Opinions on new 70-200 f2.8E

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It's as if it was made for the D5 from the get go. It isn't just that it's probably the sharpest zoom lens made, outdid the Sigma 120-300mm Sport on my test chart, but the way it handles the harder shots is uncanny. The new E makes photos that the last generation 70-200 had you spot adjusting in Lightroom for highlights, shadows and brightness darn near where you want them right out of the camera. It takes that D5 look and makes it even more solid and professional. Now when you sync 50 photos in Lightroom the fine tune requires fewer and smaller slider adjustments. It's like I got a new camera. OK it doesn't increase the MPs like many of us would like. But the crops do look more D5 like. It seems like I gained a half stop of ISO.

Guess I'm suppose to say that this upgrade is worth it if you're a working pro. But in my opinion that just isn't so. This upgrade is worth it for anyone that can afford it. Like Casey's old Mets this thing is just amazing.

And I guess I'm also suppose to tell you that the new zoom placement is fine. Well if you shoot fast, like with sports, it ain't. If you're use to resting the foot comfortably balanced right under the zoom ring in the palm of your hand it's not going to happen anymore. You'll now have to have the edge of the foot a good bit further back in your palm so you can reach the zoom and have the D5 body want to push down and point the lens up. Relearning the placement becomes a real pain when switching from landscape to portrait hold. This will cost missed shots till you get use to it. Unlike both of the Sigma Sports the foot on the E does not completely cover the focus ring and it is too easy to grab it instead of the zoom ring when in a hurry. I keep a rubber band on the zoom ring and feel for that to help. Of course this can all be mute if you don't use the foot to support the lens.

All the reviews say the VR3 is faster at acquiring focus. That's probably so. Not so much because I noticed the couple hundreds of a second difference. But because there were a good number less missed shots on the XQD card. Matter of fact the focusing while shooting felt so on and confidence building that I was able to change shutter speeds on the fly and actually remembered right away to switch it back for the action.

So does what is probably the finest zoom lens ever made get a 4 1/2 star rating because of the silly zoom ring. Naw, let's go with a 4 7/8 because that zoom ring placement will be a lot easier to get use to than the backwards zoom rotation of the Sigma Sports.

If you're like I was and are holding out for a Sigma 70-200 Sport to match your other sports lenses. Give it up. It's hard to believe Sigma will be able to match this kind of overall performance.




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I have had mine for just over a week now, very pleased with the results.

These were both handheld and the first one is with the TC1.4 III.













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Have had mine for a week now and I am very happy with it. It is a beautiful lens to use. I am coming to Nikon from Canon and I am so pleased with my D810, 24-120, 70-200 and 200-500. Next lens might be the 14-24.
 
I have had mine for just over a week now, very pleased with the results.

These were both handheld and the first one is with the TC1.4 III.



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Impressive at 1/80s and at f7.1! I shoot at lot of concerts for work and wouldn't dare use such settings with my current 70-200 f2.8, I guess most would use 1/160-1/200, f2.8-f3.2, iso 1600-2000 . Of course with VR doesn't freeze motion, so you did well to avoid motion blur.
 
I have had mine for just over a week now, very pleased with the results.

These were both handheld and the first one is with the TC1.4 III.



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Matthew
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D800, 85 1.4, 50 1.4, 17-55 2.8 , 70 - 200 f2.8e FL, SB800
Impressive at 1/80s and at f7.1! I shoot at lot of concerts for work and wouldn't dare use such settings with my current 70-200 f2.8, I guess most would use 1/160-1/200, f2.8-f3.2, iso 1600-2000 . Of course with VR doesn't freeze motion, so you did well to avoid motion blur.
I played around with the 70-200E at Best Buy while Xmas shopping. I was able to get sharp images at 200/2.8 at 1/8s. I also didn't hear the VR like I do on the VRII, but BB at Christmas isn't exactly quiet so...
 
Thanks...

Here is from last night - 1/80, F4, ISO 1600.

 
It's as if it was made for the D5 from the get go. It isn't just that it's probably the sharpest zoom lens made, outdid the Sigma 120-300mm Sport on my test chart, but the way it handles the harder shots is uncanny. The new E makes photos that the last generation 70-200 had you spot adjusting in Lightroom for highlights, shadows and brightness darn near where you want them right out of the camera. It takes that D5 look and makes it even more solid and professional. Now when you sync 50 photos in Lightroom the fine tune requires fewer and smaller slider adjustments. It's like I got a new camera. OK it doesn't increase the MPs like many of us would like. But the crops do look more D5 like. It seems like I gained a half stop of ISO.

Guess I'm suppose to say that this upgrade is worth it if you're a working pro. But in my opinion that just isn't so. This upgrade is worth it for anyone that can afford it. Like Casey's old Mets this thing is just amazing.

And I guess I'm also suppose to tell you that the new zoom placement is fine. Well if you shoot fast, like with sports, it ain't. If you're use to resting the foot comfortably balanced right under the zoom ring in the palm of your hand it's not going to happen anymore. You'll now have to have the edge of the foot a good bit further back in your palm so you can reach the zoom and have the D5 body want to push down and point the lens up. Relearning the placement becomes a real pain when switching from landscape to portrait hold. This will cost missed shots till you get use to it. Unlike both of the Sigma Sports the foot on the E does not completely cover the focus ring and it is too easy to grab it instead of the zoom ring when in a hurry. I keep a rubber band on the zoom ring and feel for that to help. Of course this can all be mute if you don't use the foot to support the lens.

All the reviews say the VR3 is faster at acquiring focus. That's probably so. Not so much because I noticed the couple hundreds of a second difference. But because there were a good number less missed shots on the XQD card. Matter of fact the focusing while shooting felt so on and confidence building that I was able to change shutter speeds on the fly and actually remembered right away to switch it back for the action.

So does what is probably the finest zoom lens ever made get a 4 1/2 star rating because of the silly zoom ring. Naw, let's go with a 4 7/8 because that zoom ring placement will be a lot easier to get use to than the backwards zoom rotation of the Sigma Sports.

If you're like I was and are holding out for a Sigma 70-200 Sport to match your other sports lenses. Give it up. It's hard to believe Sigma will be able to match this kind of overall performance.


That's a lighted Scorers Table


Over half on image was cropped away.


Even the Pep Band is playing its praises.
Gotta agree Bill,

Just picked up mine here in Switzerland and absolutely loving the lightening quick AF, contrast and bokeh (on my D5/D500) compared to my G lens, which was no slouch anyway. The best bonus for me was taking advantage of a 10% Digitec discount voucher and $100 rebate put this lens at CHF2410 (US$2450) which eased the hip pocket somewhat.

I should have little problem selling my 70-200 G for around US$1500, leaving the change over at a little over $900. ;-)

Cheers

Marc

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It's as if it was made for the D5 from the get go. It isn't just that it's probably the sharpest zoom lens made, outdid the Sigma 120-300mm Sport on my test chart, but the way it handles the harder shots is uncanny. The new E makes photos that the last generation 70-200 had you spot adjusting in Lightroom for highlights, shadows and brightness darn near where you want them right out of the camera. It takes that D5 look and makes it even more solid and professional. Now when you sync 50 photos in Lightroom the fine tune requires fewer and smaller slider adjustments. It's like I got a new camera. OK it doesn't increase the MPs like many of us would like. But the crops do look more D5 like. It seems like I gained a half stop of ISO.

Guess I'm suppose to say that this upgrade is worth it if you're a working pro. But in my opinion that just isn't so. This upgrade is worth it for anyone that can afford it. Like Casey's old Mets this thing is just amazing.

And I guess I'm also suppose to tell you that the new zoom placement is fine. Well if you shoot fast, like with sports, it ain't. If you're use to resting the foot comfortably balanced right under the zoom ring in the palm of your hand it's not going to happen anymore. You'll now have to have the edge of the foot a good bit further back in your palm so you can reach the zoom and have the D5 body want to push down and point the lens up. Relearning the placement becomes a real pain when switching from landscape to portrait hold. This will cost missed shots till you get use to it. Unlike both of the Sigma Sports the foot on the E does not completely cover the focus ring and it is too easy to grab it instead of the zoom ring when in a hurry. I keep a rubber band on the zoom ring and feel for that to help. Of course this can all be mute if you don't use the foot to support the lens.

All the reviews say the VR3 is faster at acquiring focus. That's probably so. Not so much because I noticed the couple hundreds of a second difference. But because there were a good number less missed shots on the XQD card. Matter of fact the focusing while shooting felt so on and confidence building that I was able to change shutter speeds on the fly and actually remembered right away to switch it back for the action.

So does what is probably the finest zoom lens ever made get a 4 1/2 star rating because of the silly zoom ring. Naw, let's go with a 4 7/8 because that zoom ring placement will be a lot easier to get use to than the backwards zoom rotation of the Sigma Sports.

If you're like I was and are holding out for a Sigma 70-200 Sport to match your other sports lenses. Give it up. It's hard to believe Sigma will be able to match this kind of overall performance.


That's a lighted Scorers Table


Over half on image was cropped away.


Even the Pep Band is playing its praises.
Great review, thanks for this. I sold my 70-200mm VRII because I wanted to get this one, but then I realized that I mostly use prime for my portraits and I have the Tamron 90mm Macro VC, 105mm Nikon 1.4E and the 200mm f/2G VRII. So I decided to wait and find out if I really needed one, and now I'm tempted again.

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Bill, you and I have a darn close camera (D5/D500) and lens line-up --- and I have been looking at the new 70-200 2.8, as a potential upgrade from my VR1, which is more than a decade old. It still does a superb job outdoors but struggles in a few basketball gyms where I shoot and it takes 7,500 ISO to get me into the 1/640/800 range.

I use my D5 with a 85MM 1.8 for near court ... it's supreme combo. Output is sharp as a knife. I switch to the D500/70-200 combo when the action moves mid-court The output is uncomfortably noisy -- not unusable but a startling contrast to the D5/85 1.8 combo.

Curious to hear if you have tried the D500/new 70-200E combo in your gym and how it worked in the light you are operating in. If it works well I may do the upgrade -- I have been looking for a reason to do so but balking a bit because of the zoom room. Thanks for letting me know!
 
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Great review, thanks for this. I sold my 70-200mm VRII because I wanted to get this one, but then I realized that I mostly use prime for my portraits and I have the Tamron 90mm Macro VC, 105mm Nikon 1.4E and the 200mm f/2G VRII. So I decided to wait and find out if I really needed one, and now I'm tempted again.

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Thank you for the compliment Manzur.

While I haven't tried the VR3 against the 400mm VR, 85mm 1.8g or the 135 Rokinon from what I hear I doubt the new 70-200mm will be as sharp as any of those 3 primes. Maybe the Tamron at a distance. My 180mm Sigma macro isn't as sharp as the new E at 20 feet. Not sure how close I'd have to be for the Sigma to beat it. Guess it all comes down to how many specialized tools a person can afford.
 
ZurichPhoto said:
Bill, you and I have a darn close camera (D5/D500) and lens line-up --- and I have been looking at the new 70-200 2.8, as a potential upgrade from my VR1, which is more than a decade old. It still does a superb job outdoors but struggles in a few basketball gyms where I shoot and it takes 7,500 ISO to get me into the 1/640/800 range.

I use my D5 with a 85MM 1.8 for near court ... it's supreme combo. Output is sharp as a knife. I switch to the D500/70-200 combo when the action moves mid-court The output is uncomfortably noisy -- not unusable but a startling contrast to the D5/85 1.8 combo.

Curious to hear if you have tried the D500/new 70-200E combo in your gym and how it worked in the light you are operating in. If it works well I may do the upgrade -- I have been looking for a reason to do so but balking a bit because of the zoom room. Thanks for letting me know!
Hey ZurichPhoto, Have not as yet tried the new 70-200mm with the D500. Christmas break and the games are few. Only shot a boys and girls high school games at a gym where I'd set the ISO around 9000 to shoot at 1/1000 if I wasn't using auto ISO. Tonight there's a womens college game in a ISO 6400 gym.

I don't like moving around with 2 kits. When using 2 one will get stashed out of the way usually just for foul shots. Tried the D500 with the Rokinon last mens college game in a ISO 6400 gym, at f2 and by the second half it wasn't so bad getting focus. Found if you set it for one player, you just need to lean the monopod forward or back a little to get anyone. Probably should tape the focus in place like with covering all those lens switches so it doesn't get moved.

Maybe after a few more games I'll give the D500 and new 70-200 a try. Don't mind using the D500 instead of the D5 for daylight stuff. But find it hard to leave the D5 behind when I know the ISOs will be above 1000 or so.

Funny thing is I'd probably use the opposite combo as you and have the 85mm at 1.8 on the D500 and the old 70-200 on the D5. You must value quality more than me. While I chase after more quantity good enoughs for the viewers. Thanks that'll give me something to think on.

I'll tell you what. That zoom ring is really ticking me off just playing with it at home. A lot more than it did at the last 2 games. It'll be interesting to see how it works tonight.

Tried a 3rd party foot on the new 70-200 trying to find something more comfortable. The old VR2 feet clip in and tighten up fine even though the new 70-200 is a little different on the collar and the old feet don't make as pretty of a fit. Edit: Change all this. The Kiwi doesn't tighten up fully. But alas the KIWI photo one I have isn't much longer and feels even less comfortable. Pretty sure once the action starts though my mind will be elsewhere. Just can't see any advantage to the new ring arrangement unless you're a manual focus guy.


Easy to miss by a little. But I bet his mom has it on the frig anyway.

 
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I own both the Sigma and the Tamron 70-200mm lenses. I've received quite a few comments over the fact that I own both, but not the Nikon version.

I've always felt that the Sigma & Tamron versions were nearly identical to the Nikon. However, the Canon 70-200mm was always in a different league.

This new 70-200mm lens from Nikon FINALLY gives Nikon a competitive lens.
 
Funny thing is I'd probably use the opposite combo as you and have the 85mm at 1.8 on the D500 and the old 70-200 on the D5. You must value quality more than me. While I chase after more quantity good enoughs for the viewers. Thanks that'll give me something to think on.

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Thanks! Great input. Indeed I tried the D5, 70-200 and D500/85 combos -- like you I think that is great in theory but the VR1 just doesn't focus as quickly enough in low light. I miss more than I should with a D5.

I know the VR 3 is great. But I tell ya, if you ever get a chance to use that 85MM 1.8/D5 in low light, it's just amazing for $400. I was using the 70-200 exclusively last year and I think my quality of my short game improve dramatically. Best improvement I've seen from a lens under $1,000. Great coverage over 3/4 of the near court and a wonder by basket. You just can's miss.

Thanks again. I'll let you know how it goes.
 
Shot with the 70-200E in another gym last night. The place is always rather difficult. The lighting sources, overhead and to the sides, seem to be forever in the way. Mix in the blue shooting lanes and advertisements, wide red trim and icons, a very reflective main court that reflects its colors and worst of all 2 long, as in near half the court long, and very bright scorer's tables on each side and it is hard to get a shot that doesn't confound Nikon's matrix and is free from blown highlights. While this college gym is near a stop better than most other sports houses. It's probably because the floor is so reflective and the light from the bright scorer's tables.

The new lens handled this place's lighting not much different than the VR2 does. A real PITA. But of the 1010 photos taken very few where out of focus. Really starting to notice how fast this lens grabs focus. Nikon is well on the way to making the act of focusing optional. Tonight I hope to try something other than Group focusing and get a reminder of how bad my pointing accuracy is. My best seasonal trap average was only 23 and I was horrible at sporting clays.

The sharpness difference didn't seem as dramatic as at the home high school gym. But it is enough to keep me from feeling I need to bring along another high res kit just for foul shots. This time dealing with the difficult lighting had my brain so occupied that I forgot for a good while to reset the shutter speed after lowering it for some foul shots. Been trying to get in the habit of switching the release to single whenever I switch the shutter speed. But there were too many things on my mind with the new lens's first try at this gym to remember that.

The zoom ring was only a problem when switching grips for a foul portrait shot. There once again habit had me turning the zoom ring. The rubber band on the zoom ring did help a lot. Noticed no trouble when fast switching to portrait without changing grips. Like with a lone breakaway or up close where 70mm is too long in landscape to cover what you want to get. This was just a single women's game. But I doubt the stock foot will be noticeably uncomfortable if used for any back to back games.

Back to the home high school gym tonight for a boys game. Hopefully tomorrow it'll be away as our NCAA Div2 #18 nationally ranked and undefeated home men travel only a little over 100 miles to the #13 ranked team's gym. Been there a couple times before. But remember little about it. Tip to the wise, especially younger wise, keep notes. There's a swim meet next week with a basketball game right down the hall 2 1/2 hours latter that'll give this new lens a real workout. Think it's time to sell the VR2.









 
theraven871 wrote:.

I've always felt that the Sigma & Tamron versions were nearly identical to the Nikon. However, the Canon 70-200mm was always in a different league.

This new 70-200mm lens from Nikon FINALLY gives Nikon a competitive lens.
I've found the Sigma version was definitely inferior. Haven't used the Tamron but everyone that uses it seems to think it's on par with the previous Nikon version. I don't think anybody considered the previous version "not competitive" as it was the standard for Nikon mount...especially wide open. Focus breathing is just Internet fodder as the Tamron was just slightly ahead at minimum focus distance and the same at infinity, with Sigma also focus breathing. I would consider the Tamron version competitive to the Nikon, Sigma not. Nikon really doesn't compete with the Canon version unless someone was basing their system decision purely on the 70-200 2.8.
 
Thanks. That downcourt with the D5/70-200E is about as sharp as anyone can really hope for. Nice work!

My issue continues to the light in many of the local gyms will have me 9,000 ISO with a 2.8 - and at that distance even on a D5, it's kind of futile. The nice thing is I typically have full court access at the local HSs and colleges. So I'll zoom with my feet and change positions more frequently to compensate. I know this isn't always possible at D1 schools -- but it's the photo god's way of balancing things out; bad light/good access.
 
I just received mine today, and I love it so far. It is incredibly sharp! Here is a photo where I was just playing around with the lens tonight.





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