What about the A7RII?

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Is there a compelling case for the A7RII, is it still a good camera, is it worth saving the small amount of money or has the A7RIII removed the case for the RII? Is there any point even considering the A7(not R)II?

I have noticed that there is very little discussion or interest on these boards on the RII these days, and even less for the II, which is leading me to believe that they are now highly out of favor, esp. compared to the RIII.

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The reason why there is very little discussion on the older cameras is because they are old (2014 and 2015 cameras). They had their time in the spotlight and there's nothing much to be discussed anymore.

The A7RII is more like a retarded (as in slow, not stupid) version of the A7RIII. It can do almost everything the newer camera can, but slower and laggier.
 
The release of the new models didn't affect the capabilities of the old ones - they still take the same quality of photos they did previously.
 
If you don't shoot action or in very low light, the 7r iii's improvements may not be worth the additional cost, depending on how good a price you get on the 7r ii. The image quality isn't significantly different. The significant differences are in things like auto focus speed, tracking ability, frames per second in continuous shooting and the ability to AF in lower light (-2 EV for the 7r ii compared to -4 EV for the 7r iii). I ordered a 7r ii and then decided that since I shoot a lot of sports and lower light stuff, the 7r iii was worth the premium for my uses and I canceled my 7r ii order. If I primarily shot landscapes, I'd have stuck with the 7r ii.
 
I would argue there's still a compelling case for the original A7R if you don't need the IBIS and or fast AF. It has amazing image quality and is lighter than the newer versions.

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I'm a newcomer to Sony, but I think this applies to any brand: when the a7R II came out, there was much effusive praise for its capability, much discussion of what wonderful images it could produce. And all of that was justified. So - now there's the a7R III. Is all of that praise of the a7R II no longer valid? Are those images now crap? That makes no sense. If it was a good camera then, it's a good camera now.

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Is there a compelling case for the A7RII, is it still a good camera, is it worth saving the small amount of money or has the A7RIII removed the case for the RII? Is there any point even considering the A7(not R)II?

I have noticed that there is very little discussion or interest on these boards on the RII these days, and even less for the II, which is leading me to believe that they are now highly out of favor, esp. compared to the RIII.
The α7R2 was and is a wonderful camera.

It is not quite as much of a versatile all-'rounder as its successor, not quite as fast, nor quite as easy to use, but it is very capable and can produce superb images if you play to its many strengths.

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The reason why there is very little discussion on the older cameras is because they are old (2014 and 2015 cameras). They had their time in the spotlight and there's nothing much to be discussed anymore.

The A7RII is more like a retarded (as in slow, not stupid) version of the A7RIII. It can do almost everything the newer camera can, but slower and laggier.
 
I am about to hit 50,000 images on my A7RII. It has been a spectacular camera. Frankly, from a pure image quality standpoint it is difficult to imagine needing more and I'm printing as big as 24x36". I don't think the reviews have claimed any significant improvement in image quality with the A7RIII. BUT if you are shooting a lot of moving subjects or doing something like wedding photography the improved focus systems of the A9 or A7RIII will make a significant difference to the number of keepers you have. I don't do that kind of work and I see no reason to upgrade at this time.
 
Is there a compelling case for the A7RII, is it still a good camera, is it worth saving the small amount of money or has the A7RIII removed the case for the RII? Is there any point even considering the A7(not R)II?

I have noticed that there is very little discussion or interest on these boards on the RII these days, and even less for the II, which is leading me to believe that they are now highly out of favor, esp. compared to the RIII.
The a7riii is a fine camera, but expensive. The a7rii was such a good camera when released, it still shines today. IMO, there is not enough difference between the two to justify the upgrade.

If the sensor was higher resolution or had a major bump in dynamic range, then it would have been worth upgrading. So I'll just wait for the next major leap.

Den
 
I'm a newcomer to Sony, but I think this applies to any brand: when the a7R II came out, there was much effusive praise for its capability, much discussion of what wonderful images it could produce. And all of that was justified. So - now there's the a7R III. Is all of that praise of the a7R II no longer valid? Are those images now crap? That makes no sense. If it was a good camera then, it's a good camera now.
 
which is leading me to believe that they are now highly out of favor, esp. compared to the RIII.
I think you are making assumptions that aren't necessarily right. The A7rII has been discussed a ton since it was announced a little less than 3 years ago but now people are just enjoying the camera and not talking about it much. I'll eventually upgrade but it will be a while and it probably won't be to the A7rIII.
 
The A7RII is more like a retarded (as in slow, not stupid) version of the A7RIII. It can do almost everything the newer camera can,
Retarded is just mean I like to think of my mk II as special :-) Joking aside it is about the slowest digital camera I have used in a number of ways but great image quality trumps all that . Luckily for what I typically shoot the advances of the mk III are largely irrelevant , though I would like the pixel shift mode for certain circumstances
 
Is there a compelling case for the A7RII, is it still a good camera, is it worth saving the small amount of money or has the A7RIII removed the case for the RII? Is there any point even considering the A7(not R)II?

I have noticed that there is very little discussion or interest on these boards on the RII these days, and even less for the II, which is leading me to believe that they are now highly out of favor, esp. compared to the RIII.
I had been shooting M43 since the beginning of that system when I noted that the original A7 came out late 2013. I immediately was interested due to the FF sensor and the step up in image quality that should give, but I found that if I compared it to my Olympus camera at the time, the A7 felt like an unpolished product and with too few lenses in the system. It felt almost like rewinding to the beginning of the first M43 cameras from an operational standpoint.

By the time the A7RII came around mid 2015 I noted that it, as a camera, was the first FE body that ticked enough function boxes for me and that the AF speed was also good enough for me so that I could live with it as a camera compared to what I was used to, but with a big jump up in DR and low light capabilities. The lens lineup had also improved enough. So I jumped into the FE camp and bought one.

And I still feel the same today. I wouldn't be happy with either the A7, A7S, A7R or A7II since they lack things I consider valuable to me. You might of course think different depending on your needs.

I can't say anything really about the A7SII, I haven't studied it close enough. I'm a stills shooter mainly, not doing much video at all. The original A7S I looked into due to the low light capabilities but ruled it out due to not having the AF speed I'd like. By the time the A7RII came, the low light capabilities of it was so close to the A7SII that I never consider that one an option for me.

There are things the A7RII is not so good at and speed is the main theme. It is a wonderful camera if you like to work in a slower pace. The A7RIII gives only a slight quality improvement but it improves the speed rather much of basically everything. So one could say that the A7RIII is a turbo charged A7RII with some added on other improvements. Only you can judge if it is worth the money difference.

But then, if speed is what you need and you can live without the R 42 Mpix resolution and come down to 24 Mpix, which I guess you can since you included 24 Mpix cameras in your question, then the A9 is also a candidate to look into. Used ones exists nowadays. Still not what I would cheap, but quite much under list prices.

Sony have kept all FE cameras on the market since they all fill someones needs vs what they cost and they still sell enough of them to keep them in stock.

Which one is for you is really an exercise with listing your needs in terms of must haves, nice to haves and your budget and compare that to the current new (and used prices if that is an option for you) and compare that list to the specs of each model.

The things that isn't in the specs, like how fast a model AFs or operates from a user experience perspective or works from a handling perspective can be found here in previous posts or by asking specifically about something.

Good luck in finding your FE camera!

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If you don't shoot action or in very low light, the 7r iii's improvements may not be worth the additional cost, depending on how good a price you get on the 7r ii. The image quality isn't significantly different. The significant differences are in things like auto focus speed, tracking ability, frames per second in continuous shooting and the ability to AF in lower light (-2 EV for the 7r ii compared to -4 EV for the 7r iii). I ordered a 7r ii and then decided that since I shoot a lot of sports and lower light stuff, the 7r iii was worth the premium for my uses and I canceled my 7r ii order. If I primarily shot landscapes, I'd have stuck with the 7r ii.
 
Is there a compelling case for the A7RII, is it still a good camera, is it worth saving the small amount of money or has the A7RIII removed the case for the RII? Is there any point even considering the A7(not R)II?
If you're not stuck on getting a brand new camera, a mint condition used A7r2 is currently selling for around half the price of a mint condition A7r3. With the Sony dealers offering $970 right now on trade for the A7r2 during this recent promo, the disparity in price between the two may soon be even greater.

For me personally, I have concerns about how the A7r3 handles color in video and therefore have no plans to part with my A7r2...will just have to wait for the A7r4.
 
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The reason why there is very little discussion on the older cameras is because they are old (2014 and 2015 cameras). They had their time in the spotlight and there's nothing much to be discussed anymore.

The A7RII is more like a retarded (as in slow, not stupid) version of the A7RIII. It can do almost everything the newer camera can, but slower and laggier.
I can understand what you're "awkwardly" trying to say, but specifically aside from shot speed and the second card slot, what can the a7riii do that the a7rii can't to justify the expensive upgrade?

Note: I shoot mostly landscapes and portraits, and 99% of my shots are in silent mode.

If I shoot action, I prefer to shoot 3 shot .3 bracketing bursts (again in silent mode), then correct the slight under/over exposure automatically in post. This allows me to shoot continuously in silent mode.

If I shoot lowlight/indoor action (rarely), I'll shoot continuous Lo (fast enough for me) with the mechanical shutter. This is the only type of shooting I would prefer to take on the a7riii with its anti-flicker mode. This also is an area where the a9 maybe the better option?

Den
 
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Note: I shoot mostly landscapes and portraits, and 99% of my shots are in silent mode.
Out of curiosity, why do you use the silent mode instead of the mech shutter with or without EFCS?
Because from my testing, silent shutter works so well, the only occasion I see any difference is when shooting under artificial light (banding).

The loss of dynamic range in silent mode (12bit) is also negligible/unnoticeable 99% of the time, and I can shoot with without any shutter vibration.

So why wear out the mechanical shutter unnecessarily.

Den
 
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