You have a point about 12mp vs 24/36mp gear, the latter being more challenging to the lens. I think most people who pixels peeped with 12mp are now disappointed in what they see and the the most they do is look at it on a small monitor or post a small image here.
I agree!

You know this better than anybody else in light of the slight blurriness (motion-induced) of your D810/150-600 pics.
I just printed this photo below on a 20x30 canvas using a D80 and it looks sharp!! Here is the photo. Do you remember how many MP a D80 is?

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Nice one. Looks pretty sharp!
 
I have reposted a couple as 100% crops. I find between lightroom converting to jpg and the smugmug compression and then the dpreview compression it can be tough to get a real judge compared to the raw, (D300s file too, I feel this lens will shine on a d7200)

Towhee at 700mm f8

http://www.raincoastphoto.com/Recen...hots/i-KggjN9z/0/X3/Clarke_151029_6004-X3.jpg

Golden Crowned Sparrow 500mm 5.6

http://www.raincoastphoto.com/Recen...hots/i-dx5VVH8/0/X3/Clarke_151030_6661-X3.jpg

Bewicks wren 500mm 5.6 1/25s

http://www.raincoastphoto.com/Recen...hots/i-ndNbSXH/0/X3/Clarke_151028_5656-X3.jpg

American dipper 500 5.6 1/50s

http://www.raincoastphoto.com/Recen...hots/i-d5BT9kS/0/X3/Clarke_151021_0190-X3.jpg
 
I have reposted a couple as 100% crops. I find between lightroom converting to jpg and the smugmug compression and then the dpreview compression it can be tough to get a real judge compared to the raw, (D300s file too, I feel this lens will shine on a d7200)

Towhee at 700mm f8

http://www.raincoastphoto.com/Recen...hots/i-KggjN9z/0/X3/Clarke_151029_6004-X3.jpg

Golden Crowned Sparrow 500mm 5.6

http://www.raincoastphoto.com/Recen...hots/i-dx5VVH8/0/X3/Clarke_151030_6661-X3.jpg

Bewicks wren 500mm 5.6 1/25s

http://www.raincoastphoto.com/Recen...hots/i-ndNbSXH/0/X3/Clarke_151028_5656-X3.jpg

American dipper 500 5.6 1/50s

http://www.raincoastphoto.com/Recen...hots/i-d5BT9kS/0/X3/Clarke_151021_0190-X3.jpg
 
After taking some 10,000 plus photos over the last few weeks I have put together a couple of galleries showcasing this lens for birds in flight http://www.raincoastphoto.com/Recent-Photos/Nikon-200-500mm-In-Flights/ , (a number of the in-flight shots also have the tc atttchaed)with the 1.4 tc http://www.raincoastphoto.com/Recent-Photos/Nikon-200-500mm-plus-14Tc/ , and for all around wildlife photography http://www.raincoastphoto.com/Recent-Photos/200-500-Test-Shots/ . I have read how this lens can't do this or that, is too slow, doesn't work with a TC or in low light, sure it has its limitations, but its also not $10,000, and many of these comments are based solely on the specs or one day of usage, some also are about ridiculous expectations shooting birds in flight in the dark at 51,200 iso. I live in the rainforest on Vancouver Island so I get lowlight, and if you are a competent photographer this lens is more then up to the task. I find the AF is comparable to my 300mm f4 afs at 500mm. It is very good at picking up birds against a mountain backdrop even with fall colours making the background a little busy. The tc definitely can make the af hunt but using a D300s at F8 kind of expect it to, but i still get great shots using it. All around fantastic lens for the money.

My favourite in-flight shot so far

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Favourite shot with the 1.4 tc attached at 700mm

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One of my favourite lens at 500mm shots

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Nice shots, It is a great lens, one thing I have noticed is that the posted photos sometime don't look as nice as the same ones on the web site.

The newer Nikon lenses (and others) seem to be a lot better than some of the (expensive) older primes, I know mine is.

Just ignore the haters.
 
Thanks Bob,

I've also noticed that the dpreview viewer doesn't do a great job, if you click the original size below the photo it is generally better or as you said best is going to the actual website and viewing there.
 
Looks great! Exactly what I was looking for. Thank you for this report and the many uploads!

After taking some 10,000 plus photos over the last few weeks I have put together a couple of galleries showcasing this lens for birds in flight http://www.raincoastphoto.com/Recent-Photos/Nikon-200-500mm-In-Flights/ , (a number of the in-flight shots also have the tc atttchaed)with the 1.4 tc http://www.raincoastphoto.com/Recent-Photos/Nikon-200-500mm-plus-14Tc/ , and for all around wildlife photography http://www.raincoastphoto.com/Recent-Photos/200-500-Test-Shots/ . I have read how this lens can't do this or that, is too slow, doesn't work with a TC or in low light, sure it has its limitations, but its also not $10,000, and many of these comments are based solely on the specs or one day of usage, some also are about ridiculous expectations shooting birds in flight in the dark at 51,200 iso. I live in the rainforest on Vancouver Island so I get lowlight, and if you are a competent photographer this lens is more then up to the task. I find the AF is comparable to my 300mm f4 afs at 500mm. It is very good at picking up birds against a mountain backdrop even with fall colours making the background a little busy. The tc definitely can make the af hunt but using a D300s at F8 kind of expect it to, but i still get great shots using it. All around fantastic lens for the money.

My favourite in-flight shot so far

Clarke_151102_8389-X2.jpg


Favourite shot with the 1.4 tc attached at 700mm

Clarke_151103_9251-X2.jpg


One of my favourite lens at 500mm shots

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Thank you for taking the time to post all the images that you did using the lens with your D300s. They are a great deal more useful than the static shots usually providing for a "test" of a lens or a camera.

From my own testing I think that the results you got with the DX D300s camera will be above average. I got better results with a D7200 than a D750 in my tests in low light or with a teleconverter and they demonstrated the problems with the Nikon autofocus system first provided in the D3 camera. The DX cameras have the same AF sensor layout as the FX cameras but the sensors are much closer together and this improves the performance of the autofocus system logic that is trying to determine focus and adjust the focus on the fly.

Thanks again and cheers.
 
Great images.....gone thru most of your ablums

I wonder if it is not avsiable to buy both the 300 PF and this lens considering I have a monster 600VR already.
 
Great images.....gone thru most of your ablums

I wonder if it is not avsiable to buy both the 300 PF and this lens considering I have a monster 600VR already.

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Depends on what you shoot, really -- and convenience factor.

Have you considered getting a Nikon 200 f/2.0 instead of either of these lenses?
It's more money, I think?, but.... (If I navigated your online gear list correctly, and it's up-to-date, etc...)?

Not sure what a 300 PF goes for these days.

Although I will probably pick up a 200-500, I doubt I would if I didn't already have the 200 f/2. But that's just me.
 
Stusteelhead,

Thanks for a lovely report. Always good to hear from people who have actually used a product. I only tested it in a shop for 10 minutes, but it is good!

God bless,

Friedrich von Hörsten
 
Some were critical of the OP for the number of shots he took. The explanation that he and the MOD gave was good. I found another situation last night that generates a large number of images. I was taking photos of Disney's light parade at Disneyland. It was dark, the amount of light coming from the subjects was changing constantly and they were moving. Combine this with very high ISO with bracketing and with burst mode and you get hundreds of images in a few minutes. But, it appears I got what I wanted. Regards!
 
Wow, I just bought the 200-500mm, because I had to see what all the haters (who don't own this lens) are going on about... and I have to say, its really fantastic.

Personally, I would never buy a 400mm, 500mm or 600mm prime lens (not because I haven't heard that they are fantastic, but because [A.] I don't care to spend $10,000 that way because its not a proper investment for me, and [B.] I don't have as many opportunities for this lens around where I live as do some others, with their nature-filled home turfs). And yet, always wanting to try out something longer than 300mm, I have to say the 200-500mm is just wonderful.

I took about 150 shots, in half a day, so I guess I'll be at 10,000 images in about 2 months, at this pace... :-) But seriously, every shot I take with it is sharp (and even close-up with VR off). Which is odd, because I also have the 300/4VR, and that's not the case with it. For the first few shots, I thought I had VR on.. the lens is that sharp, and it works some magic. Handheld. I didn't actually believe that the weight of a lens helped stabilize it, alone, but it does in fact seem to be the case -- this lens is damn heavy!! Manageable, but damn heavy. Yet super stable. Its front-heavy (compared to any decent lens) so it constantly feels off-balance single handed, but two handed, I don't know what it is, but you get stabilized by its weight (as long as your strength holds out). The technique to use it is going to be very different than with any other lens I own (although the 70-200/2.8VRII begins to have a similar demand). This will be my only lens that gives my left arm a work out (the 70-200/2.8 comes close, but this new lens is far more challenging in that regard for any medium period of time).

Now when I turn VR on -- I am astonished! It has the best VR i have ever used... ever! And its far better than the VR on the 300/4VR. Which, again, confuses me. My 300/4VR has very good VR. In fact, its really good. But the 200-500VR is utter perfection and I'm convinced they are using advanced super prime tele technology in the lens for VR. I got one from the latest shipments, no firmware update needed. And all I can say is -- WOW. AMAZING VR. I don't know what is the difference between this, and the Sigma and the Tamron, but, hey man, where the 300VR could use some help here or there, I could not ask for better VR than what this lens has, that's how impressed I am with this lens.

I have a very severe criticism of this lens though.

And its not a small one.

This lens focuses slow as mud. Slow as a snail. Its absolutely HORRIBLE at AF focusing. And I think for 50% of the purchasing community, this could be a very serious, upsetting setback for an otherwise amazing lens. I think Nikon cannot be excused for having such horrible AF in this lens. They need to get a damn firmware update to speed it by 50%, because this is a sad performance. Sad, sad, sad, and slightly shameful, I think. This AF does NOT belong under the Nikon brand, and Nikon tarnished itself by putting it in this lens. Anyone who is getting perfect focus with this lens during action -- you have to appreciate the PHOTOGRAPHER, not the lens, because Nikon did everything they could to stop you and cripple you, with this AF. Nikon just can't stop CRIPPLING their own gear, can they? Its unbelievable, because I easily would have paid $2,000 if this lens was just 50% faster, in AF. Oh well. End of complaints. Because that truly is the only one. This lens is sharp, its incredibly stable. I would gladly pay Nikon $500, right now, to upgrade its AF module to something speedier. Why don't they offer a lens dock, yet, so we can adjust focus speed ourselves?? I don't understand, at all, why Nikon made this one so slow. Do they think its a studio, prime lens, or something?? I think the 85/1.4G has faster AF! Pathetic.

I also don't know why Nikon skipped on the coatings & ED glass. This lens could use a pinch of both. Was this their way of forcing people to buy their new 95mm Circl Pol filter with Nikon coatings on it??? I hope not. Because that is a dirty trick if so. I feel this was a dirty marketing trick by Nikon, and therefore I will not be buying their Circular Polarizer, and will instead go with another brand. Advice to Nikon: next time put your anti-glare etc, coatings on your LENS, Nikon; if you put it on your filters, then it belongs on the lens! Stop being cheap, Nikon! On the other hand, I guess this lens wouldn't be a "sensation" if it was over $1,500, so maybe Nikon is smart, and I'm just greedy. After a sharper Circular Polarizer with nice coatings, that's what this lens costs, $1,500 (since your 77mm filters won't fit the 95mm thread, which is to be expected, adding another expense).

I don't consider this a complaint, but it is something to consider: 200-500 feels like a very, very narrow bandwidth of focal lengths for the weight. I can't explain it, but I'm pretty sure that you could basically be just as happy with the 300/4VR + 1.7 TC (on sale right now). My guess is that I'm probably going to "repurpose" this lens and put a 1.4 x TC on the 200-500/5.6 and pretty much leave it there, using it on sunny days, with a coated high transmission circular polarizer (so now we're at $2,000). But the 300/4VR will be what stays in my bag and go with me everywhere; and for those with less of a budget, a 150-600, will probably feel just as good.

Another note for those not totally experienced, but reading: f/4 is dark-ish. f/5.6 is DARK. You know this from your cheaper & ultra-zoom lenses, but somehow never quite feel comfortable with it on your "nice" lenses. Anyway, that's not a complaint, just a reality.

You won't need an extra super long backback, this isn't "exotic" big. Its borderline. So a normal, big backpack should be totally fine. You don't need anything special; but its also going to be that much more harder to fit than a 70-200/2.8. No chance for this one to fit into anything that isn't extra roomy, because its also much fatter than most lenses (as a 95mm thread, instead of say a 62mm or 77mm), and will extend out more than the average backpack padded "column" meaning that it will squeeze your other gear space. Your 77mms probably won't fit next to it in a "normal" backpack, even if the length is fine, unless its a LARGE (wide) backback.

I can't get over how sharp it is. At 500mm/5.6, its sharp. I wish it had some more/any ED lens or corrections or coatings in it. I can tell this is not an exotic lens. But it is a fantastic lens for sub-$1500. Anyway, if people feel pretty much the same way about the Tamron 150-600, or Sigma 150-600, I would say go ahead and try them out and buy those lenses -- theyre either going to be significantly (35%) cheaper, or theyre going to be just as good (the Sport) if gigantic. 200-500 feels very, very restrictive. I think you really, truly need to know what you are going to use this lens for or its going to sit around quite a bit.

You're going to have to go out there and chase Nature. But man, this is a good lens. This lens screams to be put in a backpack with a 14-24, and a 50mm. Or maybe a 105/2.8 VR Macro for when light gets low, and a 1.4xTC for fun. This lens is so big, you're going to look like a total weirdo in public -- so you basically want to take it out for scenic views on cool crisp clean air days, or to look at animals, bird watch, photograph surfer and any predictable motion sports (the VR will keep up, but the AF will fail you unless you manually take over), those kinds of things.

Somebody point me to the nearest nature park... :-)

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Wow, I just bought the 200-500mm, because I had to see what all the haters (who don't own this lens) are going on about... and I have to say, its really fantastic.
So it's fantastic but you have the worse opinion of the AF that I've seen????

"This lens focuses slow as mud. Slow as a snail. Its absolutely HORRIBLE at AF focusing. And I think for 50% of the purchasing community, this could be a very serious, upsetting setback for an otherwise amazing lens. I think Nikon cannot be excused for having such horrible AF in this lens."

What do you do - focus manually??
Personally, I would never buy a 400mm, 500mm or 600mm prime lens (not because I haven't heard that they are fantastic, but because [A.] I don't care to spend $10,000 that way because its not a proper investment for me, and [B.] I don't have as many opportunities for this lens around where I live as do some others, with their nature-filled home turfs). And yet, always wanting to try out something longer than 300mm, I have to say the 200-500mm is just wonderful.

I took about 150 shots, in half a day, so I guess I'll be at 10,000 images in about 2 months, at this pace... :-) But seriously, every shot I take with it is sharp (and even close-up with VR off). Which is odd, because I also have the 300/4VR, and that's not the case with it. For the first few shots, I thought I had VR on.. the lens is that sharp, and it works some magic. Handheld. I didn't actually believe that the weight of a lens helped stabilize it, alone, but it does in fact seem to be the case -- this lens is damn heavy!! Manageable, but damn heavy. Yet super stable. Its front-heavy (compared to any decent lens) so it constantly feels off-balance single handed, but two handed, I don't know what it is, but you get stabilized by its weight (as long as your strength holds out). The technique to use it is going to be very different than with any other lens I own (although the 70-200/2.8VRII begins to have a similar demand). This will be my only lens that gives my left arm a work out (the 70-200/2.8 comes close, but this new lens is far more challenging in that regard for any medium period of time).

Now when I turn VR on -- I am astonished! It has the best VR i have ever used... ever! And its far better than the VR on the 300/4VR. Which, again, confuses me. My 300/4VR has very good VR. In fact, its really good. But the 200-500VR is utter perfection and I'm convinced they are using advanced super prime tele technology in the lens for VR. I got one from the latest shipments, no firmware update needed. And all I can say is -- WOW. AMAZING VR. I don't know what is the difference between this, and the Sigma and the Tamron, but, hey man, where the 300VR could use some help here or there, I could not ask for better VR than what this lens has, that's how impressed I am with this lens.

I have a very severe criticism of this lens though.

And its not a small one.

This lens focuses slow as mud. Slow as a snail. Its absolutely HORRIBLE at AF focusing. And I think for 50% of the purchasing community, this could be a very serious, upsetting setback for an otherwise amazing lens. I think Nikon cannot be excused for having such horrible AF in this lens.
It probably depends on what body you had it hooked to, as well as the light you were focusing in. I found the lens focused very well even in poor light when coupled to the D4. It focused not so good in poor light hooked to the 810 and slightly less when hooked to the 750, but that was when shooting BIF. On static subjects it certainly was adequate on both 750 and 810, for a $1400 telephoto zoom. An f5.6 zoom. But I do think my old Sigma 150-500 focused better. So you are not totally wrong by any means, but I don't see how you get to a "fantastic" rating if it didn't focus for you.
They need to get a damn firmware update to speed it by 50%, because this is a sad performance. Sad, sad, sad, and slightly shameful, I think. This AF does NOT belong under the Nikon brand, and Nikon tarnished itself by putting it in this lens. Anyone who is getting perfect focus with this lens during action -- you have to appreciate the PHOTOGRAPHER, not the lens, because Nikon did everything they could to stop you and cripple you, with this AF. Nikon just can't stop CRIPPLING their own gear, can they? Its unbelievable, because I easily would have paid $2,000 if this lens was just 50% faster, in AF. Oh well. End of complaints. Because that truly is the only one. This lens is sharp, its incredibly stable. I would gladly pay Nikon $500, right now, to upgrade its AF module to something speedier. Why don't they offer a lens dock, yet, so we can adjust focus speed ourselves?? I don't understand, at all, why Nikon made this one so slow. Do they think its a studio, prime lens, or something?? I think the 85/1.4G has faster AF! Pathetic.

I also don't know why Nikon skipped on the coatings & ED glass.
Aproximately $1300 to $1400 USD telephoto zoom and you don't understand why you don't get everything?? Really??
This lens could use a pinch of both. Was this their way of forcing people to buy their new 95mm Circl Pol filter with Nikon coatings on it??? I hope not. Because that is a dirty trick if so. I feel this was a dirty marketing trick by Nikon, and therefore I will not be buying their Circular Polarizer, and will instead go with another brand. Advice to Nikon: next time put your anti-glare etc, coatings on your LENS, Nikon; if you put it on your filters, then it belongs on the lens! Stop being cheap, Nikon! On the other hand, I guess this lens wouldn't be a "sensation" if it was over $1,500, so maybe Nikon is smart, and I'm just greedy. After a sharper Circular Polarizer with nice coatings, that's what this lens costs, $1,500 (since your 77mm filters won't fit the 95mm thread, which is to be expected, adding another expense).

I don't consider this a complaint, but it is something to consider: 200-500 feels like a very, very narrow bandwidth of focal lengths for the weight.
That is not a heavy lens. You're just not used to long telephotos.
I can't explain it, but I'm pretty sure that you could basically be just as happy with the 300/4VR + 1.7 TC (on sale right now). My guess is that I'm probably going to "repurpose" this lens and put a 1.4 x TC on the 200-500/5.6 and pretty much leave it there, using it on sunny days, with a coated high transmission circular polarizer (so now we're at $2,000).
And you think the AF is horrible now. Wait until you cut the light with a TC AND a polarizer.
But the 300/4VR will be what stays in my bag and go with me everywhere; and for those with less of a budget, a 150-600, will probably feel just as good.

Another note for those not totally experienced, but reading: f/4 is dark-ish. f/5.6 is DARK. You know this from your cheaper & ultra-zoom lenses, but somehow never quite feel comfortable with it on your "nice" lenses. Anyway, that's not a complaint, just a reality.

You won't need an extra super long backback, this isn't "exotic" big. Its borderline. So a normal, big backpack should be totally fine. You don't need anything special; but its also going to be that much more harder to fit than a 70-200/2.8. No chance for this one to fit into anything that isn't extra roomy, because its also much fatter than most lenses (as a 95mm thread, instead of say a 62mm or 77mm), and will extend out more than the average backpack padded "column" meaning that it will squeeze your other gear space. Your 77mms probably won't fit next to it in a "normal" backpack, even if the length is fine, unless its a LARGE (wide) backback.

I can't get over how sharp it is. At 500mm/5.6, its sharp. I wish it had some more/any ED lens or corrections or coatings in it. I can tell this is not an exotic lens. But it is a fantastic lens for sub-$1500. Anyway, if people feel pretty much the same way about the Tamron 150-600, or Sigma 150-600, I would say go ahead and try them out and buy those lenses -- theyre either going to be significantly (35%) cheaper, or theyre going to be just as good (the Sport) if gigantic. 200-500 feels very, very restrictive. I think you really, truly need to know what you are going to use this lens for or its going to sit around quite a bit.

You're going to have to go out there and chase Nature. But man, this is a good lens. This lens screams to be put in a backpack with a 14-24, and a 50mm. Or maybe a 105/2.8 VR Macro for when light gets low, and a 1.4xTC for fun. This lens is so big, you're going to look like a total weirdo in public -- so you basically want to take it out for scenic views on cool crisp clean air days, or to look at animals, bird watch, photograph surfer and any predictable motion sports (the VR will keep up, but the AF will fail you unless you manually take over), those kinds of things.

Somebody point me to the nearest nature park... :-)
 
Hi GlobalGuy,

you really turned this thread around with one 'from the heart' post. There is no interest in bickering, but I read through the whole thread, and I share TO's initial impression. I did not see the interest in calling it out though.

The 200-500 is a good compromise. It may or may not work for a given individual. Your comment on AF is, in my opinion, the most important information for what I like to photograph... Little and distant birds in bad light. Honestly the tripod and Wimberley are my two favorite tools.

and no, to my sense, TO is not a troll. Robert, on the other hand, well, he makes for interesting reading.

Ubi
 
I have a very severe criticism of this lens though.

And its not a small one.

This lens focuses slow as mud. Slow as a snail. Its absolutely HORRIBLE at AF focusing. And I think for 50% of the purchasing community, this could be a very serious, upsetting setback for an otherwise amazing lens. I think Nikon cannot be excused for having such horrible AF in this lens. They need to get a damn firmware update to speed it by 50%, because this is a sad performance. Sad, sad, sad, and slightly shameful, I think. This AF does NOT belong under the Nikon brand, and Nikon tarnished itself by putting it in this lens. Anyone who is getting perfect focus with this lens during action -- you have to appreciate the PHOTOGRAPHER, not the lens, because Nikon did everything they could to stop you and cripple you, with this AF.
I have used this lens during safaris. The AF is nowhere that bad. For a f/5.6 lens, it is good. Things improve if you use the 6m - infinity setting. In fact, after a couple of weeks in the field, I have got over a number of misgivings. And learnt workarounds to minimize the negatives. Which lens is perfect, especially at that price point for a long zoom?

See the Fred Miranda thread for this lens to see a few lovely action/BIF shots. In the right hands this lens will be good enough. And practice makes (near) perfect.

Edit: I saw a few posts/threads about using this lens with a TC. I wouldn't use this with a TC.

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