canon 50mm 1.8 stm vs canon 50mm 1.4 USM: bokeh

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Hi,

I am making up my mind between these 2. While money wise the new 1.8 is of course more attractive, I would buy the 1.4 if it had better bokeh.

Can anyone comment on this? How does the new stm compare to the older 50mm 1.4 USM in terms of bokeh?

Thanks
 
There's a lot of videos on YouTube comparing those two lens.

I was debating between those two lens as well but ended up picking the STM and very happy with my decision.
 
It matters?

Anyway, take a look at www.photozone.de

I believe it has samples from both lenses, but I have not checked.

BAK
 
Forget the 50 1.4, it has many things wrong with it, the worst being it is fragile, very fragile.

If you do get it, never push on the front of the lens, always sit it on the camera mount end when not in use.

Suffers very bad CA between 1.4 and 2.2, but will get results that other lenses won't because it is 1.4. Poor contrast again between 1.4 and 2.2. At least on my two copies, one of which has been to Canon for repairs 5 times.
 
I would also recommend staying away from the 1.4. its so fragile it takes alot of the fun away from run-and-gun photography. You have to be extremely careful and always use the hood 24/7, which becomes a problem if you are going compact or using ND filters / polarizers.
 
really?
 
No.

Bokey does not matter.

We survived for 100 years without being neurotic about the fuzziness of the background, in tiny ways that have no real impact on the quality of the photograph.

Bokeh has a cousin -- fuzzy second eyes, caused by shooting wide open, to get one eye sharp and to make the rest of the picture inspire eye-watering when trying to see it.

It does not matter if the lights on the Christmas tree in the background behind the kid opening her present are a tiny bit more round, or a tiny bit more 8-sided.

What matters is the kid, and the present, and the joy of the holiday.

Bokey is free breadsticks.

You go to the Italian restaurant, and you order the veal and the zookini, and before the meal arrives, the waiter brings a glass with some breadsticks sticking up.

My, that's nice. But it doe not change the taste of the veal or the texture of the vegetables, or whether or not you'll come back to that restaurant.

Imagine two photos. 16 x 20. Framed. Hanging on the wall. Extended family gathered together in the home for New Year's day.

The little girl, opening her gift, is the subject of the photos, taken a week ago, on Christmas day.

One, shot af f1.8 with the one-sharp-eye and the beautiful fuzziness, including the fuzzy stuffed (toy, not real) bear and the fuzzy beautiful hair, and the wonderful round blur of tree lights shot with circular diaphragm blades. Not sure what the colored blobs are - too fuzzy to see they are part of a beautiful tree.

The other one, shot at f5.6, with a five year old lens without bokey-friendly diaphram blades. The girl, and her hair, and Winston (that's the name of the bear, named after a man in a Karsh portrait) are sharp. And you can make out some of the decorations on the tree. The tree is sharp enough that it adds a Christmas spirit to the shot.

Now, sit on a stool, clipboard on your lap.

Count the number of friends and relatives who stop at the fuzzy shot, and at the sharp shot, and count to seconds each stays with the photo.

And count how many times the girl's parents are asked for a copy of the bokey-dokey shot, and how many ask for copies of the "she sure is beautiful, isn't she?" shot.

UNKNOWN: I have no idea about your camera, and other lenses, but in the world of good photos, the 50 STM plus the 10 - 18 STM, which together cost about the same as the 50 f1.4, will give you many more good photos for the same money than you'll get buying the f1.4 based on fuzzy backgrounds.

PHOTOZONE: Notwithstanding any of the above, the f1.8 STM loses Bokeh fringing at a wider aperture than does the 50mm f1.4, according to the Photozone tests.

And to accurately compare bokeh between the two lenses, it would be necessary to make comparisons at a number of apertures, of a number of subjects, with a number of different distances.

Sort of like having salted or unsalted butter, or olive oil -Turkish, Italian, French - to go with the breadsticks.

Anyway, my take on the Photozone tests is that the STM 50 is just as good as the f1.4 in any way that matters, and costs a lot less.
 
No.

Bokey does not matter.
To you....
We survived for 100 years without being neurotic about the fuzziness of the background, in tiny ways that have no real impact on the quality of the photograph.

Bokeh has a cousin -- fuzzy second eyes, caused by shooting wide open, to get one eye sharp and to make the rest of the picture inspire eye-watering when trying to see it.
Huge exaggeration... you can blur the background AND keep both eyes in focus too.
It does not matter if the lights on the Christmas tree in the background behind the kid opening her present are a tiny bit more round, or a tiny bit more 8-sided.
to you..
What matters is the kid, and the present, and the joy of the holiday.
You could say this about EVERYTHING photographers care about. Sharpness doesn't matter, just the kid and the present and joy of the holiday, focus speed, colors, contrast etc... So should we all just use cell phones to take pictures?
Bokey is free breadsticks.

You go to the Italian restaurant, and you order the veal and the zookini, and before the meal arrives, the waiter brings a glass with some breadsticks sticking up.

My, that's nice. But it doe not change the taste of the veal or the texture of the vegetables, or whether or not you'll come back to that restaurant.
I like breadsticks
Imagine two photos. 16 x 20. Framed. Hanging on the wall. Extended family gathered together in the home for New Year's day.

The little girl, opening her gift, is the subject of the photos, taken a week ago, on Christmas day.

One, shot af f1.8 with the one-sharp-eye and the beautiful fuzziness, including the fuzzy stuffed (toy, not real) bear and the fuzzy beautiful hair, and the wonderful round blur of tree lights shot with circular diaphragm blades. Not sure what the colored blobs are - too fuzzy to see they are part of a beautiful tree.

The other one, shot at f5.6, with a five year old lens without bokey-friendly diaphram blades. The girl, and her hair, and Winston (that's the name of the bear, named after a man in a Karsh portrait) are sharp. And you can make out some of the decorations on the tree. The tree is sharp enough that it adds a Christmas spirit to the shot.

Now, sit on a stool, clipboard on your lap.

Count the number of friends and relatives who stop at the fuzzy shot, and at the sharp shot, and count to seconds each stays with the photo.

And count how many times the girl's parents are asked for a copy of the bokey-dokey shot, and how many ask for copies of the "she sure is beautiful, isn't she?" shot.
There examples where you would want the background in focus (like this one), and there other examples where you don't want the background in focus. One size doesn't fit all.
Anyway, my take on the Photozone tests is that the STM 50 is just as good as the f1.4 in any way that matters, and costs a lot less.
Finally we agree.
 
Hi,

I am making up my mind between these 2. While money wise the new 1.8 is of course more attractive, I would buy the 1.4 if it had better bokeh.

Can anyone comment on this? How does the new stm compare to the older 50mm 1.4 USM in terms of bokeh?

Thanks
Wow there is some berserk going on, on 1.4.
I'd say this: good piece of 1.4 is still optically better. It still rules all cheaper versions. It is not THAT fragile. I had some "hot" moments with it and it survived without damage few times. But people are coming with real faults, so it is not mechanically good lens. I own this one, and I'd also say that while it can shoot something, and I can get sharp image for greater than FullHD resolution wide open, I have so small use for 1.4, so I'd say it's not worth it. If you don't absolutely know why you need 1.4 lens, then I'd be also against it, and I can't recommend it. Save your money.
If you want cheap very fast lens, to get last bit of versatility and performance for little more money that nothing, and you use youtr things not like a monkey, then 1.4 is only choice left anyway.
I can't mark this lens as bad/poor either. It is funny, fast, usable piece of machinery.
 
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I have the 1.4 and I would not get it again. It has always been hit and miss focusing, even after I got it repaired due to the AF not working (stopped working all together once, and it took 3 tries before Canon fixed it so it worked again for more than a few test shots). The front of the lens - the part that extends/retracts when focusing - is very sensitive to impact and easily damages the AF mechanism... in my experience.

I'm pretty hard on stuff, though!
 
get the 85L II or even the 50L., and just remember a little bokey goes a loooooooooong way ;-)!
 
I'm with you, BAK. And not to mention that I don't understand Japanese.
 
4 times, 3 under warranty - 2 to fix the focus gear jamming, one to replace the total focus mechanism (had to pay for this one), one to fix the total out of focus when they replaced the focus gear.

And finally (5th) when it jammed again.

Fixed it myself the next time when it rolled off the desk and fell apart.
 
I had both (on 6d) and got rid of both. 50mm f1.4 - AF is not reliable at longer distances. Sharpness from 10ft and more is poor. Purple fringing at f1.4 is too much. Hazy look to images wide open unless postprocess. I buy fast lenses to use primarily wide open, otherwise I'll just use my zoom. 50mm STM - not great either, AF in low light is not reliable, bokeh is supbar - choose your background carefully, colors are dull - needs postprocessing. I would not be bothering with either of thsese 50mm lenses. I am stickig with 85mm f1.8 - longer working distances buy way better results than both:
- much faster and more reliable AF
- Very sharp at f1.8 with strong colors
- Smooth bokeh
 
There is a bokeh comparison here
although it is not with the 1.8 STM but the old 1.8. So though the optical design may be simmilar, the STM has more apperture blades so it will at least produce more pleasing out of focus highlights.

The 1.4 USM may or may not be fragile as some write, but there has been no problem with mine at all for the 11 years I have had it.
 
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I don't want to say "me too" or something similar, but I agree.

Nonetheless, I understand OP concerns, I had them too before buying the 1.8 STM.

The search I did before making up my mind pointed to a better bokeh in 1.4, as already mentioned. But the price, weight and "good enough" bokeh on the 1.8 STM clearly defined it as winner for me. This is only because it is a much better lens than the 1.8 II.

I can guarantee my 1.8 STM suffered a lot of punishing in my hands and it still performs as new.
 
The nifty fifty is essentially a disposable lens where you won't lose sleep over if that lens rolled down the cliff, it's the cheapest lens made by Canon but with similar performance to the over-priced 50 1.4.
 
I have an f1.4 is is fast and I like it in lowlight but ot os a gragile POS as far as quality build goes. I have had my repaired twice both times it was damaged in my bag. It os a very cheep plastic lens. You can find them used for arpund 300 all day The Sigma 1.4 ( not the art ) sells for around 450 500 used bit the build quality is far and beyond better. The Canon f1.2 is a nice lens but again for that kind of money the 50 art is very nice too, for less than 450 I would try the f1.8 STM.
 
Another vote for the 50m f/1.8 STM over the f/1.4

I could never get a decently sharp shot out of my f/1.4 until stopped down to about f/2.2.

I wasnt expecting much from the f/1.8 STM but have been amazed at the IQ, not even considering its price.

Being able to use f/1.8 means its a faster lens than my f/1.4 as far as usability goes.

Im not sure about the comments that Bokeh doesn't matter. If each lens gives a different look then why doesn't it? Just curious.
 

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