The X70

Rod McD

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Hi,

While most of the attention is focused on the X Pro 2, I though I'd start a thread to discuss the X70.

It's a very svelte fixed 28mm camera that is smaller than the XA/XM options, mostly by virtue of its fixed compact lens, most of which is inside the body.

I'm not sure who the X70 is aimed at with a 28mm lens. Street shooters seem to like the concept. If the reported weight of 113g is correct, which I doubt, I could also see the camera being great for hiking, climbing and cycling, or in a small neat waterproof housing for kayaking, snorkeling etc. But let's see the IQ first.

It has competition. Apart from the Ricoh GR and Coolpix A, high-end large-sensor compacts like the LX100 and the Canon G1X II are more versatile because they have a zoom and might just approach it in IQ for web and moderate print size uses. You can get an LX 100 for a lot less than an X70 + OVF and it comes with a built-in EVF and a similar control set. Here in Australia at launch, the X70 is exactly twice the price of an XA 2 with a 16-50 zoom. It's new and a different concept, I know, but one gets some sense of the relativities.

To me, the X70 loses marks for its add-on OVF. It's expensive (making the X70 USD $1K in total and AUD $1250 here at launch) and it seems to me to make the camera taller than it would have been if they'd simply increased the body size a little to build an EVF in. They can easily get lost or left at home and they block the flash shoe in use. And if you don't buy one, you finish up composing at arms length like a P&S. Bad idea.

I'll see what it's like on review. If the lens is a stunner, it might be interesting, and more so to me if someone offers a small waterproof housing like the polycarbonate ones for compacts. It might be a sealed APSC option that actually fits in a life jacket.

Cheers, Rod
 
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Add the wide-angle converter and you get a 14mm lens! So maybe also good for landscape? I wonder if that combination would be as good (better?!) than the XF 14mm lens...
 
Interesting to me: I was not going to be a buyer for this as I'm just not much good with a '28mm only' camera. Now I read where it digitally converts to 35 and 50 focal lengths as well. IF that works really well, I shall be very interested. 200 bucks for a hot shoe bright line finder, not so much . . . . .
 
Add the wide-angle converter and you get a 14mm lens! So maybe also good for landscape? I wonder if that combination would be as good (better?!) than the XF 14mm lens...
 
Interesting to me: I was not going to be a buyer for this as I'm just not much good with a '28mm only' camera. Now I read where it digitally converts to 35 and 50 focal lengths as well. IF that works really well, I shall be very interested. 200 bucks for a hot shoe bright line finder, not so much . . . . .
My guess is that the bright line finder is probably a simple optical bright line finder, and one would have to be very sure which level of digital zoom is set in the camera when using it. It may be that the digital conversion can be restored to the full WA FOV in-camera - but maybe not....... Happy to be wrong.

Regards, Rod
 
I would have loved this camera had they included just a simple optical finder. Nothing fancy, non of that hybrid nonsense, just something to use to save battery and put you eye up to if the glare is too bad on the screen.

I used the heck out of my old Canon compact elf w/e the heck it was called with it's little optical viewfinder. It was the whole reason I bought it over another compact. Having a pocketable x trans with even a simple finder would have been a no-brainer for me.

The added cost/awkwardness of the accessory finder causes it to lose it's appeal, IMO. My GX1 EVF/finder never gets used because of the bulk and risk of it getting ripped off/snagged. They are just impractical.

Oh well. Fingers crossed that the X-T2 will blow my skirt up in a fashion this latest wave of releases has failed to. :D
 
For me, it all comes down to the touch screen focusing speed and accuracy for me. If it's as good as Oly's, then I'll give it a hard look. I only wish they'd figured out a way to have a built in/ retractable lens cap/hood.
 
The X70 is another X-Trans II clone with the same processor as all the other current X-cams. I see no reason why the sensor IQ and processing will be different than what we are used to.

The big variable is the lens. The GR's lens is stellar from corner to corner, even wide open. It's as least as sharp and contrasty as any of my 3 Fuji prime's and receives rave reviews from all the major test sites. The Fuji 18mm prime is not the star of the Fuji prime line-up, but maybe they'll do a better job in the X70 version. But the GR already does that in a smaller more customizable body that can easily be operated with one hand.

I wish Fuji had been more innovative and offered a FL that wasn't already available in a compact camera.

IMO, the GR is certainly the best compact to work in concert with my X-E2. It's Bayer CFA is a nice crisp alternative for landscapes, and the control ergonomics are wonderful. There's no advantage to sticking with a Fuji compact since fixed lens cameras are not part of a "system" other than maybe the batteries.

It will be interesting to see how Fuji's new 18mm prime looks.

Sal
 
To me, the X70 loses marks for its add-on OVF. It's expensive (making the X70 USD $1K in total and AUD $1250 here at launch) and it seems to me to make the camera taller than it would have been if they'd simply increased the body size a little to build an EVF in. They can easily get lost or left at home and they block the flash shoe in use. And if you don't buy one, you finish up composing at arms length like a P&S. Bad idea.
There are some optical OVF's for similar models. like this one


They share the same layout and focal length. So why not use that to our advantage
 
To me, the X70 loses marks for its add-on OVF. It's expensive (making the X70 USD $1K in total and AUD $1250 here at launch) and it seems to me to make the camera taller than it would have been if they'd simply increased the body size a little to build an EVF in. They can easily get lost or left at home and they block the flash shoe in use. And if you don't buy one, you finish up composing at arms length like a P&S. Bad idea.
There are some optical OVF's for similar models. like this one

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/761037-REG/Ricoh_172780_GV_1_External_Viewfinder.html

They share the same layout and focal length. So why not use that to our advantage
As this OVF works was 21mm too(14mm on apsc) you also use it with the UW converter
 
I'm very interested in the x70 as a BIG reason I love Fuji cameras is their SMALL bodies.

I think the xf18 is a bit underrated, I suspect there were some bad copies floating around for a while. If the x70's lens is a winner like I assume it will be - then I'll give it a hard look.

My current rig is an x-e1 w/ pancake combo - and I take out the 35mm 1.4 when I'm working with a little less light or really want to throw that background into a creamy blur. I'll wait for some reviews by the usual sources and some trusted members on the sight to decide if the x70 is worth changing to.

If I can keep the same image quality of my x-e1 but gain Wifi and a tilt screen - it might get me. I would have liked some weather sealing though - as I use my cameras for documenting my travels and hiking etc.
 
I'm very interested in the x70 as a BIG reason I love Fuji cameras is their SMALL bodies.

I think the xf18 is a bit underrated, I suspect there were some bad copies floating around for a while. If the x70's lens is a winner like I assume it will be - then I'll give it a hard look.

My current rig is an x-e1 w/ pancake combo - and I take out the 35mm 1.4 when I'm working with a little less light or really want to throw that background into a creamy blur. I'll wait for some reviews by the usual sources and some trusted members on the sight to decide if the x70 is worth changing to.

If I can keep the same image quality of my x-e1
It has the same sensor found in the XE-2, XT-1, XT-10. So unless the lens is a dog which is highly unlikely it will have more or less the same image quality. It will be faster in operation then the Xe-1 and by a fair margin too.(PDAF with latest firmware)
but gain Wifi and a tilt screen - it might get me.

I would have liked some weather sealing though - as I use my cameras for documenting my travels and hiking etc.
Then get a XT-10 and use your existing lenses. or the XT-1 for the weathersealing. Unless you really dig those small dimensions.
 
I'm very interested in the x70 as a BIG reason I love Fuji cameras is their SMALL bodies.

I think the xf18 is a bit underrated, I suspect there were some bad copies floating around for a while. If the x70's lens is a winner like I assume it will be - then I'll give it a hard look.

My current rig is an x-e1 w/ pancake combo - and I take out the 35mm 1.4 when I'm working with a little less light or really want to throw that background into a creamy blur. I'll wait for some reviews by the usual sources and some trusted members on the sight to decide if the x70 is worth changing to.

If I can keep the same image quality of my x-e1
It has the same sensor found in the XE-2, XT-1, XT-10. So unless the lens is a dog which is highly unlikely it will have more or less the same image quality. It will be faster in operation then the Xe-1 and by a fair margin too.(PDAF with latest firmware)
but gain Wifi and a tilt screen - it might get me.

I would have liked some weather sealing though - as I use my cameras for documenting my travels and hiking etc.
Then get a XT-10 and use your existing lenses. or the XT-1 for the weathersealing. Unless you really dig those small dimensions.
I really dig those small dimensions. For example - I painstakingly debated the X-E1 + pancake vs the X100s before settling on the x-e1. Weather sealing isn't a deal-breaker but a "would have been nice" feature. Ah well - theres no perfect camera - right?

I love the form factor of the xt-10 - it was the first camera Fuji has put out since the x-e1 that really got me to say "hmmm.. maybe its time to "upgrade".

Also, when you say "faster in operation" does that translate to faster AF as well - or are you strictly referring to responsiveness of the buttons/screen/file writing etc?
 
I think this camera looks very useful. I love Fuji ergonomics and dials. I think the touchscreen will be very useful in a camera like this. I ordered one even though my GR might get jealous.
 
Two more quick thoughts...

- Given the minimum focusing distance and tilt screen - this camera figures to be pretty handy with basic macro shots, no? Little mushrooms and flowers and slow bugs?

- Is there definitely going to be a wide angle converter lens for this? I do like to take pictures of night skies and big landscapes on my travels...
 
I really dig those small dimensions. For example - I painstakingly debated the X-E1 + pancake vs the X100s before settling on the x-e1. Weather sealing isn't a deal-breaker but a "would have been nice" feature. Ah well - theres no perfect camera - right?

I love the form factor of the xt-10 - it was the first camera Fuji has put out since the x-e1 that really got me to say "hmmm.. maybe its time to "upgrade".

Also, when you say "faster in operation" does that translate to faster AF as well - or are you strictly referring to responsiveness of the buttons/screen/file writing etc?
Strictly in AF performance. The main difference is the phase detect points on the sensor and various firmware updates improving the capability of the hardware in place. Think about continuous tracking, EYE detect, Faster AF in general.

Don't think any difference in menu speed as even the XE-1 is fine in that aspect.

File writing is dependent on the SD-card and the interface of the writer. Don't know any specifics here.
 
Two more quick thoughts...

- Given the minimum focusing distance and tilt screen - this camera figures to be pretty handy with basic macro shots, no? Little mushrooms and flowers and slow bugs?

- Is there definitely going to be a wide angle converter lens for this? I do like to take pictures of night skies and big landscapes on my travels...
Yes 14mm or 21mm FF equiv.

WCL-X70 so far i have only seen something in japanese(which i can't read that well) And it wasn't cheap arround $350,- equiv.
 
I really dig those small dimensions. For example - I painstakingly debated the X-E1 + pancake vs the X100s before settling on the x-e1. Weather sealing isn't a deal-breaker but a "would have been nice" feature. Ah well - theres no perfect camera - right?

I love the form factor of the xt-10 - it was the first camera Fuji has put out since the x-e1 that really got me to say "hmmm.. maybe its time to "upgrade".

Also, when you say "faster in operation" does that translate to faster AF as well - or are you strictly referring to responsiveness of the buttons/screen/file writing etc?
Strictly in AF performance. The main difference is the phase detect points on the sensor and various firmware updates improving the capability of the hardware in place. Think about continuous tracking, EYE detect, Faster AF in general.

Don't think any difference in menu speed as even the XE-1 is fine in that aspect.

File writing is dependent on the SD-card and the interface of the writer. Don't know any specifics here.
Okay, AF was my main concern anyway - its the only thing about my x-e1 that sometimes frustrates me. Thank you for your insights!
 
I really dig those small dimensions. For example - I painstakingly debated the X-E1 + pancake vs the X100s before settling on the x-e1. Weather sealing isn't a deal-breaker but a "would have been nice" feature. Ah well - theres no perfect camera - right?

I love the form factor of the xt-10 - it was the first camera Fuji has put out since the x-e1 that really got me to say "hmmm.. maybe its time to "upgrade".

Also, when you say "faster in operation" does that translate to faster AF as well - or are you strictly referring to responsiveness of the buttons/screen/file writing etc?
Strictly in AF performance. The main difference is the phase detect points on the sensor and various firmware updates improving the capability of the hardware in place. Think about continuous tracking, EYE detect, Faster AF in general.

Don't think any difference in menu speed as even the XE-1 is fine in that aspect.

File writing is dependent on the SD-card and the interface of the writer. Don't know any specifics here.
Okay, AF was my main concern anyway - its the only thing about my x-e1 that sometimes frustrates me. Thank you for your insights!
But that being said you can find the same benefits in getting an XE-2 with the upcoming firmware next month. the "new" Xe-2s or the XT-10.

It's just that this compact uses the parts Fujifilm developed for their mirrorless camera's that simply improved upon the model you currently have.
 

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