My wife's take on the new X-Pro2 4k - she's not a photographer and doesn't care about this stuff.

[Bershatsky]

I was explaining how cool it was that we can now shoot 4k with the same camera. First she asked how that's possible. I explained that the sensor was always large enough for a 4k signal, but now they were able to capture that data through the firmware.

Her conclusion was that it's BS. That the camera should have done it when it was released and that they just wanted you to go out and buy a new camera.

Now that I'm thinking about it, I agree with her. This should have been a feature from day 1!

I've had a chance to look at the footage. It's nice, but I'm glad I purchased a Sony a6500 for video. I'll still use my Fuji's for stills as they are more enjoyable to shoot with, but Sony focuses faster, better, has IBIS, LOG, etc. etc.

 

[57even]

I was explaining how cool it was that we can now shoot 4k with the same camera. First she asked how that's possible. I explained that the sensor was always large enough for a 4k signal, but now they were able to capture that data through the firmware.

Her conclusion was that it's BS. That the camera should have done it when it was released and that they just wanted you to go out and buy a new camera.

If they wanted you to buy a new camera, why did they release it as a firmware update?

Now that I'm thinking about it, I agree with her. This should have been a feature from day 1!

I've had a chance to look at the footage. It's nice, but I'm glad I purchased a Sony a6500 for video. I'll still use my Fuji's for stills as they are more enjoyable to shoot with, but Sony focuses faster, better, has IBIS, LOG, etc. etc.

So, you didn't even need it because you already had a 4K camera?

Some people are never happy about anything.

 

[John Gellings]

I was explaining how cool it was that we can now shoot 4k with the same camera. First she asked how that's possible. I explained that the sensor was always large enough for a 4k signal, but now they were able to capture that data through the firmware.

Her conclusion was that it's BS. That the camera should have done it when it was released and that they just wanted you to go out and buy a new camera.

Yet...it was a free update. Plus, I doubt they wanted you to buy a Sony to supplement it.

 

[stevo23]

I was explaining how cool it was that we can now shoot 4k with the same camera. First she asked how that's possible. I explained that the sensor was always large enough for a 4k signal, but now they were able to capture that data through the firmware.

Her conclusion was that it's BS. That the camera should have done it when it was released and that they just wanted you to go out and buy a new camera.

Now that I'm thinking about it, I agree with her. This should have been a feature from day 1!

I've had a chance to look at the footage. It's nice, but I'm glad I purchased a Sony a6500 for video. I'll still use my Fuji's for stills as they are more enjoyable to shoot with, but Sony focuses faster, better, has IBIS, LOG, etc. etc.

If this were Nikon or Canon, you'd be stuck with whatever the camera was released with.

Fuji has taken a better approach and one that is in line with the best companies in how they release product features. It makes total sense to release it with a stripped down set of features first and let the market tell them what features they want as they use it.

Release date is very important in their strategy and there is only a finite amount of time and effort that can be expended and a company has to decide what they will focus on. 4

In this case, it was certainly not common to have 4k in every camera at the time and they had no idea if the XP2 crowd wanted it. Many users, myself included, have never even accessed the video features of this camera. Literally, I don't even know how.

So it makes sense that they would concentrate their efforts where they were certain the features would be wanted.

 

[celestialemissary]

I was explaining how cool it was that we can now shoot 4k with the same camera. First she asked how that's possible. I explained that the sensor was always large enough for a 4k signal, but now they were able to capture that data through the firmware.

Her conclusion was that it's BS. That the camera should have done it when it was released and that they just wanted you to go out and buy a new camera.

Now that I'm thinking about it, I agree with her. This should have been a feature from day 1!

I've had a chance to look at the footage. It's nice, but I'm glad I purchased a Sony a6500 for video. I'll still use my Fuji's for stills as they are more enjoyable to shoot with, but Sony focuses faster, better, has IBIS, LOG, etc. etc.

and it has terrible 1080p video, really terrible LCD screen and terrible rolling shutter

If you don't grade that much I think Fuji is better option.
It has good video AF , very nice colors out of the box, rolling shutter is decent, combined with OIS lens (18-55 or 18-135) it's a nice combo.
OIS works great for video until you start walking but still IBIS in a6500 is not that much better.

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[d750guy]

I was explaining how cool it was that we can now shoot 4k with the same camera. First she asked how that's possible. I explained that the sensor was always large enough for a 4k signal, but now they were able to capture that data through the firmware.

Her conclusion was that it's BS. That the camera should have done it when it was released and that they just wanted you to go out and buy a new camera.

Now that I'm thinking about it, I agree with her. This should have been a feature from day 1!

I've had a chance to look at the footage. It's nice, but I'm glad I purchased a Sony a6500 for video. I'll still use my Fuji's for stills as they are more enjoyable to shoot with, but Sony focuses faster, better, has IBIS, LOG, etc. etc.

The xpro was released over 2 years ago. Back then 4k was relatively new and few cameras were capable of it. They added 4k for free. It's free and voluntary, what's there to whine about?

 

[Jerry-astro]

I was explaining how cool it was that we can now shoot 4k with the same camera. First she asked how that's possible. I explained that the sensor was always large enough for a 4k signal, but now they were able to capture that data through the firmware.

Her conclusion was that it's BS. That the camera should have done it when it was released and that they just wanted you to go out and buy a new camera.

Now that I'm thinking about it, I agree with her. This should have been a feature from day 1!

I've had a chance to look at the footage. It's nice, but I'm glad I purchased a Sony a6500 for video. I'll still use my Fuji's for stills as they are more enjoyable to shoot with, but Sony focuses faster, better, has IBIS, LOG, etc. etc.

I think I’m feeling compelled to join the growing line of posters that that are calling bull on your OP.

As they say, perhaps you’d like some cheese with your whine... You bought that camera with a known feature set at a given price and now you’re complaining that the free upgrade you got wasn’t available from the outset? Nothing wrong with having a second camera for video if you feel that it does a better job. But you’re going to have a lot of trouble finding much sympathy about this “issue” here, and certainly none from me.

 

[Vic Chapman]

I think we all know who's talking BS here. As a penance for making you look silly, you should hide her Christmas present until next Christmas.

Vic

 

[JonPB]

"She's not a photographer and doesn't care about this stuff."

You're not a [hardware|software] developer and don't care about that stuff either, I presume.

The whole purpose of 4K eludes me. I don't see why anyone other than major studios (with long-tail investments) would want it, and they're certainly not going to be shooting on an X-Pro2. But then, I'm not a videographer and I don't care about that stuff. At least, not enough to negate such hyperbole.

 

[CCD FTW]

I agree with your wife.

 

[stevo23]

I agree with your wife.

How would you introduce products overall?

 

[chupacabra1]

I've had a chance to look at the footage. It's nice, but I'm glad I purchased a Sony a6500 for video. I'll still use my Fuji's for stills as they are more enjoyable to shoot with, but Sony focuses faster, better, has IBIS, LOG, etc. etc.

Same here. I carry both the X-T2 + A6500 when I travel abroad, one for photo and for video. That would probably change though when the X-H1 comes out. I would rather just bring one camera.

All this Kaizen update is BS I agree. All these new features were already built in the camera and Fuji is just releasing them slowly through firmware upgrade so they would look good to their customers.

 

[Joachim Gerstl]

I don't get it. It was a firmware update that integrated new features to a product released 2 years ago.

Beside that: The X Pro-2 is not a video camera. 4K or no 4K makes no difference.

 

[Father Bouvier]

I've had a chance to look at the footage. It's nice, but I'm glad I purchased a Sony a6500 for video. I'll still use my Fuji's for stills as they are more enjoyable to shoot with, but Sony focuses faster, better, has IBIS, LOG, etc. etc.

Same here. I carry both the X-T2 + A6500 when I travel abroad, one for photo and for video. That would probably change though when the X-H1 comes out. I would rather just bring one camera.

All this Kaizen update is BS I agree. All these new features were already built in the camera and Fuji is just releasing them slowly through firmware upgrade so they would look good to their customers.

It's really all about expectations. If the expectations are met you are moderately satisfied. If the expectations are exceeded that's when you are really happy.

Had Fuji promised 4k at the time they released Pro2, then you would be correct that the upgrades are just repayment of the debt. But Fuji never promised 4k, and those who bought the camera didn't expect it at the time. So the firmware updates exceeded expectations, and that's what makes Fuji users happy now.

But this is a dangerous game. In time Fuji customers will learn to expect regular updates of the old models and receiving them wouldn't increase their satisfaction, but failing to receive them would be perceived very negatively. So Fuji have to bake in the cost of continuous development in the product price just to meet customers expectations. The same happened to the lens prices. Fuji, like all those mattress companies, conditioned buyers to expect frequent deep discounts. When they stopped that practice, many were disappointed, many are still waiting for another big sale.

Sony users, on the other hand, don't expect any updates, so they aren't dissatisfied by not receiving them, They are used to the 'what you see is what you get' from Sony.

 

[rwbaron]

Did your wife ever consider that just maybe the firmware to implement 4K was not ready for prime time when the X-Pro2 was released? That just maybe the camera needed to be released to the public as a great stills camera with the understanding within Fuji that 4K will come with a firmware update when the engineers and product team were satisfied with the IQ and implementation?

I'm sure your wife is a wonderful person (why else would you have married her ;-) ) but me thinks there's probably quite a bit she doesn't understand about product development especially for highly technical electronic devices.

I of course say this with all due respect.

 

[Threaded]

I think there’s an awful lot of nonsense being peddled about this update and “your wife” is just another culprit.

Do I think Fuji are being completely altruistic in their updates and releasing new features as an act of charity, of course not. The X-Pro2 is likely to remain a current model for at least another year, and 2018 consumers are will see 4K as a given for any expensive camera. Fuji certainly don’t want potential XP2 customers choosing the X-E3 instead, and spending less money, just for that tick in the box.

Do I think this is all some conspiracy and that Fuji deliberately held 4K back all this time, no course not. When the X-Pro2 was being developed they were also working on the X-T2 and clearly felt at the time that sampled 4K with flog etc was the way to go for their flagship cameras; they designed the X-T2 to support that but the XP2 hardware does not, not then and not now either. Later they looked to implement a lesser, less intensive full sensor implementation that they could add cheaply to th XT20 and that’s what we now have on the X-Pro2. It’s not the best they offer, it’s not a replacement for the X-T2 (let alone the coming X-H1) if video is your thing, but it ticks that box. Simple.

 

[John Gellings]

All this Kaizen update is BS I agree. All these new features were already built in the camera and Fuji is just releasing them slowly through firmware upgrade so they would look good to their customers.

Or the features weren't ready and they release them when they are truly ready.

 

[oscarvdvelde]

All this Kaizen update is BS I agree. All these new features were already built in the camera and Fuji is just releasing them slowly through firmware upgrade so they would look good to their customers.

Or the features weren't ready and they release them when they are truly ready.

Reading this forum around the time of X-Pro2 release, there were quite a number of photographers who claimed they would prefer not to buy a camera that offers video, afraid it would clutter the photography experience. Maybe Fuji wanted to avoid the extreme focus on 4K video capability at that time.

Also Fuji talked about heat dissipation issues which probably still limit the use of 4K on the X-Pro2...

 

[John Gellings]

All this Kaizen update is BS I agree. All these new features were already built in the camera and Fuji is just releasing them slowly through firmware upgrade so they would look good to their customers.

Or the features weren't ready and they release them when they are truly ready.

Reading this forum around the time of X-Pro2 release, there were quite a number of photographers who claimed they would prefer not to buy a camera that offers video, afraid it would clutter the photography experience.

I'm weird this way... I would like my still cameras to not offer video. I have used the Leica M8/M9, and Nikon Df in the past... no video was pretty cool. I just have no interest in video.

 

[Canadianguy]

Your wife made 2 points that needs to be broken down:

1) 4K video should have been included when released

2) Fujifilm held it back because they want you to buy a new camera

Sure - I guess people can say that the X-Pro2 should have had 4K when it was released in March 2016 but the specs were known to everyone that originally purchased it - so if you really wanted 4K - why would you buy an X-Pro2 when the specs clearly didn't have it?

On point 2: Fujifilm held it back because they wanted you to buy one of their other cameras - what other Fujifilm camera had 4K in March 2016? None that I can remember - you had to wait till the X-T2 before 4K camera came into the Fujifilm X-space.

By your wife's logic - Fujifilm shouldn't have released the firmware update to the X-Pro2 because the X-H1 is rumoured to be the video centric camera with all the video features. So why add 4K video to an older body when they could be pushing you to the X-T2 or have you wait for the X-H1?

Now Sony is famous for pushing new cameras when firmware updates could of extended the features of older model cameras. How long was the A6300 on the market before the A6500 came out with the same sensor and body?

So - I could agree with point 1 but not the reason for it as presented in point 2 - as its illogically given the history and facts in the market.

I was explaining how cool it was that we can now shoot 4k with the same camera. First she asked how that's possible. I explained that the sensor was always large enough for a 4k signal, but now they were able to capture that data through the firmware.

Her conclusion was that it's BS. That the camera should have done it when it was released and that they just wanted you to go out and buy a new camera.

Now that I'm thinking about it, I agree with her. This should have been a feature from day 1!

I've had a chance to look at the footage. It's nice, but I'm glad I purchased a Sony a6500 for video. I'll still use my Fuji's for stills as they are more enjoyable to shoot with, but Sony focuses faster, better, has IBIS, LOG, etc. etc.