Capture One opening color .RAF files as black and white

[surfoxy]

Hi,

I've been playing with Capture One, and while I'm fairly befuddled by the UI, I am working through it. Today I imported a bunch of images, and from the SD card they were fine. I'm much more comfortable in Lightroom so I pulled them in there and got rid of the dupes in Capture One, I thought temporarily. Once I'd sorted through the whole large catalog, I exported a bunch of them back out so I could see what the best ones looked like in C1.

Exported as "Original". All of the .jpegs were black and white, so I also exported the .RAF files so I could play with the color in those.

Definitely sharper in C1. Definitely getting the worming in LR (X-T2).

However, when I opened the .RAF files which had been imported into LR, they only were in black and white in C1. So I tried exporting a .TIFF file, and that worked, it was in color in C1.

So not the end of the world or anything, but in addition to my confusion about "Catalogs" and "Sessions", now this weirdness.

Can't find anything on Google about it. Anyone here have a similar issue? Thanks!

 

[surfoxy]

Update. The preview of the .RAF images on the desktop are in color.



However, they are in black and white when pulling them back into LR as well as C1.


Totally baffled.

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[gsz]

Check the film simulation setting in C1 (Base characteristic-> ICC profile/Curve).

 

[crosson]

Exactly. Check that setting. You may want to change the default to Provia.







Also you may just want to take the time and move stuff around into a format that is familiar to you. You can add/remove any of these tools and move them to your liking. It may make the move from LR that much easier. Welcome to C1! I hope you enjoy it.

 

[myotisone]

However, when I opened the .RAF files which had been imported into LR, they only were in black and white in C1. So I tried exporting a .TIFF file, and that worked, it was in color in C1.

What film simulation profile did you have selected in the camera?

C1 automatically picks up the film simulation profile from the camera and uses this to display the preview.

You can change this by manually selecting a different film simulation profile in C1, or choose one of the Capture One curves. (under the Basic Characteristics tool)

If you don't want C1 to do this and you always want to use the same film curve, ignoring the camera option, you can click on the three dots in the Basic Characteristics tool and tell C1 to always use a specific curve for previews.

You can still manually change this.

If you haven't had a B/W profile selected in the camera, then I'm stuck as to what might be going on.

Cheers,

Graham

 

[RetiringGuy]

On top of what myotisone says, also check the Color tab Color > Black & White > Enable Black & White is not ticked/enabled.

RG

 

[Quindere]

However, when I opened the .RAF files which had been imported into LR, they only were in black and white in C1. So I tried exporting a .TIFF file, and that worked, it was in color in C1.

What film simulation profile did you have selected in the camera?

C1 automatically picks up the film simulation profile from the camera and uses this to display the preview.

You can change this by manually selecting a different film simulation profile in C1, or choose one of the Capture One curves. (under the Basic Characteristics tool)

If you don't want C1 to do this and you always want to use the same film curve, ignoring the camera option, you can click on the three dots in the Basic Characteristics tool and tell C1 to always use a specific curve for previews.

You can still manually change this.

If you haven't had a B/W profile selected in the camera, then I'm stuck as to what might be going on.

Cheers,

Graham

Yes. Clarifying what "myotisone" correctly said. If your default is the 1st option "AUTO", C1 uses the same film simulation you had chose on camera when you took the photo. If you want to change it choose any other. In the figure below I chose "CLASSIC CHROME".

 

[surfoxy]

Exactly. Check that setting. You may want to change the default to Provia.



Also you may just want to take the time and move stuff around into a format that is familiar to you. You can add/remove any of these tools and move them to your liking. It may make the move from LR that much easier. Welcome to C1! I hope you enjoy it.

Thank you everyone for the responses.

I tried this, but I'm unable to get any of the curves other than Auto and Linear Response. When I originally imported the images I was able to get the full range of curves with all the film presets.



It's very odd but since I'm having the same issue re-importing into Lightroom, there just appears to be some kind of data loss happening from Lightroom. I don't think it's a C1 problem.

Tried again this morning, and it's showing up in color but the curves are all still missing. Did nothing different on export. So weird.

I guess the best answer I have right now is to import to C1 directly from the card. Don't love it as I find the library management very un-intuitive, but not sure what else to do.

Thanks again all for the assistance.

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[surfoxy]

Exactly. Check that setting. You may want to change the default to Provia.



Also you may just want to take the time and move stuff around into a format that is familiar to you. You can add/remove any of these tools and move them to your liking. It may make the move from LR that much easier. Welcome to C1! I hope you enjoy it.

Thank you everyone for the responses.

I tried this, but I'm unable to get any of the curves other than Auto and Linear Response. When I originally imported the images I was able to get the full range of curves with all the film presets.



It's very odd but since I'm having the same issue re-importing into Lightroom, there just appears to be some kind of data loss happening from Lightroom. I don't think it's a C1 problem.

Tried again this morning, and it's showing up in color but the curves are all still missing. Did nothing different on export. So weird.

I guess the best answer I have right now is to import to C1 directly from the card. Don't love it as I find the library management very un-intuitive, but not sure what else to do.

Thanks again all for the assistance.

OK I'm an idiot, the lack of profiles this morning is all because I imported a .jpeg not a .RAF. Tried the .RAF this morning and it all worked fine. 100% sure I was importing an .RAF file last night. No booze, no drugs, I even had a nap.

No idea. Totally bizarre.

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Chris
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[Homo erectus]

You should really go to the capture one youtube page and spend some time watching their webinars. The videos there will get you up to speed on the UI, catalog, sessions, and all the rest of the basics in only a few hours.

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLBZS3EGK3tQ9Gw6mDgpu9S5rBpsTmBYo8 would be a good place to start. It's the CaptureOne 12 tutorials. Most of these are only a few minutes long.

This one

explains sessions

Hope that helps!

 

[crosson]

I also highly recommend going through those youtube videos and webinars. But I will tell you that you can configure C1 to operate its "library" about the same as LR.

What I like to do is organize my raw files into folders by date. C1 will automatically do this for you. You don't have to store "in catalog" while working in "catalog" mode.

 

[surfoxy]

You should really go to the capture one youtube page and spend some time watching their webinars. The videos there will get you up to speed on the UI, catalog, sessions, and all the rest of the basics in only a few hours.

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLBZS3EGK3tQ9Gw6mDgpu9S5rBpsTmBYo8 would be a good place to start. It's the CaptureOne 12 tutorials. Most of these are only a few minutes long.

This one

explains sessions

Hope that helps!

Totally helpful, thanks! I actually have "get up to speed on Capture1" on my personal to-do list. What I don't love is that I'm a software designer and still having issues. I can't recall the last time I spent a few hours learning an app. Maybe After Effects. I find C1 kludgy as heck from a UI perspective, but it's very powerful. Oh well, I'll get it done.

I appreciate the links!

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[ChicagoRob]

Totally helpful, thanks! I actually have "get up to speed on Capture1" on my personal to-do list. What I don't love is that I'm a software designer and still having issues. I can't recall the last time I spent a few hours learning an app. Maybe After Effects. I find C1 kludgy as heck from a UI perspective, but it's very powerful. Oh well, I'll get it done.

I appreciate the links!

Capture One isn’t that big of a deal. Don’t make it any more difficult than it is.

 

[Jerry-astro]

Totally helpful, thanks! I actually have "get up to speed on Capture1" on my personal to-do list. What I don't love is that I'm a software designer and still having issues. I can't recall the last time I spent a few hours learning an app. Maybe After Effects. I find C1 kludgy as heck from a UI perspective, but it's very powerful. Oh well, I'll get it done.

I appreciate the links!

Capture One isn’t that big of a deal. Don’t make it any more difficult than it is.

How "big a deal" it is a very individual thing and dependent on what you're used to using and how easily you can adjust to new UIs. I've been an LR user for years and am totally comfortable with the workflow of that app. I recently purchased C1, taking advantage of the rather awesome deal they offered, and I'm still struggling a bit with transitioning over. There are enough differences and challenges with learning a new and complex piece of software (and we're all different in terms of our ability to make that sort of switch), that I can see where it might be challenging to most anyone.

So, I'm quite sympathetic to the OP's concerns, having experienced them myself (and still not having made the transition). It will take a concerted effort and most likely not a small amount of time dedicated to adjusting to the new workflow. If you are able to make that sort of transition quickly, more power to you. However, I'm certainly sympathetic to the OP's concerns, having experienced much the same myself.

A bit of empathy goes a long way.

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[surfoxy]

Totally helpful, thanks! I actually have "get up to speed on Capture1" on my personal to-do list. What I don't love is that I'm a software designer and still having issues. I can't recall the last time I spent a few hours learning an app. Maybe After Effects. I find C1 kludgy as heck from a UI perspective, but it's very powerful. Oh well, I'll get it done.

I appreciate the links!

Capture One isn’t that big of a deal. Don’t make it any more difficult than it is.

None of this is a "big deal". It's a forum post.

Capture One is trying to compete with Lightroom. They have a fair way to go in terms of ease of use.

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[Truman Prevatt]

You should really go to the capture one youtube page and spend some time watching their webinars. The videos there will get you up to speed on the UI, catalog, sessions, and all the rest of the basics in only a few hours.

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLBZS3EGK3tQ9Gw6mDgpu9S5rBpsTmBYo8 would be a good place to start. It's the CaptureOne 12 tutorials. Most of these are only a few minutes long.

This one

explains sessions

Hope that helps!

Totally helpful, thanks! I actually have "get up to speed on Capture1" on my personal to-do list. What I don't love is that I'm a software designer and still having issues. I can't recall the last time I spent a few hours learning an app. Maybe After Effects. I find C1 kludgy as heck from a UI perspective, but it's very powerful. Oh well, I'll get it done.

I appreciate the links!

With great flexibility - comes great power along with great frustration. You can build and tailor C1 to work according to your wishes. You can save several C1 default configurations - one for each camera or one for each mood. I don't see C1's GUI great but I don't see it as superficial as the new generation, e.g., Luminar, canned thumbnails of course designed by someone else who has no idea what you want to do.

I tried to like Luminar but came to the conclusion it is a piece of garbage and doesn't support what I want and/or need. It's all there in C1 - although getting to it the first time might be a bit cryptic.

The big beef I have with C1 (the same beef I have about a lot of S/W and even cameras today) is no-one seems to be able to write a usable manual.

 

[Homo erectus]

Totally helpful, thanks! I actually have "get up to speed on Capture1" on my personal to-do list. What I don't love is that I'm a software designer and still having issues. I can't recall the last time I spent a few hours learning an app. Maybe After Effects. I find C1 kludgy as heck from a UI perspective, but it's very powerful. Oh well, I'll get it done.

I appreciate the links!

Capture One isn’t that big of a deal. Don’t make it any more difficult than it is.

None of this is a "big deal". It's a forum post.

Capture One is trying to compete with Lightroom. They have a fair way to go in terms of ease of use.

"Ease of Use" is one of those terms that's bandied about so much it's practically meaningless.

When I used daily LR for many years I thought it was straightforward and easy to use. The initial transition to C1 Pro was frustrating but once I found the c1pro youtube channel it got way easier. After three or four years of daily use I find the UI of C1 Pro to be mostly invisible in a way that LRs UI never was even after I had used it daily for twice as long. Is it perfect? No.

The UI of the Fuji free edition of C1 isn't customizable at all and the tools and tool tabs seem to have been ordered by someone that either isn't a photographer or actively hates photographers. So, if you are using that version I totally agree with you.

The tinfoil hat wearing part of my brain suspects that phaseone purposely laid the UI out to be frustrating to encourage people to upgrade to a paid version.

The UI in C1 Pro is really customizable. You can move the UI elements around, resize them, remove tool tabs, change which tools are in which tab, change the order of the tools in a tab, and add/remove and reorder the icons in the task bar. You can set camera specific defaults for nearly every tool in the program.

For me it was well worth the weird frustrating transition time. It probably will be for you as well. Those youtube videos will help a lot.

Hope that helps.

 

[surfoxy]

Only 3 or 4 years! I’ll figure it out. That said, never had the slightest issue with any other editing program. Snapseed, Lightroom, etc. Ease of use means I don’t need a manual or tutorial .

 

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[h andersen]

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