Fuji XT - 5

[robert1955]

If you ditch all the gimmicks and rubbish that most will never use the camera will be cheaper to produce

The change in hardware you propose is very limited, not much saving and that will be off set by the probably limited number of sales. The firmware reductions you want are bigger, but for Fuji it would probably cheaper to just not connect the video firmware to a physical button than to make separate firmware. Anyway, cost reductions [if any] do not necessarily lead to a reduced price.

and I guess most will spend the cash they have saved on extra lenses.

Oh another one of these purist posts.

"most will never use" says who?

Why does a camera having features you don't use harm you? What makes you so special that it has to be designed for you rather than a range of customers with differing needs, abilities, disabilities and uses?

There is nothing wrong with being a purist. The world would be a safer place if there were more of us. We could save the planet as well.

Some of the worst political criminals [past, present and future] claimed to be purists. I would not claim that term (and this is definitely a tongue in cheek comment)

I have two cars. A modern car with loads of tech that do pointless things which car manufactures persuade people they need. Well actually you don't get a choice. You either have it or you walk. I also have a 27 year old Saab 900 with no gizmos. Guess which one I prefer to drive ? In terms of safety (which I guess is the most important factor when it comes to a car) the Saab is better. Imagine that.

I can imagine, but I can also doubt it. It is also dirty and inefficient.

I have an oven with about 30 different cooking modes that I don't need. Mankind have being cooking pies for centuries we don't need a pie cooking mode. Cooking modes are for dumb people. Don't get me started about washing machines.

Mankind maybe, womankind thinks differently as they were doing our washing.

If people want all the latest tech squeezed into a camera then that is fine. But there are some of us who don't. The XT 10 is a fantastic camera but it needs ergonomically improving.

The things in your OP were mainly not about ergonomics: only the ISO dial really was, and there are other some of us [including me] who consider that superfluous if auto iso were better implemented.

They have seen to have forgotten that bit with the XT 20. All fuji have done is keep up with the joneses.

So yes, there is room for a XT 5.

This does not follow from the

Simple weather sealed camera

Nice to have, but WR so far is limited to what the warranty says

, simple menu,

you have up till now not defined what you consider a simple menu. Fuji menu system is not prefect, but most of it is only setting up and then rarely revisited. I could use a 'my menu' for the few settings that need to be changed in different scenario's

no video,

also no liveview? the two are very much related

no rubbish for us purists.

but where do you draw the line? it seems you grew up with in-camera metering and autofocus, but a really pure purist would eschew those as well.

Trouble is it will be future-proof

It is not even past-proof [see above].

and future-proof cameras don't make money for Amazon.

What is more important: even if this were a viable market proposition (which I doubt), it would not make money for Fuji.

 

[hotpot65]

I am a bit disappointed with Fuji, they should not be joining the bandwagaon like other manufacturers and incorporating crâp that 99% of us don't need.

Well, since we're voicing strong opinions here, here's mine: since when did your personal view represent 99% of the "us" you refer to (which I assume would be DPR readers)? That seems like a pretty arrogant stance to me, since I personally don't happen to agree with most of your opinions here. However, I'll try to avoid characterizing my opinion as representative of others, unlike your comment above.

There are definitely different camps here, some of whom embrace a minimalistic approach and want only basic controls, minimal menu hunting, and no frills. Others prefer more modern user interface features like touch screens, etc. There is no right and wrong here, and frankly, I Fuji has done a better job than most in finding a nice happy medium that honors the best of the legacy cameras but also embraces more modern user interface enhancements.

With respect, you are not a good moderator.

This is a tongue and cheek thread about the way cameras are developing. Fuji in included.

Grow up a bit.

With respect, you should learn how to write and phrase a better tongue in cheek post.

 

[Touraine]

@ robert1955

In terms of my Saab 900, I think you will find it is quite safe. Have a look on you tube. Having said that, if you crashed into it with your 'modern' car you would not be feeling to well afterwards to be fair. LOl. Your car would disintegrate whilst you are being suffocated by an airbag.

Dirty and efficient its not, and much much less of a threat to the planet than some muppet who feels the need to change their car every year. Bit like digital cameras. Don't tell me Fuji has not already designed the XT 30 or the XT 40 for that matter. They already know what they are going to put in it and tempt you to spend some more cash on something you don't need.

We will soon reach a point in time when a manufacturer will go back to basics. Fuji did it with the design (all retro looking) but have since jumped right back on the bandwagon. Hopefully, they might wake up before the others get in before them.

Cameras are becoming too complicated with tech that 'some' (like me) don't need or want. There is a market for more simple cameras.

I see records (anyone remember them) have become more popular than digital music downloads. Imagine that.

 

[robert1955]

@ robert1955

In terms of my Saab 900, I think you will find it is quite safe. Have a look on you tube.

Not that safe
The Saab 900 achieved a two-star front- and side-impact rating. The passenger compartment became structurally unstable and screen pillar movement was excessive following the frontal-impact test. Meanwhile, in the side-impact test, chest protection was assessed as poor. Furthermore, the presence of stiff structures in the area likely to be struck by the driver's knees during a frontal impact presented a significant risk of injury to his knees, thighs and pelvis.

Having said that, if you crashed into it with your 'modern' car you would not be feeling to well afterwards to be fair. LOl. Your car would disintegrate whilst you are being suffocated by an airbag.

That is an urban myth. BTW the test above was for a 1997 model which has front airbags

Dirty and efficient its not, and much much less of a threat to the planet than some muppet who feels the need to change their car every year.

Hardly anyone does that nowadays. And talking about muppets ....

Bit like digital cameras. Don't tell me Fuji has not already designed the XT 30 or the XT 40 for that matter.

With a model update every two-three years they may be thinking about it. But that does not mean you have to buy every refresh

They already know what they are going to put in it

I don't expect they do. They'll have a direction in mind (what marketing thinks can sell and engineering thinks they will be able to make, both at price point involved)

and tempt you to spend some more cash on something you don't need.

There is a good thread going about coping with GAS [not that you seem to suffer from it]

We will soon reach a point in time when a manufacturer will go back to basics.

You still have not defined what are basics.

Fuji did it with the design (all retro looking) but have since jumped right back on the bandwagon. Hopefully, they might wake up before the others get in before them.

Cameras are becoming too complicated with tech that 'some' (like me) don't need or want. There is a market for more simple cameras.

You keep saying that, but the fact that no camera company goes for it shpws otherwise

I see records (anyone remember them) have become more popular than digital music downloads. Imagine that.

Well, the actual news item was about outselling in pounds, not in numbers

Now, you will probably do some more selective quoting, I'm only interested in what you would consider basic features, and a realistic price point for that wish camera

 

[Touraine]

@ robert1955

In terms of my Saab 900, I think you will find it is quite safe. Have a look on you tube.

Not that safe
The Saab 900 achieved a two-star front- and side-impact rating. The passenger compartment became structurally unstable and screen pillar movement was excessive following the frontal-impact test. Meanwhile, in the side-impact test, chest protection was assessed as poor. Furthermore, the presence of stiff structures in the area likely to be struck by the driver's knees during a frontal impact presented a significant risk of injury to his knees, thighs and pelvis.

Having said that, if you crashed into it with your 'modern' car you would not be feeling to well afterwards to be fair. LOl. Your car would disintegrate whilst you are being suffocated by an airbag.

That is an urban myth. BTW the test above was for a 1997 model which has front airbags

Dirty and efficient its not, and much much less of a threat to the planet than some muppet who feels the need to change their car every year.

Hardly anyone does that nowadays. And talking about muppets ....

Bit like digital cameras. Don't tell me Fuji has not already designed the XT 30 or the XT 40 for that matter.

With a model update every two-three years they may be thinking about it. But that does not mean you have to buy every refresh

They already know what they are going to put in it

I don't expect they do. They'll have a direction in mind (what marketing thinks can sell and engineering thinks they will be able to make, both at price point involved)

and tempt you to spend some more cash on something you don't need.

There is a good thread going about coping with GAS [not that you seem to suffer from it]

We will soon reach a point in time when a manufacturer will go back to basics.

You still have not defined what are basics.

Fuji did it with the design (all retro looking) but have since jumped right back on the bandwagon. Hopefully, they might wake up before the others get in before them.

Cameras are becoming too complicated with tech that 'some' (like me) don't need or want. There is a market for more simple cameras.

You keep saying that, but the fact that no camera company goes for it shpws otherwise

I see records (anyone remember them) have become more popular than digital music downloads. Imagine that.

Well, the actual news item was about outselling in pounds, not in numbers

Now, you will probably do some more selective quoting, I'm only interested in what you would consider basic features, and a realistic price point for that wish camera

Ok, Ok , Ok

0.54 into the video. Actually just watch the video. That is a photographers car.

P.S I am happy to pay more for a stripped down XT-whatever without the gizmos. It is cheaper than buying a new camera every year. LOL.

 

[arbux]

"If you ditch all the gimmicks and rubbish that most will never use"

this statement is beyond stupid.

Why people post this stuff? Neither fuji will produce such camera, not making it produce any specific savings over existing model?

How did you reach the conclusion that not having video recording would make ANY savings? Do you think fuji needs to write codecs and menus for every camera separately?

Producing yet another cameras and cannibalizing demand for x-t2 or x-t20 is supposed to save costs? If anything, it will increase costs. Plus any mechanical changes is where cost are loaded - like iso dial (WHY iso dial would be so important? use exposure compensation and auto iso in M mode)

Or maybe by writing that you don't want touchscreen and video you now "true and only" photographer?

If you don't want video - don't use it. Don't use flash. Don't use touch screen.

If you want it cheaper - waht a year or so, but used or buy previous model.

And if you think that fuji is adding rubish and gimmick which most buyers will never use - why are you interested in buying gear from such stupid company?

Fuji if you are listening, can you build me this camera....

A weather sealed XT 10/20 type size body with the same specs as the new xt-20 but without...

* Video recording....really not bothered.

* No internal flash....not bothered either.

- No touch screen...not important.

- I want an ISO dial on the top.

- A very simple menu interface.

- A bkt function that allows you to record a picture in all film simulation modes/custom settings.

If you ditch all the gimmicks and rubbish that most will never use the camera will be cheaper to produce and I guess most will spend the cash they have saved on extra lenses.

Good idea ?

 

[arbux]

Fuji if you are listening, can you build me this camera....

A weather sealed XT 10/20 type size body with the same specs as the new xt-20 but without...

Nope, body too small. I prefer size of X-T1/X-T2

* Video recording....really not bothered.

Agreed! Also helps with heat disipation.

Don't use it. That helps even more if you have heat issues.

* No internal flash....not bothered either.

Agreed.

Don't use it.

- No touch screen...not important.

Oh yes. Just another gimic. I would want to be able to turn this off is it appeared in the next body.

Don't use it.

- I want an ISO dial on the top.

Of course. All real camera have this.

Oh, "real cameras" for "real photographers". As opposed to vast majority of phoitographers that is very succsessful with that gimmick.

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- Function buttons that are easy to remember.

Play some chess and practice with the camera. Fuji can't help your memory.

You cannot help the age

- A very simple menu interface.

You mean the current one isn't intuitive?

You cannot help the age.

- A bkt function that allows you to record a picture in all film simulation modes/custom settings.

Nope, film simulation is a gimic, as are jpegs.

LCD is a gimmick. Who needs to see the picture on a camera? "real photographers" take it right anyway.

If you ditch all the gimmicks and rubbish that most will never use the camera will be cheaper to produce and I guess most will spend the cash they have saved on extra lenses.

Good idea ?

Why wait until X-T5? X-T3? X-T2S?

If you wait long enough the issue will be resolved on demand side, not the supply.

 

[arbux]

I thought you wanted an early wishlist for the successor to the successor [if they don't skip the mournful 4] to the successor of the X-T2. But you want a tweener. I think Fuji's market share is too small for that

Fuji if you are listening, can you build me this camera....

- A bkt function that allows you to record a picture in all film simulation modes/custom settings.

If you ditch all the gimmicks and rubbish that most will never use the camera will be cheaper to produce and I guess most will spend the cash they have saved on extra lenses.

Good idea ?

Well, you want gimmicks and rubbish out, after you ask for the most gimmicky bkt function of all. RAF is the answer to that.

Not at all. If you were a child or young student interested in photography then I think it would be a good function. Explain to me why it would not be.

I thought you want camera for "real" photographers and not for children. Children like gimmicks.

If you think introducing 4k video instead that nobody will use

LOL.

and will be redundant in a years time is a good idea then .... well......want can I say ?

 

[arbux]

Don't tell me Fuji has not already designed the XT 30 or the XT 40 for that matter.

They didn't and that's certain.

They already know what they are going to put in it

They don't know because they don't know what they can achieve in r&d in next year, they don't knwo whjat competition will come up with and they don't know hw market trends will unveil.

and tempt you to spend some more cash on something you don't need.

We will soon reach a point in time when a manufacturer will go back to basics.

Will. Not. Happen. Basic is mobile phone. But you can always bug sigma merrill.

Fuji did it with the design (all retro looking) but have since jumped right back on the bandwagon.

let's think why is that? Maybe they need people to buy their cameras anmd that retro didn't work so well?

Hopefully, they might wake up before the others get in before them.

No one is chaisng them there. let's think why no company grabs that gold mine.

Cameras are becoming too complicated with tech that 'some' (like me) don't need or want. There is a market for more simple cameras.

Mobile phone.

I see records (anyone remember them) have become more popular than digital music downloads. Imagine that.

I don't see that. have numbers or this is usual internet rubish talk?

 

[Touraine]

"If you ditch all the gimmicks and rubbish that most will never use"

this statement is beyond stupid.

Why people post this stuff? Neither fuji will produce such camera, not making it produce any specific savings over existing model?

How did you reach the conclusion that not having video recording would make ANY savings? Do you think fuji needs to write codecs and menus for every camera separately?

Producing yet another cameras and cannibalizing demand for x-t2 or x-t20 is supposed to save costs? If anything, it will increase costs. Plus any mechanical changes is where cost are loaded - like iso dial (WHY iso dial would be so important? use exposure compensation and auto iso in M mode)

Or maybe by writing that you don't want touchscreen and video you now "true and only" photographer?

If you don't want video - don't use it. Don't use flash. Don't use touch screen.

If you want it cheaper - waht a year or so, but used or buy previous model.

And if you think that fuji is adding rubish and gimmick which most buyers will never use - why are you interested in buying gear from such stupid company?

Fuji if you are listening, can you build me this camera....

A weather sealed XT 10/20 type size body with the same specs as the new xt-20 but without...

* Video recording....really not bothered.

* No internal flash....not bothered either.

- No touch screen...not important.

- I want an ISO dial on the top.

- A very simple menu interface.

- A bkt function that allows you to record a picture in all film simulation modes/custom settings.

If you ditch all the gimmicks and rubbish that most will never use the camera will be cheaper to produce and I guess most will spend the cash they have saved on extra lenses.

Good idea ?

You have missed the point of the thread. Bless.

Lets take a different analogy.

Ski companies bring out 'new' skis every year. Thinner, fatter, longer, smaller, and this that and the other. Every year there are new types of skis invented that ski manufacturers claim will make you a better skier. LOL

Now, my OH can ski. Boy she can ski well. But her skis were made in the 80's and have no value. They are those little thin skis which I guess 99% of todays skiing population would just fall over very quickly when trying them on.

She skis in jeans. She won't fall over and can make ski instructors look like idiots.

Digital cameras are becoming likes skis......a marketing con.

 

[robert1955]

P.S I am happy to pay more for a stripped down XT-whatever without the gizmos. It is cheaper than buying a new camera every year. LOL.

Still no definition of the gizmo's and rubbish. As for paying more: Leica M10, no video, not even any ports. As thin again as its film predecessors.

 

[NottsPhoto]

"If you ditch all the gimmicks and rubbish that most will never use"

this statement is beyond stupid.

Why people post this stuff? Neither fuji will produce such camera, not making it produce any specific savings over existing model?

How did you reach the conclusion that not having video recording would make ANY savings? Do you think fuji needs to write codecs and menus for every camera separately?

Producing yet another cameras and cannibalizing demand for x-t2 or x-t20 is supposed to save costs? If anything, it will increase costs. Plus any mechanical changes is where cost are loaded - like iso dial (WHY iso dial would be so important? use exposure compensation and auto iso in M mode)

Or maybe by writing that you don't want touchscreen and video you now "true and only" photographer?

If you don't want video - don't use it. Don't use flash. Don't use touch screen.

If you want it cheaper - waht a year or so, but used or buy previous model.

And if you think that fuji is adding rubish and gimmick which most buyers will never use - why are you interested in buying gear from such stupid company?

Fuji if you are listening, can you build me this camera....

A weather sealed XT 10/20 type size body with the same specs as the new xt-20 but without...

* Video recording....really not bothered.

* No internal flash....not bothered either.

- No touch screen...not important.

- I want an ISO dial on the top.

- A very simple menu interface.

- A bkt function that allows you to record a picture in all film simulation modes/custom settings.

If you ditch all the gimmicks and rubbish that most will never use the camera will be cheaper to produce and I guess most will spend the cash they have saved on extra lenses.

Good idea ?

You have missed the point of the thread. Bless.

Lets take a different analogy.

Ski companies bring out 'new' skis every year. Thinner, fatter, longer, smaller, and this that and the other. Every year there are new types of skis invented that ski manufacturers claim will make you a better skier. LOL

Now, my OH can ski. Boy she can ski well. But her skis were made in the 80's and have no value. They are those little thin skis which I guess 99% of todays skiing population would just fall over very quickly when trying them on.

She skis in jeans. She won't fall over and can make ski instructors look like idiots.

Digital cameras are becoming likes skis......a marketing con.

well, you may consider it a marketing con... but in reality, it's the wide appeal of the product which allows the economies of scale which drives down prices.

so the idea that reducing features would reduce price, is not actually true. Niche products th appeal to small markets inevitably have far lower demand and thus higher indviduals unit costs of production.

It also needs to be realised that features are not just about satisfying users NEEDS... it's also a out fullfilling aspirations as well.. (especially so in the camera industry...) so a user may have no need for a feature... or ever use it....but his dreams are being fullfilled by its inclusion...

the proof of the concept of less features not reducing cost is not hard to find. leica. the less stuff goes on their cameras... the more they charge.

as for the skiing analogy. how much did your missus pay for her skis 20 years ago... and how much do skiis coat now?

i suspect in real terms far less..

--
www.pageonephotography.co.uk
Striving hard to be the man that my dog thinks I am.

 

[Touraine]

"If you ditch all the gimmicks and rubbish that most will never use"

this statement is beyond stupid.

Why people post this stuff? Neither fuji will produce such camera, not making it produce any specific savings over existing model?

How did you reach the conclusion that not having video recording would make ANY savings? Do you think fuji needs to write codecs and menus for every camera separately?

Producing yet another cameras and cannibalizing demand for x-t2 or x-t20 is supposed to save costs? If anything, it will increase costs. Plus any mechanical changes is where cost are loaded - like iso dial (WHY iso dial would be so important? use exposure compensation and auto iso in M mode)

Or maybe by writing that you don't want touchscreen and video you now "true and only" photographer?

If you don't want video - don't use it. Don't use flash. Don't use touch screen.

If you want it cheaper - waht a year or so, but used or buy previous model.

And if you think that fuji is adding rubish and gimmick which most buyers will never use - why are you interested in buying gear from such stupid company?

Fuji if you are listening, can you build me this camera....

A weather sealed XT 10/20 type size body with the same specs as the new xt-20 but without...

* Video recording....really not bothered.

* No internal flash....not bothered either.

- No touch screen...not important.

- I want an ISO dial on the top.

- A very simple menu interface.

- A bkt function that allows you to record a picture in all film simulation modes/custom settings.

If you ditch all the gimmicks and rubbish that most will never use the camera will be cheaper to produce and I guess most will spend the cash they have saved on extra lenses.

Good idea ?

You have missed the point of the thread. Bless.

Lets take a different analogy.

Ski companies bring out 'new' skis every year. Thinner, fatter, longer, smaller, and this that and the other. Every year there are new types of skis invented that ski manufacturers claim will make you a better skier. LOL

Now, my OH can ski. Boy she can ski well. But her skis were made in the 80's and have no value. They are those little thin skis which I guess 99% of todays skiing population would just fall over very quickly when trying them on.

She skis in jeans. She won't fall over and can make ski instructors look like idiots.

Digital cameras are becoming likes skis......a marketing con.

as for the skiing analogy. how much did your missus pay for her skis 20 years ago... and how much do skiis coat now?

i suspect in real terms far less..

--
www.pageonephotography.co.uk
Striving hard to be the man that my dog thinks I am.

The skis where handed down to her by her mum.

Do you see the point I am trying to make ?

 

[NottsPhoto]

"If you ditch all the gimmicks and rubbish that most will never use"

this statement is beyond stupid.

Why people post this stuff? Neither fuji will produce such camera, not making it produce any specific savings over existing model?

How did you reach the conclusion that not having video recording would make ANY savings? Do you think fuji needs to write codecs and menus for every camera separately?

Producing yet another cameras and cannibalizing demand for x-t2 or x-t20 is supposed to save costs? If anything, it will increase costs. Plus any mechanical changes is where cost are loaded - like iso dial (WHY iso dial would be so important? use exposure compensation and auto iso in M mode)

Or maybe by writing that you don't want touchscreen and video you now "true and only" photographer?

If you don't want video - don't use it. Don't use flash. Don't use touch screen.

If you want it cheaper - waht a year or so, but used or buy previous model.

And if you think that fuji is adding rubish and gimmick which most buyers will never use - why are you interested in buying gear from such stupid company?

Fuji if you are listening, can you build me this camera....

A weather sealed XT 10/20 type size body with the same specs as the new xt-20 but without...

* Video recording....really not bothered.

* No internal flash....not bothered either.

- No touch screen...not important.

- I want an ISO dial on the top.

- A very simple menu interface.

- A bkt function that allows you to record a picture in all film simulation modes/custom settings.

If you ditch all the gimmicks and rubbish that most will never use the camera will be cheaper to produce and I guess most will spend the cash they have saved on extra lenses.

Good idea ?

You have missed the point of the thread. Bless.

Lets take a different analogy.

Ski companies bring out 'new' skis every year. Thinner, fatter, longer, smaller, and this that and the other. Every year there are new types of skis invented that ski manufacturers claim will make you a better skier. LOL

Now, my OH can ski. Boy she can ski well. But her skis were made in the 80's and have no value. They are those little thin skis which I guess 99% of todays skiing population would just fall over very quickly when trying them on.

She skis in jeans. She won't fall over and can make ski instructors look like idiots.

Digital cameras are becoming likes skis......a marketing con.

as for the skiing analogy. how much did your missus pay for her skis 20 years ago... and how much do skiis coat now?

i suspect in real terms far less..

 

[robert1955]

"If you ditch all the gimmicks and rubbish that most will never use"

this statement is beyond stupid.

Why people post this stuff? Neither fuji will produce such camera, not making it produce any specific savings over existing model?

How did you reach the conclusion that not having video recording would make ANY savings? Do you think fuji needs to write codecs and menus for every camera separately?

Producing yet another cameras and cannibalizing demand for x-t2 or x-t20 is supposed to save costs? If anything, it will increase costs. Plus any mechanical changes is where cost are loaded - like iso dial (WHY iso dial would be so important? use exposure compensation and auto iso in M mode)

Or maybe by writing that you don't want touchscreen and video you now "true and only" photographer?

If you don't want video - don't use it. Don't use flash. Don't use touch screen.

If you want it cheaper - waht a year or so, but used or buy previous model.

And if you think that fuji is adding rubish and gimmick which most buyers will never use - why are you interested in buying gear from such stupid company?

Fuji if you are listening, can you build me this camera....

A weather sealed XT 10/20 type size body with the same specs as the new xt-20 but without...

* Video recording....really not bothered.

* No internal flash....not bothered either.

- No touch screen...not important.

- I want an ISO dial on the top.

- A very simple menu interface.

- A bkt function that allows you to record a picture in all film simulation modes/custom settings.

If you ditch all the gimmicks and rubbish that most will never use the camera will be cheaper to produce and I guess most will spend the cash they have saved on extra lenses.

Good idea ?

You have missed the point of the thread. Bless.

Lets take a different analogy.

Ski companies bring out 'new' skis every year. Thinner, fatter, longer, smaller, and this that and the other. Every year there are new types of skis invented that ski manufacturers claim will make you a better skier. LOL

Now, my OH can ski. Boy she can ski well. But her skis were made in the 80's and have no value. They are those little thin skis which I guess 99% of todays skiing population would just fall over very quickly when trying them on.

She skis in jeans. She won't fall over and can make ski instructors look like idiots.

Digital cameras are becoming likes skis......a marketing con.

as for the skiing analogy. how much did your missus pay for her skis 20 years ago... and how much do skiis coat now?

i suspect in real terms far less..

--
www.pageonephotography.co.uk
Striving hard to be the man that my dog thinks I am.

The skis where handed down to her by her mum.

Do you see the point I am trying to make ?

But if a ski breaks, would she:

- stop skiing

- try to find an identical replacement (new, not 2d hand)

- try a modern replacement and enjoy it for the next 10 years?

 

[Touraine]

"If you ditch all the gimmicks and rubbish that most will never use"

this statement is beyond stupid.

Why people post this stuff? Neither fuji will produce such camera, not making it produce any specific savings over existing model?

How did you reach the conclusion that not having video recording would make ANY savings? Do you think fuji needs to write codecs and menus for every camera separately?

Producing yet another cameras and cannibalizing demand for x-t2 or x-t20 is supposed to save costs? If anything, it will increase costs. Plus any mechanical changes is where cost are loaded - like iso dial (WHY iso dial would be so important? use exposure compensation and auto iso in M mode)

Or maybe by writing that you don't want touchscreen and video you now "true and only" photographer?

If you don't want video - don't use it. Don't use flash. Don't use touch screen.

If you want it cheaper - waht a year or so, but used or buy previous model.

And if you think that fuji is adding rubish and gimmick which most buyers will never use - why are you interested in buying gear from such stupid company?

Fuji if you are listening, can you build me this camera....

A weather sealed XT 10/20 type size body with the same specs as the new xt-20 but without...

* Video recording....really not bothered.

* No internal flash....not bothered either.

- No touch screen...not important.

- I want an ISO dial on the top.

- A very simple menu interface.

- A bkt function that allows you to record a picture in all film simulation modes/custom settings.

If you ditch all the gimmicks and rubbish that most will never use the camera will be cheaper to produce and I guess most will spend the cash they have saved on extra lenses.

Good idea ?

You have missed the point of the thread. Bless.

Lets take a different analogy.

Ski companies bring out 'new' skis every year. Thinner, fatter, longer, smaller, and this that and the other. Every year there are new types of skis invented that ski manufacturers claim will make you a better skier. LOL

Now, my OH can ski. Boy she can ski well. But her skis were made in the 80's and have no value. They are those little thin skis which I guess 99% of todays skiing population would just fall over very quickly when trying them on.

She skis in jeans. She won't fall over and can make ski instructors look like idiots.

Digital cameras are becoming likes skis......a marketing con.

as for the skiing analogy. how much did your missus pay for her skis 20 years ago... and how much do skiis coat now?

i suspect in real terms far less..

 

[Touraine]

"If you ditch all the gimmicks and rubbish that most will never use"

this statement is beyond stupid.

Why people post this stuff? Neither fuji will produce such camera, not making it produce any specific savings over existing model?

How did you reach the conclusion that not having video recording would make ANY savings? Do you think fuji needs to write codecs and menus for every camera separately?

Producing yet another cameras and cannibalizing demand for x-t2 or x-t20 is supposed to save costs? If anything, it will increase costs. Plus any mechanical changes is where cost are loaded - like iso dial (WHY iso dial would be so important? use exposure compensation and auto iso in M mode)

Or maybe by writing that you don't want touchscreen and video you now "true and only" photographer?

If you don't want video - don't use it. Don't use flash. Don't use touch screen.

If you want it cheaper - waht a year or so, but used or buy previous model.

And if you think that fuji is adding rubish and gimmick which most buyers will never use - why are you interested in buying gear from such stupid company?

Fuji if you are listening, can you build me this camera....

A weather sealed XT 10/20 type size body with the same specs as the new xt-20 but without...

* Video recording....really not bothered.

* No internal flash....not bothered either.

- No touch screen...not important.

- I want an ISO dial on the top.

- A very simple menu interface.

- A bkt function that allows you to record a picture in all film simulation modes/custom settings.

If you ditch all the gimmicks and rubbish that most will never use the camera will be cheaper to produce and I guess most will spend the cash they have saved on extra lenses.

Good idea ?

You have missed the point of the thread. Bless.

Lets take a different analogy.

Ski companies bring out 'new' skis every year. Thinner, fatter, longer, smaller, and this that and the other. Every year there are new types of skis invented that ski manufacturers claim will make you a better skier. LOL

Now, my OH can ski. Boy she can ski well. But her skis were made in the 80's and have no value. They are those little thin skis which I guess 99% of todays skiing population would just fall over very quickly when trying them on.

She skis in jeans. She won't fall over and can make ski instructors look like idiots.

Digital cameras are becoming likes skis......a marketing con.

as for the skiing analogy. how much did your missus pay for her skis 20 years ago... and how much do skiis coat now?

i suspect in real terms far less..

--
www.pageonephotography.co.uk
Striving hard to be the man that my dog thinks I am.

The skis where handed down to her by her mum.

Do you see the point I am trying to make ?

But if a ski breaks, would she:

- stop skiing

- try to find an identical replacement (new, not 2d hand)

- try a modern replacement and enjoy it for the next 10 years?

Very difficult to break a ski.

Stolen maybe, but who is going to steal a pair of 1980's skis that don't have WIFi connectivity liked to your Iphone through a prepaid app that tells basically that you are a muppet.

 

[NottsPhoto]

"If you ditch all the gimmicks and rubbish that most will never use"

this statement is beyond stupid.

Why people post this stuff? Neither fuji will produce such camera, not making it produce any specific savings over existing model?

How did you reach the conclusion that not having video recording would make ANY savings? Do you think fuji needs to write codecs and menus for every camera separately?

Producing yet another cameras and cannibalizing demand for x-t2 or x-t20 is supposed to save costs? If anything, it will increase costs. Plus any mechanical changes is where cost are loaded - like iso dial (WHY iso dial would be so important? use exposure compensation and auto iso in M mode)

Or maybe by writing that you don't want touchscreen and video you now "true and only" photographer?

If you don't want video - don't use it. Don't use flash. Don't use touch screen.

If you want it cheaper - waht a year or so, but used or buy previous model.

And if you think that fuji is adding rubish and gimmick which most buyers will never use - why are you interested in buying gear from such stupid company?

Fuji if you are listening, can you build me this camera....

A weather sealed XT 10/20 type size body with the same specs as the new xt-20 but without...

* Video recording....really not bothered.

* No internal flash....not bothered either.

- No touch screen...not important.

- I want an ISO dial on the top.

- A very simple menu interface.

- A bkt function that allows you to record a picture in all film simulation modes/custom settings.

If you ditch all the gimmicks and rubbish that most will never use the camera will be cheaper to produce and I guess most will spend the cash they have saved on extra lenses.

Good idea ?

You have missed the point of the thread. Bless.

Lets take a different analogy.

Ski companies bring out 'new' skis every year. Thinner, fatter, longer, smaller, and this that and the other. Every year there are new types of skis invented that ski manufacturers claim will make you a better skier. LOL

Now, my OH can ski. Boy she can ski well. But her skis were made in the 80's and have no value. They are those little thin skis which I guess 99% of todays skiing population would just fall over very quickly when trying them on.

She skis in jeans. She won't fall over and can make ski instructors look like idiots.

Digital cameras are becoming likes skis......a marketing con.

as for the skiing analogy. how much did your missus pay for her skis 20 years ago... and how much do skiis coat now?

i suspect in real terms far less..

 

[Big Swifty]

@ robert1955

In terms of my Saab 900, I think you will find it is quite safe. Have a look on you tube.

Not that safe
The Saab 900 achieved a two-star front- and side-impact rating. The passenger compartment became structurally unstable and screen pillar movement was excessive following the frontal-impact test. Meanwhile, in the side-impact test, chest protection was assessed as poor. Furthermore, the presence of stiff structures in the area likely to be struck by the driver's knees during a frontal impact presented a significant risk of injury to his knees, thighs and pelvis.

Having said that, if you crashed into it with your 'modern' car you would not be feeling to well afterwards to be fair. LOl. Your car would disintegrate whilst you are being suffocated by an airbag.

That is an urban myth. BTW the test above was for a 1997 model which has front airbags

Dirty and efficient its not, and much much less of a threat to the planet than some muppet who feels the need to change their car every year.

Hardly anyone does that nowadays. And talking about muppets ....

Bit like digital cameras. Don't tell me Fuji has not already designed the XT 30 or the XT 40 for that matter.

With a model update every two-three years they may be thinking about it. But that does not mean you have to buy every refresh

They already know what they are going to put in it

I don't expect they do. They'll have a direction in mind (what marketing thinks can sell and engineering thinks they will be able to make, both at price point involved)

and tempt you to spend some more cash on something you don't need.

There is a good thread going about coping with GAS [not that you seem to suffer from it]

We will soon reach a point in time when a manufacturer will go back to basics.

You still have not defined what are basics.

Fuji did it with the design (all retro looking) but have since jumped right back on the bandwagon. Hopefully, they might wake up before the others get in before them.

Cameras are becoming too complicated with tech that 'some' (like me) don't need or want. There is a market for more simple cameras.

You keep saying that, but the fact that no camera company goes for it shpws otherwise

I see records (anyone remember them) have become more popular than digital music downloads. Imagine that.

Well, the actual news item was about outselling in pounds, not in numbers

Now, you will probably do some more selective quoting, I'm only interested in what you would consider basic features, and a realistic price point for that wish camera

Ok, Ok , Ok

0.54 into the video. Actually just watch the video. That is a photographers car.

P.S I am happy to pay more for a stripped down XT-whatever without the gizmos. It is cheaper than buying a new camera every year. LOL.

This is one of the dumber threads I've read.

I get the idea, being a bit of a "purist" myself who's not overly impressed by gimmicky features, etc.. But as previously mentioned, where does one draw the line? Why aren't you just shooting film if you're such a purist bothered by features?

One of the reasons I went with Fuji was for the simplicity of their menu system. Once set up I rarely need to go into menus at all. Things most accessed by me in the menu are part of my Q menu?

Photoshop has a ton of features I never use, but I'm sure others do. I don't see how having features I'll never likely use interferes with my picture taking experience. If you don't like a feature, don't use it, turn it off.

Bracketed with 6 film simulations is the most gimmicky gimmick I've heard suggested. Far from purity. Just what I need; my memory card filling up that much faster and 6x the number of photos to sort through. No thanks. But I wouldn't complain about it. I just wouldn't use the feature if Fuji decided to include it.

Now you say "I am happy to pay more for a stripped down..." yet in your OP you talk about less features being less expensive. Why are you shooting Fuji anyway? Why not find the camera you like? A Leica with less features has been mentioned as something that might be more to your liking. Why not make yourself happy and pay more since you say you'd be willing?

I understand (somewhat) the business of camera manufacturers. It would seem to make business sense to sell fewer models that are feature heavy and allow consumers to choose what features to use and which to ignore. More so than build a wider product line.

Over the years I've found features that I didn't think I'd ever use suddenly in use and features I'd used in the past no longer being used. I now use auto-ISO for street photography as it's saved many shots from being too blurry. Since I've switched to shooting just RAF 99% of the time as opposed to RAW+FINE, I no longer bother with film simulations and some of the other, uh, gimmicky jpeg settings. Those unused features still being there don't bother me at all.

 

[walie007]

@ robert1955

In terms of my Saab 900, I think you will find it is quite safe. Have a look on you tube.

Not that safe
The Saab 900 achieved a two-star front- and side-impact rating. The passenger compartment became structurally unstable and screen pillar movement was excessive following the frontal-impact test. Meanwhile, in the side-impact test, chest protection was assessed as poor. Furthermore, the presence of stiff structures in the area likely to be struck by the driver's knees during a frontal impact presented a significant risk of injury to his knees, thighs and pelvis.

Having said that, if you crashed into it with your 'modern' car you would not be feeling to well afterwards to be fair. LOl. Your car would disintegrate whilst you are being suffocated by an airbag.

That is an urban myth. BTW the test above was for a 1997 model which has front airbags

Dirty and efficient its not, and much much less of a threat to the planet than some muppet who feels the need to change their car every year.

Hardly anyone does that nowadays. And talking about muppets ....

Bit like digital cameras. Don't tell me Fuji has not already designed the XT 30 or the XT 40 for that matter.

With a model update every two-three years they may be thinking about it. But that does not mean you have to buy every refresh

They already know what they are going to put in it

I don't expect they do. They'll have a direction in mind (what marketing thinks can sell and engineering thinks they will be able to make, both at price point involved)

and tempt you to spend some more cash on something you don't need.

There is a good thread going about coping with GAS [not that you seem to suffer from it]

We will soon reach a point in time when a manufacturer will go back to basics.

You still have not defined what are basics.

Fuji did it with the design (all retro looking) but have since jumped right back on the bandwagon. Hopefully, they might wake up before the others get in before them.

Cameras are becoming too complicated with tech that 'some' (like me) don't need or want. There is a market for more simple cameras.

You keep saying that, but the fact that no camera company goes for it shpws otherwise

I see records (anyone remember them) have become more popular than digital music downloads. Imagine that.

Well, the actual news item was about outselling in pounds, not in numbers

Now, you will probably do some more selective quoting, I'm only interested in what you would consider basic features, and a realistic price point for that wish camera

Ok, Ok , Ok

0.54 into the video. Actually just watch the video. That is a photographers car.

P.S I am happy to pay more for a stripped down XT-whatever without the gizmos. It is cheaper than buying a new camera every year. LOL.

I believe the camera you're looking for is not a Fuji, its a Leica

The Leica M-D

I believe this is the perfect camera for you.