Adobe Lightroom - RAW+JPG management

[ruicarv79]

Hi guys,

With my newly acquired X-Pro2 I would like to take advantage of the beatiful JPG files but also keep the respective RAW for the future (you never know) and make some tuning in some very rare cases.

Do you know a easy way to import both RAW and JPGs and then may be able to switch between both of them inside Lightroom?

My idea is to deal with JPG files the majority of the time and do minor adjustments. If I have a case where the file is too off what I want, I would like to access the raw quickly and adjust.

Finally, I would like to keep both JPG and RAW files in my hard drive.

Do you know a way to do that quickly inside Lightroom?

Best regards,

Rui

 

[Shawn67]

This setting will show both the JPG and RAW file as different files.



Shawn

 

[Iamos]

I'm in a similar boat and am interested to hear what others are doing. My method is to import both the jpg and raw files as separate images so they are not linked in LR in any way. In the catalog view, you will see duplicate images side-by-side and organize into collections as you see fit.

 

[ruicarv79]

This setting will show both the JPG and RAW file as different files.

Shawn

Thank you Shawn, I already know that. I should've mentioned that before.

My problem is that, if I tick that option, I end up with duplicated photos (raw and jpg) and that is unmanageable for me. I would like to have the option of seeing only RAW or only JPG and may be able to switch between them.

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https://www.flickr.com/photos/13676400@N06/

 

[ruicarv79]

I'm in a similar boat and am interested to hear what others are doing. My method is to import both the jpg and raw files as separate images so they are not linked in LR in any way. In the catalog view, you will see duplicate images side-by-side and organize into collections as you see fit.

That is right. It is quite unmanageable, that is why I would like to know if there is a way to only see JPG/ only see RAW and be able to switch between them.

 

[Howard Moftich]

I'd think that putting the JPGs and RAFs in separate folders during import (necessitating 2 import steps) might be the win or if you dump them all into 1 folder, see if you can filter on name/type in the Grid view.

 

[Shawn67]

This setting will show both the JPG and RAW file as different files.

Shawn

Thank you Shawn, I already know that. I should've mentioned that before.

My problem is that, if I tick that option, I end up with duplicated photos (raw and jpg) and that is unmanageable for me. I would like to have the option of seeing only RAW or only JPG and may be able to switch between them.

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https://www.flickr.com/photos/13676400@N06/

Lightroom doesn't make this easy. After you import as separate files you can use the auto stack by capture time. But I think that will stack the RAW file first so that you would need to dig a bit to get at the JPEG.



The other option is when you have them side by side just filter the entire view by JPG and that will essentially hide the RAW files.



If you are really going to rarely use the RAWs the other option is to just import the JPGs and keep the RAW files in a storage directory somewhere. If you have the JPG name it would be easy to grab the RAW file if desired.



Shawn

 

[ruicarv79]

This setting will show both the JPG and RAW file as different files.

Shawn

Thank you Shawn, I already know that. I should've mentioned that before.

My problem is that, if I tick that option, I end up with duplicated photos (raw and jpg) and that is unmanageable for me. I would like to have the option of seeing only RAW or only JPG and may be able to switch between them.

--
https://www.flickr.com/photos/13676400@N06/

Lightroom doesn't make this easy. After you import as separate files you can use the auto stack by capture time. But I think that will stack the RAW file first so that you would need to dig a bit to get at the JPEG.

The other option is when you have them side by side just filter the entire view by JPG and that will essentially hide the RAW files.

If you are really going to rarely use the RAWs the other option is to just import the JPGs and keep the RAW files in a storage directory somewhere. If you have the JPG name it would be easy to grab the RAW file if desired.

Shawn

I don't know how to filter just the JPGs.

I also would like to avoid the bold part of your sentence. It's too much work if your are importing hundreds of photos. You see, in the end, after selecting the photos I want to keep, I would like to keep both JPG and RAWs. All other photos are to be erased.

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https://www.flickr.com/photos/13676400@N06/

 

[ruicarv79]

I'd think that putting the JPGs and RAFs in separate folders during import (necessitating 2 import steps) might be the win or if you dump them all into 1 folder, see if you can filter on name/type in the Grid view.

 

[Shawn67]

I also would like to avoid the bold part of your sentence. It's too much work if your are importing hundreds of photos. You see, in the end, after selecting the photos I want to keep, I would like to keep both JPG and RAWs. All other photos are to be erased.

This is easy, don't cull your photos in Lightroom. Use Fast Raw Viewer instead.

FastRawViewer

We needed it. We made it. We share it.

www.fastrawviewer.com

It displays Fuji RAW *much* faster than Lightroom can. If you shoot Raw+Jpg it only displays one file but if you mark it for deletion it will delete both.

After you cull the files decide how you want to keep the remaining shots.


Shawn

 

[Shawn67]

One way....



Shawn

 

[Cadder]

One way....

Shawn

Oh! That's neat. Thank you.

Cadder

 

[JacquesC]

No, I cannot find a way to filter only JPG or only RAW.

 

[Shawn67]

No problem. You can also do it in the metadata field. Either add another search column or change one of the existing columns to "File Type" and you can sort of RAW of JPEG or whatever other types you have in the folder you are looking at.







Shawn

 

[stevo23]

No, I cannot find a way to filter only JPG or only RAW.

 

[MrsPatty2013]

I don't know how to filter just the JPGs.

I also would like to avoid the bold part of your sentence. It's too much work if your are importing hundreds of photos. You see, in the end, after selecting the photos I want to keep, I would like to keep both JPG and RAWs. All other photos are to be erased.

 

[rh22]

I do this as you suggest ..... Auto Stack by Capture Time with a time between stacks of zero. I then put whichever I use (jpeg or raw) to the front of the stack. Collapse stacks then you have only the "master file" of the stack showing.

 

[Ambulater]

This is one thing that Apple's Aperture did MUCH better than LR. Aperture automatically stacked the JPEG and RAW file together, only showed you one thumbnail on top, and easily let you switch between either.

I have tried both of the options available in LR. Importing linked JPEG & RAW isn't very helpful because only the RAW file is available and it's not quick or easy to get to the JPEG file. Importing as separate files creates kind of a sprawling mess and makes culling more work.

So here's what I finally settled on:

1) I shoot RAW + JPEG for the benefits you get by having JPEG turned on during shooting (such as greater zooming when chimping, being able to shoot in B&W, etc).

2) I often/usually shoot as if I'm shooting for JPEG, trying to get everything right in camera as opposed to trying to get the perfect RAW file. I'm usually less interested in ETTR as I am in shooting something that looks a lot like the final product I'm going for (more on why later).

3) Import as separate files into LR

4) Apply a Fuji film simulation by default at import.

5) Before culling, sort by JPEG only and just delete all the JPEGs at once.

6) Work with RAW only.

Why am I foregoing one of the biggest perceived benefits of the Fuji system (the greatJPEG colors and tones) in favor of RAW only? Really two reasons. Unlike some, I kind of like to PP and mess with my photos and like the added lattitude RAW gives me. But just as importantly, in my humble opinion, the LR Fuji film simulations are now so good that most of the time I really can't hardly tell the JPEG from the RAW if I import with a Fuji film simulation.

So, if I shoot as if I am shooting for JPEG and then import the RAWs with a Fuji film simulation applied, I may not hardly need to do anything else at all to some photos. It's almost as good as just getting a SOOC JPEG, but with the option of pushing it further when necessary.

Now, there are definitely times when I shoot with a very flat profile for RAW only and ETTR. I tend to do this most in extremely high DR situations where I know I want to do a lot of tone mapping later. Those RAWs will not look good coming out of the camera and will necessitate more work. But for a lot of more basic stuff, I just shoot as if I'm shooting for JPEG and then use the RAW with a film simulation applied and little to no other editing. Works a lot of the time and still has great Fuji colors in my opinion (at least close enough).

 

[Julia Borg]

I shoot in both, trying to get it as right as I can in camera.

you can't get both right in the camera because raw and jpg need different exposure. for an optimally exposed jpg raw is underexposed.

 

[ruicarv79]

I also would like to avoid the bold part of your sentence. It's too much work if your are importing hundreds of photos. You see, in the end, after selecting the photos I want to keep, I would like to keep both JPG and RAWs. All other photos are to be erased.

This is easy, don't cull your photos in Lightroom. Use Fast Raw Viewer instead.

http://www.fastrawviewer.com/

It displays Fuji RAW *much* faster than Lightroom can. If you shoot Raw+Jpg it only displays one file but if you mark it for deletion it will delete both.

After you cull the files decide how you want to keep the remaining shots.

Shawn

Thanks Shawn. I didn't know that software. I'm reluctant to use another software for my workflow but I might give it a try. Thank you again.