Canon 5D Mark IV 2 years in

[George Zip]

I wrote a review about 2 years ago from the point of view of an amateur photographer.

A bit has changed for me since then. I got really serious, immersed myself in studying light, lighting, posing and so on. I have carved out a part time business shooting weddings and people. It’s going well, I have about one wedding a month booked so far for 2019 and considering pursuing it further.

Anyway… I thought I would write a follow up review on my thoughts with the 5D4 after 1000’s of frames. So rather than rehash the usual stuff the following are some things that I have found important that is not mentioned a lot. It might be useful for someone.

Included are some pictures from the 5D Mark IV of paid work and so I do not bore you all to death with wedding stuff some random photos that I have taken for fun.

So in no particular order....

Images straight off the camera: This is the strongest feature IMO. I do not have to do much at all to get the photos to delivery level. The skin tones always look good. I just import with a preset I made and make small tweaks. I do not have to spend much time at all colour correcting. The 5D4 does a great job. I did one wedding with a Nikon D800E as a second camera and it was a nightmare in PP. I must be doing something wrong because I had to spend a LOT of time colour correcting for skin. Don’t get me wrong… the Nikon is an awesome camera but I found it time consuming and made me appreciate the Canon.







Reliability: Another underrated feature when online forum dwellers are arguing about 4K and DR. I have used my two 5D4’s for 10 hours straight and they have never failed in any capacity. It is so good not to have to worry about your gear performing.

Star Rating Button. I am all over this like a cheap white suit. I use this to rate images when doing a job. I did a wedding on the weekend and essentially culled in real time for the same day slide show. This week I photographed some musicians for their website and got them to pick which ones they liked saving me the hassle of getting images approved. **TIP**. The ratings will only go to the primary card for some reason and therefore that card must be used when importing into Lightroom or Photo mechanic.







Touch Screen. This is still first class two years later. Works perfectly and is awesome for reviewing your images as described above and getting around menus and so on.

Ergonomics: Very comfortable to use all day. This is no real surprise. Both Nikon and Canon are good in that regard.







Focus: I read here and there that some cameras have better focus systems. I do not know how much better it could get. I never miss focus in any light unless I made an error. I have recently started using live view on occasion. It is good if you need to engage with your subject and not stare through the viewfinder. DPAF is extraordinary. I am aware that Sony hit a home run with their eye focus. The new Canon mirrorless has a version of eye focus so it will be interesting to see if it is as good as Sony’s. However DPAF is really good and I don’t think it has ever missed.

Also this camera can almost focus in the dark and not miss. Critical for low light work. Also it is pretty good for backlit situations.







Focus Options: This is gold. There is pretty much unlimited ways to configure this. I generally live in single shot and occasionally change the amount of focus points. One thing I have programmed is: The back focus button I have set to go to Servo when pressed and off when released reverting back to single shot. So you can change in and out very intuitively which I think is excellent for not missing photos.







Dynamic Range. The most over rated spec in cameras in my opinion. Unless you want to shoot Lanscapes in one shot or you are a real estate photographer I do not understand why you would need more. This camera has enough for normal photography. I still think if you need to adjust images by more than a stop on a regular basis you need some education not a better camera.







Flash Metering . Really reliable and accurate. I suspect that the accessory family of Canon and Nikon is why working photographers are reluctant to change to newer systems. I use the 600 for ETTL flash work and 3 of those cheap Godox flashes for static work. Have had no issues to date. The canon flash's are reliable and meter very predictably.







Weather Sealing. I do a LOT of beach photography. By that I mean I live near surf beaches so as a result every man and their dog want beach photos. I was shooting one day and what was pretty much a sand storm started. We called it it off but the camera was fine. I also fell into some water briefly dunked the camera and it was fine. So I have no complaints there.




Street Photo. I won an award for this one !



Anti Flicker: More gold. I do not know if other brands have this. When I first got it on the 7d2 it made me realise how many photos were being effected.

Auto WB: Yeah, I know if you shoot RAW white balance is not as critical as if you are shooting Jpeg. However I am amazed how accurate this camera is in Auto WB. I RARELY have to tweak it in post. This is absolutely awesome if you have to process a LOT of photos.







Video. I do a little here and there but do not venture out of simple fusion photography. I have no need for 4K. I can see how frustrating it must be for video guys. They tell me that they are forced to use other cameras for better 4K implementation and it sucks because nothing looks quite like Canon video files.

WIFI: Works well. I find it useful in the race to get stuff online when on a job. I just wish they could make it more seamless with Bluetooth or something. It's a pain the way it is on the 5D4. You have to disconnect the wifi, reconnect the camera. Not a big deal but if you want to it quickly it is not ideal. First world problem I know.

Overall. I think the Canon 5D mark IV is an outstanding workhorse that can do a bit of everything. Is it still valid with all the advances by Sony and the truly outstanding Nikon 850??? I think it is. I flited with the idea of Sony and a convertor but they did not feel good to me. If you like still photography I can’t see how you can wrong with the 5D4. I do understand Canon is getting out-specced by the competition and is food for Trolls online . The question is will another system help you take better pictures. For me that would be no 99% of the time. A better question is probably does new tech get you where you need to be faster and easier. EVF will get you to correct exposure faster so that would be a yes. Worth changing? No I don’t think so. To quote an overused catchphrase… you do buy into an entire camera system and I don’t think anyone can dispute Canon glass is amongst the best. Also Canon glass is cheaper than the 1st party glass. Also there are a billion second hand lenses out there if that is your thing.

We really have got to the point of diminishing returns IMO. All the cameras are so good. Anything you get will do a good job. Glass seems to be getting the same . Canon released the 70-200 2.8 III and is only a marginal improvement on the II.

Having said all that, I do look over the fence and see what Sony and Nikon have done and have Camera envy from time to time. I am a bit of a gear geek deep down. Then sanity returns and I realise that more megapixels and cool features will not help me take better photos. The lure of something new and shiny does not compel me to lose a heap of money changing for essentially no real benefit.

I am not a Canon cheerleader. I shoot Canon because that's what I started on. I firmly believe you can get good images on anything. Photography is about light, problem solving and imagination. It is not about gear.

I still give it 5 stars. It's hard not to give 5 stars to a product that does everything you want it to do and does not fail. I still think it is a bit overpriced. I do notice there are good deals out there now.

Future: So in two years or so they will release the 5DV or whatever it will be called. By then I will be ready to replace my cameras if I don't kill them. I hope it is mirrorless so I can have a EVF for realtime exposure and silent shutter plus the other advantages mirrorless can offer . I hope it is the same body and buttons as the 5D series and has a native adaptor that works seamlessly with the EF lenses .

Lastly I apologise for any typos and bad grammar.

 

[Photomonkey]

Thanks for that, it's refreshing to hear from someone who uses the camera and doesn't just discuss tech specs. In the end people seem to miss the point about systems vs specific components, the same way they do with computers. Speaking of which, wifi limitations might be due to that system, which includes whichever router you use: mine lets my 70D connect painlessly but refuses to let my Macs connect wirelessly; I can't fault Apple either for my ISP's choice of the cheapest and crappiest router possible.

When I was moaning about the wifi, I meant more in regards to phones.

I use an iPhone and for reason I do not know it is just kinda clunky. It does not always want to work. I experimented with a Samsung and it works a lot better on that especially as NFC is able to be used.

It's more the fact you have to turn off whatever wifi you are connected to.. Reconnect with the camera ( I have all that in the custom menu) and hope it all works. So it's kinda cumbersome. It would be super neat if you could assign a button to connect to whatever device you have... push it and it just works.

Like I said though, if that's my main gripe I am going ok.

I agree on the clunky implementation with the iPhone.

I also use a CamRanger and it connects with ease and stays connected. The mk4 is a pain to connect and will drop the connection in an instant.

Moreover the app is meagerly featured and is not particularly useful to me.

 

[Joseph Chuan]

George,

I wanted to ask your advice as I feel your pics are exceptionally sharp. Do you calibrate your lenses to your body and play with the MFA or do you send it out to get it done? I've read a lot of things about people being paranoid of front-focusing and back-focusing. I've always felt my pics were pretty sharp but sometimes reading these message boards makes you wonder. I wonder if I'm missing something--maybe my shots may be that much sharper. Any thoughts?

Thanks,

Joe

 

[George Zip]

George,

I wanted to ask your advice as I feel your pics are exceptionally sharp. Do you calibrate your lenses to your body and play with the MFA or do you send it out to get it done? I've read a lot of things about people being paranoid of front-focusing and back-focusing. I've always felt my pics were pretty sharp but sometimes reading these message boards makes you wonder. I wonder if I'm missing something--maybe my shots may be that much sharper. Any thoughts?

Thanks,

Joe

Well I did micro adjust my first camera for lower DOF photos, but forgot to do the second camera because it seems fine to me. There is a youtube video called "the dot method" or something like that.

I rarely shoot at 2.8 anymore unless it's dark and prefer 4 to 5.6 even up to F8 for people. You want to get them both in focus. At these apertures I imaging MFA would not really make a difference.

I find shutter speed the most important thing. I tend to be at a minimum of 250 which does two things... 1) freezes motion to a point for non active human photos ( I mean just standing around and laughing ) 2) gets rid of camera shake. That makes a big difference.

So shutter speed and DOF seem to make a big difference to me. I am pretty lousy as a steady shooter.

Funny thing is by default when I import the images I use minus 10 on the clarity (because the majority of shots are of people and it is more flattering) so there is actually a perceived sharpness loss. I do run sharpening at about 60 in lightroom but with a HEAVY masking so it is essentially just sharpening the edges. You do not want to sharpen the skin.

If you want the details of my LR preset for import I can pass it on if you want and see if that makes a difference. It's pretty basic.

Does that help or am I telling you stuff you already know?

 

[Larawanista]

With your talent, any camera will perform well!

Thanks for having shared! Loving my 5DMIV as well.

 

[Morvegil]

Same here. It was such a huge upgrade from my 5dmiii, the nay sayers say it wasnt worth the upgrade were wrong.

 

[Joseph Chuan]

George,

Thank you so much for your advice. I’m just an enthusiest—an amateur, but I do appreciate the advice from talented pros such as yourself. Currently, I have the 5dIV and I shoot with the 35L, 50 1.8 85L and 135L. I tried other systems such Sony—twice—because on paper it looks so much better, but after I looked at the images side-by-side, there was something about the Canon that made it more natural? Not sure how to describe it.

Anyway your advice was really good, unfortunately I use On1 Photo RAW for my culling and editing so the LR advice probably isn’t really relevant.

Joe

 

[Keith Z Leonard]

I rarely shoot at 2.8 anymore unless it's dark and prefer 4 to 5.6 even up to F8 for people. You want to get them both in focus. At these apertures I imaging MFA would not really make a difference.

Thus the super sharp images. We are extremists at this point, we want lenses today that are as sharp at f1.4 as lenses were at f8 from 10 years ago. But f1.4 isn't always the right aperture to use, believe it or not.

I find shutter speed the most important thing. I tend to be at a minimum of 250 which does two things... 1) freezes motion to a point for non active human photos ( I mean just standing around and laughing ) 2) gets rid of camera shake. That makes a big difference.

True enough, for still life objects I'm surprised how low I can push the shutter speed, but with people, they move a lot more than the 1/fl allows.

Funny thing is by default when I import the images I use minus 10 on the clarity (because the majority of shots are of people and it is more flattering) so there is actually a perceived sharpness loss. I do run sharpening at about 60 in lightroom but with a HEAVY masking so it is essentially just sharpening the edges. You do not want to sharpen the skin.

The mask is one of the best features to hit LR, honestly. Love it.

 

[hermit383]

I'm the biggest gear geek there is and I still think my 1DXII and 5DIV combo is the best full frame camera combo period. The features that people say are better with Sony are non-issues and can be mitigated imo. But, more importantly Sony don't offer critical features I need (more so compared to the 1DXII) but the lens line up from Canon is insane and can't be beaten. Obviously no average person will own : 600f/4, 300 f/2.8, fisheye zoom, Tilt-Shift, macro Tilt-Shift, Macro 1:1, Micro lenses ( MP-E 65E), but if your a creative artist working with photography, you would be doing yourself a disservice to not at least rent these lenses for creative work.

 

[BlueRay2]

I'm the biggest gear geek there is and I still think my 1DXII and 5DIV combo is the best full frame camera combo period. The features that people say are better with Sony are non-issues and can be mitigated imo. But, more importantly Sony don't offer critical features I need (more so compared to the 1DXII) but the lens line up from Canon is insane and can't be beaten. Obviously no average person will own : 600f/4, 300 f/2.8, fisheye zoom, Tilt-Shift, macro Tilt-Shift, Macro 1:1, Micro lenses ( MP-E 65E), but if your a creative artist working with photography, you would be doing yourself a disservice to not at least rent these lenses for creative work.

i agree! i have most (90%) of the stuff you noted and it is amazing what that gear can do if you are a photography nut ;-) the must own prime in my opinion, is canon 300mm f2.8 II. i have never seen a sharper, the one that renders amazing micro contrast and color rendition than this lens--although my zeiss 100mm f2.0 makro (1:2) comes very close! what i have found out is that all of these amazing lenses have their own signatures so to say lens A is better than lenses B and C, is rather subjective, in my experience! as i have stated already, the only 2 lenses that are truly exceptional, are canon 300 f2.8 II and zeiss 100 f2.0 makro, in my experience. i truly feel privileged to own those 2 lenses among many others!

as for cameras, i love my 1Dx and 1dmk4, i can't believe how nice feature rich and responsive they are for any situation. i would not exchange them for any ML camera for now! my only and only despair about those 2 cameras are low rez sensors. but i won't despair when canon introduces their 5DsR II some time in the near future (fingers crossed) ;-)

 

[Joseph Chuan]

George,

Thanks for your advice on shooting AP and set the minimum shutter to 1/250--thus you control the lighting with exposure comp. Never thought about that! Thanks. May I ask when you sharpen in LR, you said "a HEAVY masking so it is essentially just sharpening the edges. You do not want to sharpen the skin."

So does that mean you mask out the skin on the face but leave the eyes and other defining features left to be sharpened?

Thanks again,

Joe

 

[George Zip]

George,

Thanks for your advice on shooting AP and set the minimum shutter to 1/250--thus you control the lighting with exposure comp. Never thought about that! Thanks. May I ask when you sharpen in LR, you said "a HEAVY masking so it is essentially just sharpening the edges. You do not want to sharpen the skin."

So does that mean you mask out the skin on the face but leave the eyes and other defining features left to be sharpened?

Thanks again,

Joe

Yes. It is not very refined in Lightroom but I found a masking setting that seems to work the vast majority of the time. So I have Sharpening at 60, Radius 1.5, Detail 20 and Masking at 60. It will still pick up wrinkles in contrasty photos, but I just have a preset to dial that back if it is viably noticeable.

I sometimes add 30 Noise Reduction as a quick and dirty skin smoothing for ladies. If it is going to be printed big or go into an album I will do it in photoshop. But I try and avoid PS as much as humanly possible as it slows you down when editing a bucketload of photos

 

[hermit383]

I'm the biggest gear geek there is and I still think my 1DXII and 5DIV combo is the best full frame camera combo period. The features that people say are better with Sony are non-issues and can be mitigated imo. But, more importantly Sony don't offer critical features I need (more so compared to the 1DXII) but the lens line up from Canon is insane and can't be beaten. Obviously no average person will own : 600f/4, 300 f/2.8, fisheye zoom, Tilt-Shift, macro Tilt-Shift, Macro 1:1, Micro lenses ( MP-E 65E), but if your a creative artist working with photography, you would be doing yourself a disservice to not at least rent these lenses for creative work.

i agree! i have most (90%) of the stuff you noted and it is amazing what that gear can do if you are a photography nut ;-) the must own prime in my opinion, is canon 300mm f2.8 II. i have never seen a sharper, the one that renders amazing micro contrast and color rendition than this lens--although my zeiss 100mm f2.0 makro (1:2) comes very close! what i have found out is that all of these amazing lenses have their own signatures so to say lens A is better than lenses B and C, is rather subjective, in my experience! as i have stated already, the only 2 lenses that are truly exceptional, are canon 300 f2.8 II and zeiss 100 f2.0 makro, in my experience. i truly feel privileged to own those 2 lenses among many others!

as for cameras, i love my 1Dx and 1dmk4, i can't believe how nice feature rich and responsive they are for any situation. i would not exchange them for any ML camera for now! my only and only despair about those 2 cameras are low rez sensors. but i won't despair when canon introduces their 5DsR II some time in the near future (fingers crossed) ;-)

Ah I haven't gotten 300 yet! I've been eyeing the 400 next, but I'll have to see. How do you think the 300 II compares to the 600 II ? for me my 600II and 50L are my favorite primes ever. We must have similar taste in lenses because the Zeiss 100 f/2 is what I've been eyeing as a potential next lens for a while now.

 

[hermit383]

Thing about Canon camera is they may not win the spec sheet war, but for pros the cameras just WORK day in and day out without fuss. They focus and meter like you expect them to, and they survive in harsh conditions. And they don't have stupid annoyances like Sony's stopped down focusing and half-ass flash systems. They're little things that don't show up in forum arguments but for pros can make life difficult at times. Definition of a reliable, highly refined workhorse.

Yeeeeupp.

 

[Alexsfo]

I am on my 2nd year of 5div and my photos are so much better when I compare to what I was getting from 6d (and I thought that was great). 5div is a camera that you just want to use all the time, it is fun, super easy, everything always works. I do both photos and video and 4k footage out of camera is absolutey stunning to the point that I am almost 50% videography now. Some of the standout features for me:
- Perfect ergonomics! I wouldn’t change a thing!
- Outstanding AWB (AWB-W) performance. To the point that it beats my grey card every time. I much prefer ‘as shot’. Canon’s awb is obviously optimized for skin tones which is perfect for me. It dramatically speeds up PP. And fundamentally important for video.
- jpeg and raw colors - excellent, no color correction of any kind needed unless for artistic purposes.
- Video: everything worked out perfect for me. 35IS is my most used lens and I love that it behaves more like 50mm in 4k and if I need wider coverage - I switch back to 1080p. It all gets exported to 4k and you just can’t easily see the difference on 65” tv. The footage is so gorgeous out of camera that it is worth transcoding mjpeg into h264/h265. It is automatic vs. wasting your time PP footage and degrade its quality. Video AF is pure magic.

 

[BlueRay2]

I'm the biggest gear geek there is and I still think my 1DXII and 5DIV combo is the best full frame camera combo period. The features that people say are better with Sony are non-issues and can be mitigated imo. But, more importantly Sony don't offer critical features I need (more so compared to the 1DXII) but the lens line up from Canon is insane and can't be beaten. Obviously no average person will own : 600f/4, 300 f/2.8, fisheye zoom, Tilt-Shift, macro Tilt-Shift, Macro 1:1, Micro lenses ( MP-E 65E), but if your a creative artist working with photography, you would be doing yourself a disservice to not at least rent these lenses for creative work.

i agree! i have most (90%) of the stuff you noted and it is amazing what that gear can do if you are a photography nut ;-) the must own prime in my opinion, is canon 300mm f2.8 II. i have never seen a sharper, the one that renders amazing micro contrast and color rendition than this lens--although my zeiss 100mm f2.0 makro (1:2) comes very close! what i have found out is that all of these amazing lenses have their own signatures so to say lens A is better than lenses B and C, is rather subjective, in my experience! as i have stated already, the only 2 lenses that are truly exceptional, are canon 300 f2.8 II and zeiss 100 f2.0 makro, in my experience. i truly feel privileged to own those 2 lenses among many others!

as for cameras, i love my 1Dx and 1dmk4, i can't believe how nice feature rich and responsive they are for any situation. i would not exchange them for any ML camera for now! my only and only despair about those 2 cameras are low rez sensors. but i won't despair when canon introduces their 5DsR II some time in the near future (fingers crossed) ;-)

Ah I haven't gotten 300 yet! I've been eyeing the 400 next, but I'll have to see. How do you think the 300 II compares to the 600 II ? for me my 600II and 50L are my favorite primes ever. We must have similar taste in lenses because the Zeiss 100 f/2 is what I've been eyeing as a potential next lens for a while now.

canon 300 II and 600 II are 2 different animals! i find 300 II with TC 1.4xIII and 2.0x III very versatile, meaning both TCs work with 300 II very well and hardly notice any IQ hit. 600 II, on the other hand, is fantastic by itself but not so much with either TCs. i have used tc 1.4 III with 600 shooting moon and it turned out beautiful but not soo much shooting small birds! also, handholding the 600 for more than a few minutes can be painful. i haven't gone on trails or long distances with 600, yet but i can imagine that it would be arduous! here are a couple samples cropped shots with 600 II:

600 II+2.0x III



600 II



please click on "original size" for more detail.

--
Who are you gonna believe, me, or your lying eyes? Groucho Marx.

 

[George Zip]

I am on my 2nd year of 5div and my photos are so much better when I compare to what I was getting from 6d (and I thought that was great). 5div is a camera that you just want to use all the time, it is fun, super easy, everything always works. I do both photos and video and 4k footage out of camera is absolutey stunning to the point that I am almost 50% videography now. Some of the standout features for me:
- Perfect ergonomics! I wouldn’t change a thing!
- Outstanding AWB (AWB-W) performance. To the point that it beats my grey card every time. I much prefer ‘as shot’. Canon’s awb is obviously optimized for skin tones which is perfect for me. It dramatically speeds up PP. And fundamentally important for video.
- jpeg and raw colors - excellent, no color correction of any kind needed unless for artistic purposes.
- Video: everything worked out perfect for me. 35IS is my most used lens and I love that it behaves more like 50mm in 4k and if I need wider coverage - I switch back to 1080p. It all gets exported to 4k and you just can’t easily see the difference on 65” tv. The footage is so gorgeous out of camera that it is worth transcoding mjpeg into h264/h265. It is automatic vs. wasting your time PP footage and degrade its quality. Video AF is pure magic.

I sort of alluded to that in my post. Some of the video guys I know are adamant that nothing looks quite like Canon when it comes to video at DSLR level.

I do not really know as my knowledge of video can fit on the back of a postage stamp.

But it is an interesting observation.

 

[Alexsfo]

I am on my 2nd year of 5div and my photos are so much better when I compare to what I was getting from 6d (and I thought that was great). 5div is a camera that you just want to use all the time, it is fun, super easy, everything always works. I do both photos and video and 4k footage out of camera is absolutey stunning to the point that I am almost 50% videography now. Some of the standout features for me:
- Perfect ergonomics! I wouldn’t change a thing!
- Outstanding AWB (AWB-W) performance. To the point that it beats my grey card every time. I much prefer ‘as shot’. Canon’s awb is obviously optimized for skin tones which is perfect for me. It dramatically speeds up PP. And fundamentally important for video.
- jpeg and raw colors - excellent, no color correction of any kind needed unless for artistic purposes.
- Video: everything worked out perfect for me. 35IS is my most used lens and I love that it behaves more like 50mm in 4k and if I need wider coverage - I switch back to 1080p. It all gets exported to 4k and you just can’t easily see the difference on 65” tv. The footage is so gorgeous out of camera that it is worth transcoding mjpeg into h264/h265. It is automatic vs. wasting your time PP footage and degrade its quality. Video AF is pure magic.

I sort of alluded to that in my post. Some of the video guys I know are adamant that nothing looks quite like Canon when it comes to video at DSLR level.

I do not really know as my knowledge of video can fit on the back of a postage stamp.

But it is an interesting observation.

I’ve used Sony and Panasonic cameras for video but prefer Canon since 2016. There are much more important attributes to video shooting than pixel level sharpness for runnung and gunning shooting (99% of all video users). Canon excels in all key areas:

• Smooth and accurate cinematic AF racking which is very flexible depending on the situation and super easy to use.
• Smooth exposure transitions
• Outstanding AWB performance
• Gorgeous color science under any conditions with every picture style usable and serving a purpose (Standard, Neutral, Faithful, Landscape, Fine Detail, Monochrome and Portrait). All you need to do is dial down contrast to the lowest setting. I prefer Standard profile for all my footage. Additional useful styles are available for download, e.g. Autumn Hues or Cinestyle.
• Files out of 5div and even M50 (also own) do not look like from a video camcorder, the aesthetic is far more similar to cinema cameras. And if you have to shoot at high ISO in low light, even the noise looks beautiful, like film as opposed to strong digital noise present on many other brands.
• Outstanding touchscreen performance. This is very important for video when you often want to quietly change settings while filming, not to mention AF control.
• Ergonomics. You may need to hold the camera steady with a heavy lens for a prolonged period of time while filming. 5div is superb in this regard with solid grip that allows the palm to wrap around the body (not just the fingers), very convinient buttons and dials placement with a great degree of customization.

And don’t forget Canon EOS Movie utility that lets you view detailed shooting info for each video file (like exif for video) - works only with Canon files.

 

[hermit383]

Nice, i own the 600 and the 2XIII but not the 1.4XIII.

 

[nlam514]

Same here. It was such a huge upgrade from my 5dmiii, the nay sayers say it wasnt worth the upgrade were wrong.

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-=Professional Forum Troll=-
Only pros shoot with Canon.

I am also thinking about upgrading from 5D3 to 5D4. What are some key benefits you got from the upgrade?

 

[Old Greenlander]

5D4 is an excellent camera and maybe even a bit better than 810

850 is very close above that if you don’t consider the FPS improvement

don't envy Nikon at this iteration you are in good shape