What I bought instead of a 1DS

[benjamin chang]

Just like everybody else very disappointed about the price of canon. Instead I bought the following

Leica M6TTL
35mm 1.4 ASP - travel lens
50 1.0 Noctilux - available darkness lens
90 F2 APO - portrait lens

still with £1500 left assuming UK price will be £6500.

My plan is to play around the Leica stuff and sell it all in a years time probably for 10 - 20 % ish less. I wonder what price 1DS or future equivalent model will be in 12 - 18 months time ?
So I did some soul searching and ask myself what am I losing out ?

I suppose

Not being to first to post the first test shots
Not being the first to comment on canon software problem ?
Not being the first to complain about Canon's new model policy ?
Not being the first to print 30 x 40 digital shots ?
Not being the first to screem about banding or moire of 1DS

On the other hand ...................... what are the advantages ?
...........................................................

What do you guys think ? I am not sore and I am not bitter about Canon they are in business just like everybody else. get as much out of the consumner as one can get away with.

Benjmain Chang
London UK

 

[Michael Eckstein]

Just like everybody else very disappointed about the price of
canon. Instead I bought the following

Leica M6TTL
35mm 1.4 ASP - travel lens
50 1.0 Noctilux - available darkness lens
90 F2 APO - portrait lens

still with £1500 left assuming UK price will be £6500.

My plan is to play around the Leica stuff and sell it all in a
years time probably for 10 - 20 % ish less. I wonder what price 1DS
or future equivalent model will be in 12 - 18 months time ?
So I did some soul searching and ask myself what am I losing out ?

I suppose

If you plan to buy a 1Ds in a year a smarter buy would be:

Canon 1V $1800
100/400 IS 1500
28/70 1000
100 macro 600
+ other lenses/flash/etc. of your choice

Then you could port your lens to the 1Ds and just sell the 1V

Not being to first to post the first test shots
Not being the first to comment on canon software problem ?
Not being the first to complain about Canon's new model policy ?
Not being the first to print 30 x 40 digital shots ?
Not being the first to screem about banding or moire of 1DS

On the other hand ...................... what are the advantages ?
...........................................................
What do you guys think ? I am not sore and I am not bitter about
Canon they are in business just like everybody else. get as much
out of the consumner as one can get away with.

Benjmain Chang
London UK

 

[Gleb Esman]

Not being to first to post the first test shots

That's not a big deal.

Not being the first to comment on canon software problem ?

I think that's the biggest potential issue. Software/firmware bugs on early models. Paying top dollars to become first scapegoat. Give it few good months to a year on a market to fix bugs and come up with a couple upgrades. During that time appropriate CF cards (2GB+) will become more available and affordable as well. Same with other storage devices. Some photographers would easily fill 40GB+ in a few days with 1Ds.

Not being the first to complain about Canon's new model policy ?

Not an issue.

Not being the first to print 30 x 40 digital shots ?

I made wonderful sellable 20x30" prints with my old small 3MP cam.

Not being the first to screem about banding or moire of 1DS

not a big deal. I never seen banding on my 1D, but saw some moire. It never been a problem for me. At least not to the extent of suffering from some sort of emotional pain. Just move on to the next shot.

On the other hand ...................... what are the advantages ?

I miss more resolution for some of my shots. I like sharp fine pictures, printed on high quality matte paper. Matted, framed without glass cover. 1Ds images will be another step up. No rush.

Gleb Esman
http://www.ObjectiveArt.org

...........................................................
What do you guys think ? I am not sore and I am not bitter about
Canon they are in business just like everybody else. get as much
out of the consumner as one can get away with.

Benjmain Chang
London UK

 

[John Davis]

Typical spoiled brat reaction... because he cannot afford a new toy. Grow up!

John

Just like everybody else very disappointed about the price of
canon. Instead I bought the following

Leica M6TTL
35mm 1.4 ASP - travel lens
50 1.0 Noctilux - available darkness lens
90 F2 APO - portrait lens

still with £1500 left assuming UK price will be £6500.

My plan is to play around the Leica stuff and sell it all in a
years time probably for 10 - 20 % ish less. I wonder what price 1DS
or future equivalent model will be in 12 - 18 months time ?
So I did some soul searching and ask myself what am I losing out ?

I suppose

Not being to first to post the first test shots
Not being the first to comment on canon software problem ?
Not being the first to complain about Canon's new model policy ?
Not being the first to print 30 x 40 digital shots ?
Not being the first to screem about banding or moire of 1DS

On the other hand ...................... what are the advantages ?
...........................................................
What do you guys think ? I am not sore and I am not bitter about
Canon they are in business just like everybody else. get as much
out of the consumner as one can get away with.

Benjmain Chang
London UK

 

[Yatin Chachad]

There is nothing dissapointing about the price of the Canon 1Ds. It is priced correctly, for professionals. That's like saying, I didn't buy the Ferrari because I was dissapointed I could not buy it for $15,000.

Just like everybody else very disappointed about the price of
canon. Instead I bought the following

Leica M6TTL
35mm 1.4 ASP - travel lens
50 1.0 Noctilux - available darkness lens
90 F2 APO - portrait lens

still with £1500 left assuming UK price will be £6500.

My plan is to play around the Leica stuff and sell it all in a
years time probably for 10 - 20 % ish less. I wonder what price 1DS
or future equivalent model will be in 12 - 18 months time ?
So I did some soul searching and ask myself what am I losing out ?

I suppose

Not being to first to post the first test shots
Not being the first to comment on canon software problem ?
Not being the first to complain about Canon's new model policy ?
Not being the first to print 30 x 40 digital shots ?
Not being the first to screem about banding or moire of 1DS

On the other hand ...................... what are the advantages ?
...........................................................
What do you guys think ? I am not sore and I am not bitter about
Canon they are in business just like everybody else. get as much
out of the consumner as one can get away with.

Benjmain Chang
London UK

--
Sincerely,
Y. Chachad
Shoot The World
http://www.pbase.com/eastrace

 

[Peter Gregg]

I do not agree with the price being correct nonsense, it is not correct - period.

But that isn't what this thread is about is it, we just like to always stay on message like the politicians and take every opportunity to push our opinion.

I like the suggestion that was made about the 1V. That would have been a better choice than the Leica. At the end, when you buy a new body and sell the 1V you will still have your lens collection intact.

To me that sounds clever. And these days the Leica isn't much better than the 1V. In fact, I would prefer the 1V. Also in the coarse of a year you might want to add some more lenses as your photo style dictates.

Peter Gregg

 

[benjamin chang]

Hi Peter I have got 2 x EOS 1V already

Benjamin Chang
London UK

 

[benjamin chang]

please I did not post here to be attacked in person. I has got nothing to do with what I can afford or not. You really don't know what I can or cannot afford.

I dont want to break forum rules but to me my reply would be

Typical communist reaction......beacause he cannot stand other people can afford it Grow up......

Typical spoiled brat reaction... because he cannot afford a new
toy. Grow up!

 

[Lee Rothman]

Just like everybody else very disappointed about the price of
canon. Instead I bought the following

Leica M6TTL
35mm 1.4 ASP - travel lens
50 1.0 Noctilux - available darkness lens
90 F2 APO - portrait lens

still with £1500 left assuming UK price will be £6500.

My plan is to play around the Leica stuff and sell it all in a
years time probably for 10 - 20 % ish less. I wonder what price 1DS
or future equivalent model will be in 12 - 18 months time ?
So I did some soul searching and ask myself what am I losing out ?

I suppose

Not being to first to post the first test shots
Not being the first to comment on canon software problem ?
Not being the first to complain about Canon's new model policy ?
Not being the first to print 30 x 40 digital shots ?
Not being the first to screem about banding or moire of 1DS

On the other hand ...................... what are the advantages ?
...........................................................
What do you guys think ? I am not sore and I am not bitter about
Canon they are in business just like everybody else. get as much
out of the consumner as one can get away with.

Benjmain Chang
London UK

 

[Brian Kennedy]

Hi Peter I have got 2 x EOS 1V already

Well, that's annoying. You have too much equipment. Hand one of them over my way! ;-)

FWIW, a stealthy little rangefinder is a completely different beast than the (comparatively) giant SLRs that are the 1V and 1D. I don't see them as interchangeable pieces of equipment. The 1DS is light years different than an M6, although each are cool in its own way... hopefully, you realize that.

As you say, the Leica equipment will, without a doubt, retain its value MUCH better over the long-term. Still, I don't know which I'd rather have, a new 1DS or your new rangefinder setup ;-).

--
Brian Kennedy
http://www.briankennedy.net/

 

[John Davis]

You have proven my point. Spoiled brat behavior any form you spell it.

John

I dont want to break forum rules but to me my reply would be

Typical communist reaction......beacause he cannot stand other
people can afford it Grow up......

Typical spoiled brat reaction... because he cannot afford a new
toy. Grow up!

 

[Steven-T]

Benjamen,

I am now seriously considering: $(1D + 3 L's) = $(1Ds), and then upgrade in 2-3 years. I am converting from film Hassy+Nikon with manual prime lens.

This is my choice after evaluating the D1X, D1H, D100, S2, D60, and the new Kodak 14n and 1Ds, in reference to price/performance, opportunity for the future, and my personal preference/need. The H1+Pro back is an overkill for me. I will send two rolls of 12 6x6 transparency, maybe once every 6 months, to the lab for scanning, in the future.

I wonder you can sell your Leica gear with only 10-20% discount in a year. Look at the Lecia and Hassy bodies and lens lying around now, e.g. at B&H and Adorama in NYC. The depreciation is brutal. This is not 10 years ago.

Steven

Hi Peter I have got 2 x EOS 1V already

Benjamin Chang
London UK

 

[benjamin chang]

May be I did not make my point clear in the original posting

What I am interpreting is that manufacturers are fighting a market leading battle. Each company want to make the best specification body and one up over the other. Just like a heated property market. When 2 big fellows are fighting let them do so. Walk away for a short while. Take a break from the heat. Come back and clean up without much effort. That is my point.

There are many aspects of photography one can diversify into for a short while without losing ground. There is no competition here. I thought we are all on the same side here the consumer may be I am wrong........

I can sense a lot of jealousy and comments about too much equipment or can I use it all. Well sorry chaps if I have step on your toes or raw nerve.

I hope I have made my point clear now.

I will jump back into digital in the near future but just sitting on the side line for the time being. Thats all.

Benjamin Chang
London UK

 

[JCW]

Typical spoiled brat reaction... because he cannot afford a new
toy. Grow up!

Um, John, if you've been keeping up to date, it's not a matter of whether the 1Ds is affordable or not. It's a matter of whether it's obtainable or not.

And besides, Benjamin just decided to try something different, and was asking for opinions of what people thought. I didn't think it was spoiled brat behavior, any way you spell it. Why go on this personal attack? Does it make you feel better? It certainly doesn't contribute anything to the current discussion, and it certainly doesn't reveal anything about your personality that we haven't seen in your past posts.

So why the attack?

John

I dont want to break forum rules but to me my reply would be

Typical communist reaction......beacause he cannot stand other
people can afford it Grow up......

Typical spoiled brat reaction... because he cannot afford a new
toy. Grow up!

--
jason: http://www.jcwphoto.net

 

[benjamin chang]

I agree with your opnion. I already sold a lot of my 6 x6 Hasselbald already. Just keeping a 500CM 27 years old body with a 120mm lens my favourite for sentimental value.

In the UK there is such a disparity of grey and dealer price if one buy grey then the depreciation can be reduced by 50% Hence my extimation.

After all Leica fans will pay if condition is good. I will still use my D30 and follow every movement in the market regularly.

Benjamin Chang
London UK

 

[JCW]

If you'd bought the equipment used, you may have been able to sell it and break even, or even make a profit.

I haven't used the Leica, but it's such a tiny beast compared to the !d form factor. I think you may find yourself taking a different approach to shooting. With the Leica you can be much more candid and unobtrusive in your shooting.

jason

Just like everybody else very disappointed about the price of
canon. Instead I bought the following

Leica M6TTL
35mm 1.4 ASP - travel lens
50 1.0 Noctilux - available darkness lens
90 F2 APO - portrait lens

still with £1500 left assuming UK price will be £6500.

My plan is to play around the Leica stuff and sell it all in a
years time probably for 10 - 20 % ish less. I wonder what price 1DS
or future equivalent model will be in 12 - 18 months time ?
So I did some soul searching and ask myself what am I losing out ?

I suppose

Not being to first to post the first test shots
Not being the first to comment on canon software problem ?
Not being the first to complain about Canon's new model policy ?
Not being the first to print 30 x 40 digital shots ?
Not being the first to screem about banding or moire of 1DS

On the other hand ...................... what are the advantages ?
...........................................................
What do you guys think ? I am not sore and I am not bitter about
Canon they are in business just like everybody else. get as much
out of the consumner as one can get away with.

Benjmain Chang
London UK

--
jason: http://www.jcwphoto.net

 

[John Davis]

Typical spoiled brat reaction... because he cannot afford a new
toy. Grow up!

Um, John, if you've been keeping up to date, it's not a matter of
whether the 1Ds is affordable or not. It's a matter of whether
it's obtainable or not.

And besides, Benjamin just decided to try something different, and
was asking for opinions of what people thought. I didn't think it
was spoiled brat behavior, any way you spell it. Why go on this
personal attack? Does it make you feel better? It certainly
doesn't contribute anything to the current discussion, and it
certainly doesn't reveal anything about your personality that we
haven't seen in your past posts.

So why the attack?

JCW:

We must be reading the original message differently. This is what I read, right at the top:

Just like everybody else very disappointed about the price of canon. > Instead I bought the following

This guy is "very disappointed about the price of canon [1Ds]." Poor chap! Aren't we all so sorry for him?

And then, what breaks the camel's back is... he goes out and buys a film camera. Nothing against M6s and film cameras, but there is no consistency in going from a leading edge digital to an old-guard fil m camera. That's all. And it is amazing how thin-skinned some people are around here. They can say the most outrageous things, but can't take any criticism. So goes the world!

John

John

I dont want to break forum rules but to me my reply would be

Typical communist reaction......beacause he cannot stand other
people can afford it Grow up......

Typical spoiled brat reaction... because he cannot afford a new
toy. Grow up!

--
jason: http://www.jcwphoto.net

 

[Robert Bedwell]

We think alike. I have owned Leica gear for many years but didn'tuse it much lately because of digital. When the Canon 1Ds price was announced I canceled my position and decided to upgrade to an M7. I used it for the first time this weekend and my scanned negatives are 57mb each. This willl do me just fine until Canon comes to their senses. Of course if I don't switch to another brand for my digital photography. Time will tell.

Regardless, scanning is a pain in the butt but the image quality is beautiful.

Bob

Just like everybody else very disappointed about the price of
canon. Instead I bought the following

Leica M6TTL
35mm 1.4 ASP - travel lens
50 1.0 Noctilux - available darkness lens
90 F2 APO - portrait lens

still with £1500 left assuming UK price will be £6500.

My plan is to play around the Leica stuff and sell it all in a
years time probably for 10 - 20 % ish less. I wonder what price 1DS
or future equivalent model will be in 12 - 18 months time ?
So I did some soul searching and ask myself what am I losing out ?

I suppose

Not being to first to post the first test shots
Not being the first to comment on canon software problem ?
Not being the first to complain about Canon's new model policy ?
Not being the first to print 30 x 40 digital shots ?
Not being the first to screem about banding or moire of 1DS

On the other hand ...................... what are the advantages ?
...........................................................
What do you guys think ? I am not sore and I am not bitter about
Canon they are in business just like everybody else. get as much
out of the consumner as one can get away with.

Benjmain Chang
London UK

 

[Robert Bedwell]

I think I prefer a spoiled brat to a jerk.

Bob

John

I dont want to break forum rules but to me my reply would be

Typical communist reaction......beacause he cannot stand other
people can afford it Grow up......

Typical spoiled brat reaction... because he cannot afford a new
toy. Grow up!

 

[benjamin chang]

I bought the whole kit from Hong Kong and imported it privately after paying the Uk tax I saved £1800 pounds on UK prices.

I hope to travel with just the body and 02 lens for a change. I will still bring the D30 if the occasion arises.

After all the investment in Canon lens I really dont want to change at all. They are very sharp and IS is so superior.

Just like car collectors somtimes one go for the fastest and once in a while you see this classic in a showroom. Well the rest is history.

Benjamin Chang

Have you buys seen any shots from the F1 Noctilux I tried the Canon F1.0 as well but just cannot reproduce the same effect. It really is addictive.