing.

Whilst writing, I've just had a reply from Colin Walker of Colorfidelity who confirms his profiles need to be loaded via the desktop version.

So my query remains, if I tried the week's trial of LRCC for desktop and loaded up his profiles (which would transfer to IOS) would they still be available if I then cancelled the desktop version? If anyone knows, I'd be grateful for their reply.

Thanks again,

John

 

[sobrien]

I think this is only the case if you load them in Lightroom Cloud on a PC/Mac first and then sync to the cloud (need to test as not a regular Lightroom Cloud user)

I presume you are talking about the Colorfidelity profiles? If so, that's a shame. I've just emailed Colorfidelity to get a definitive answer.

I suppose I could always do a week's trial of the desktop version to install them if I thought they would transfer over to my iPad version of LRCC (and remain there afterwards.

Actually, that would enable me to load up all my old Lightroom presets which I have bought in the past and which I can't get onto my IOS version of Lightroom?

Does anyone know if anything loaded into LRCC stays there on IOS if the desktop version is cancelled ?

John

Lightroom mobile is linked to Lightroom (cloud version) and I’m pretty sure that you need to sync profiles with Lightroom (i.e. not Lightroom Classic) for them to appear on Lightroom mobile.

I’m also pretty sure that they would not be accessible on Lightroom mobile if you do not have an Adobe subscription that includes Lightroom. That is what the literature online suggests.

To be honest I’m surprised that Adobe give so much away with the “free” version of Lightroom mobile.

Just to say I do pay £4.49 (UK) a month for my iPad version, I just don't cough up the extra £5 or so for the desktop variety with higher cloud storage as I transfer everything as jpegs (after processing) to Apple Photos which I use as my DAM. So I'm not trying to freeload off of Adobe, I just don't need anything other than (paid) LRCC for IOS for initial processing. Once in Photos, I can use other software such as Luminar for any additional processing.

Whilst writing, I've just had a reply from Colin Walker of Colorfidelity who confirms his profiles need to be loaded via the desktop version.

So my query remains, if I tried the week's trial of LRCC for desktop and loaded up his profiles (which would transfer to IOS) would they still be available if I then cancelled the desktop version? If anyone knows, I'd be grateful for their reply.

Thanks again,

John

Oh, I didn’t know there was a mobile only sub option. In that case it really doesn’t seem fair if you cannot not use profiles. Maybe there’s some other workaround that I’m not aware of. I’d suggest writing to Adobe also, to ask how to do it and to complain if it’s not. Maybe the trial workaround will work for you but it really shouldn’t have to come to that. Best of luck.

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[JohnNewman]

Oh, I didn’t know there was a mobile only sub option. In that case it really doesn’t seem fair if you cannot not use profiles. Maybe there’s some other workaround that I’m not aware of. I’d suggest writing to Adobe also, to ask how to do it and to complain if it’s not. Maybe the trial workaround will work for you but it really shouldn’t have to come to that. Best of luck.

No problem. The iPad version works just fine for what I want and I do also pay an extra premium for more iCloud storage than the basic - so the overall cost is about the same but this arrangement just suits me better.

I've just had this link sent to me but, as far as I can see, it's assuming I already subscribe to one desktop version or another. But it does sound as if a trial version would work.

Thanks for your thoughts. I'll keep investigating and maybe do as you say and write to Adobe.

Cheers,

John.

 

[Zeee]

The best bet would be to contact adobe and ask them to release camera matching profiles.

The more people ask them directly, the more they'll take note of it.

That has been done multiple times on Adobe bug report/feature request support forums. Adobe reps have responded but saying we are working on it. Until whatever issues between Adobe and Canon are resolved we won't see them.

You have repeatedly brought in Canon into this conversation. You know Adobe has been asked, and their response has never said Canon, and that they are working on it. Is there a reason for speculating that Canon needs to do something here?

Yes. Adobe needs information from Canon to be able to develop colour profiles. If they can do it for other manufacturers why are they not doing for Canon? Extended coffee break? Adobe released support within 3 weeks so it is not like they are sitting around.

As for PR no rep in a forum is going to point fingers at another company.

What is the source of this speculation? Do you have details on what kind of information is needed that only Canon can provide? In this same thread, I have seen one person claiming anyone can make their own using a colorchecker to another claim of it cannot be done without canon's help.

If you have details from adobe, please share. Else we all are good at speculating whether they are on a coffee break or are high with some other addiction. If not, let's just agree that we all don't know what is up, and adobe isn't giving us any answers.

Adobe's non-answer is the real issue - if it cannot be done without canon's help and they aren't getting it - a simple answer can be that there are currently no plans to provide this. It will be an honest answer to a paying users' query and would shut all the secrecy and speculation and we can all move on. There is no need to point fingers anywhere. Why do users have to come defending Adobe with no one standing behind all this (which is pretty much what Adobe forums read like for all such issues)

I forgot about this thread. Sorry I have been distracted. Adobe did copy the 5D4 files so customers at least had profiles for the R. They didn't have to bother doing that, but they did. Why would they stop doing this for Canon but provide colour matching files for other camera brands? Just didn't like the name Canon one day? Why do people always blame Adobe for everything? Until it is explained I blame both equally.

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[Zeee]

The best bet would be to contact adobe and ask them to release camera matching profiles.

The more people ask them directly, the more they'll take note of it.

That has been done multiple times on Adobe bug report/feature request support forums. Adobe reps have responded but saying we are working on it. Until whatever issues between Adobe and Canon are resolved we won't see them.

You have repeatedly brought in Canon into this conversation. You know Adobe has been asked, and their response has never said Canon, and that they are working on it. Is there a reason for speculating that Canon needs to do something here?

Yes. Adobe needs information from Canon to be able to develop colour profiles. If they can do it for other manufacturers why are they not doing for Canon? Extended coffee break? Adobe released support within 3 weeks so it is not like they are sitting around.

As for PR no rep in a forum is going to point fingers at another company.

What is the source of this speculation? Do you have details on what kind of information is needed that only Canon can provide? In this same thread, I have seen one person claiming anyone can make their own using a colorchecker to another claim of it cannot be done without canon's help.

If you have details from adobe, please share. Else we all are good at speculating whether they are on a coffee break or are high with some other addiction. If not, let's just agree that we all don't know what is up, and adobe isn't giving us any answers.

Adobe's non-answer is the real issue - if it cannot be done without canon's help and they aren't getting it - a simple answer can be that there are currently no plans to provide this. It will be an honest answer to a paying users' query and would shut all the secrecy and speculation and we can all move on. There is no need to point fingers anywhere. Why do users have to come defending Adobe with no one standing behind all this (which is pretty much what Adobe forums read like for all such issues)

I forgot about this thread. Sorry I have been distracted. Adobe did copy the 5D4 files so customers at least had profiles for the R. They didn't have to bother doing that, but they did. Why would they stop doing this for Canon but provide colour matching files for other camera brands? Just didn't like the name Canon one day? Why do people always blame Adobe for everything? Until it is explained I blame both equally.

https://www.lightroomqueen.com/comm...-adobe-and-canon-squabble.40860/#post-1270965

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[PicPocket]

I forgot about this thread. Sorry I have been distracted. Adobe did copy the 5D4 files so customers at least had profiles for the R. They didn't have to bother doing that, but they did. Why would they stop doing this for Canon but provide colour matching files for other camera brands? Just didn't like the name Canon one day? Why do people always blame Adobe for everything? Until it is explained I blame both equally.

Maybe that is where we disagree. When I have lack of information, I prefer to not lay the blame anywhere. Saying I don't know is often more accurate than speculating

Adobe is not being blamed for everything. They are being asked a question about what they offer in their product and they are choosing not to answer it. Their users are somehow found speculating on their behalf

https://www.lightroomqueen.com/comm...-adobe-and-canon-squabble.40860/#post-1270965

There. That thread clearly states it is her speculation (suspicion in her own words). She doesn't know any better, but yet here we are. I've read 100s of such threads on Adobe forums, and they all end up quoting each other. If this is the only information out there, that is the issue I have with Adobe

 

[Jipson]

found this thread today after getting my R5

any news on this?