NX1000 is it any good or not!!

[davegorton]

Morning all

I am in the process of figuring out which mirrorless camera to buy.

I don't want a compact camera (even Sony RX100, which I tried and liked but not enough!). I want a big sensor!! It will be always in my bag with a pancake lens on (I seem to always carry a bag nowadays) and used when I don't want the bulk and weight of my Canon 5D mk2.

Up to now I pop a Canon 600D in the bag with a prime lens on. That does the job, but I'm looking for lighter and smaller.

I don't want to spend loads, so I'm looking at used cameras and a year or 2 old models. The Samsung NX1000 seems perfect. It is a good size, cheap to buy second hand, lighter than most (all?) others and I can get the excellent Samsung 30mm fast prime pancake for it.

I'm confused however because the reviews of this camera are all over the place: Some say that it is slow to use and high ISO IQ is not as good as Sony NEX (or M4/3?). Others say it is better or as good as NEX for IQ and that it is really fast to focus and process files!!

Has there been a firmware update to fix early problems or is this just different people expect/put up with more/less?

I've heard 6 seconds between RAW shots(?). High ISO a stop behind NEX 3n(?) and not even as good as the latest M4/3 cameras.

BTW: NEX is no good because their Pancake is f2.8 and twice the price. M4/3 camera with Panasonic 20mm 1.7 is next best, but I'd prefer the (slightly) larger sensor and like the look and feel of the NX1000 more.

Can anyone help me get my head around the reviews and rumors of the Samsung NX1000. Is IQ worse than NEX? Does it take ages in between RAWs?

Is it the bargain it seems to be or will it just be frustrating to use?

Thanks for any help with this.

Dave

 

[susee]

I think NX1000 is not good , reason it's a mirror less camera with lacks of defining part. The NX1000 uses an APS-C digital sensor which mean NX1000 is similar to DSLR's. Most buyer said that it's a EVIL camera. Full form EVIL is Electronic Viewfinder Interchangeable Lens.

 

[jennyrae]

Hello, nx1000 camera high iso good at iso3200. when shoot raw, camera locks up while processing file, not recommend when shoot 5-7 shot raw succession. depend on card speed, can take 18-23 seconds to clear and shoot effectively again. single shot raw can manage 2-3 second clearance.

better suggestion is nx300. very fun camera. high iso still good at iso8000-iso12800. no process lock. write speed depend on card speed. can resume shooting asap when enough buffer space for file after 5 shot raw succession. touchscreen af is fun and quick.

raw file is large though for nx. 17mb-33mb. depend on scene. darker scene, much bigger file size. need big storage space for raw or just convert to DNG which make file really small. this no problem for me. I buy drive for storage always. have cameras with much bigger raw file,45-50mb.

 

[de_klaas]

I recently started a thread sharing my experiences with the NX1000. I'm using a 5DII for my regular shooting as well. You might find this useful:

Summer holiday with NX1000 instead of 5DII; my thoughts

So I finally did it. I left my Canon 5DII at home for the summer holiday. I absolutely love that camera but yes, it is big and heavy. With a slingstrap I don’t mind carrying it for a whole day but still… I visited Paris in may with just the NX100 to see if that would suffice for the summer...

www.dpreview.com

 

[davegorton]

Thanks for pointing out your post de_klass, lots of info there. Nice shots too.

Thanks to everyone else too.

Is it not the same 20.3mp sensor (and therefore same IQ?) in NX200 NX300 NX1000 etc??

I'm thinking now that I should just buy a NX1000 (used) and see if I like it. I think this is really the only way to find out!! If it's not for me, I can always sell it on...............

Any other views on NX1000 are welcome.

Have a good day

Dave

 

[davegorton]

Another question: Is the AF speed better/worse with the kit zoom v the 30mm pancake?

 

[Coldamus]

davegorton wrote:

Is it not the same 20.3mp sensor (and therefore same IQ?) in NX200 NX300 NX1000 etc??

It is the same sensor as the NX200 and NX20. The sensor in the NX300 is the same size (in dimensions and megapixels) but has on-sensor PDAF. The NX300 also has a more powerful processor and much improved jpeg engine, among other things.

 

[Coldamus]

davegorton wrote:

Another question: Is the AF speed better/worse with the kit zoom v the 30mm pancake?

It deoends which kit zoom. I haven't owned a 20-50 but that is reputed to be one of the slower NX lenses. I have owned the 30mm and the 18-55 kit zoom. Both are fine in good light but in poor light the 30mm is slower than the 18-55. It is also significantly slower than the 20mm prime.

A new version of the 30mm with iFn is about to be released, so that might address the slow focusing.

 

[Zdman]

The sensor is fine. The bad sensor talk comes from the NX100 days. There was also a problem with the earlier firmware of the NX200/210/1000 that crushed the shadows and put strange rings into the raws when using certain lenses. You can look at the comparison tool on Dpreview and download a few raws to check. Just note that the focus is out for the nx200 (thanks to this forums requesting the 60mm be used) so only look at the noise not the sharpness. Focus will never be up to 600d standards but is more than adequate and comparable to other mirrorless (not as fast as the panny but a bit faster than the nex) .For what you want the NX1000 and a 30mm will be fine. What about an eos-m and a 22 or 40mm (with converter) I'e heard the focus is much improved.

 

[davegorton]

I heard that the focus is improved in the Canon EOS, but still a bit slow compare to others(?)

I have just been to a camera shop to have a go on the NX1000. It seems great to me. Focus is fast enough and more or less the same as Panasonic and Nex cameras. Seems well built despite being plastic and that makes it quite a bit lighter compared to others and much lighter than my 600D(!).

I also found out that you can use auto ISO in manual mode (something I love about my 600D). You can't do it on NEX 3N. Great for when you need a certain aperture and fast shutter speed, but you get (semi) auto exposure too.

Thanks all for your help. I'm going to hang around eBay until a cheap NX1000 comes up (also a 30mm) and give it a go...........

Cheers

Dave

 

[atarget]

davegorton wrote:

I heard that the focus is improved in the Canon EOS, but still a bit slow compare to others(?)

I have just been to a camera shop to have a go on the NX1000. It seems great to me. Focus is fast enough and more or less the same as Panasonic and Nex cameras. Seems well built despite being plastic and that makes it quite a bit lighter compared to others and much lighter than my 600D(!).

I also found out that you can use auto ISO in manual mode (something I love about my 600D). You can't do it on NEX 3N. Great for when you need a certain aperture and fast shutter speed, but you get (semi) auto exposure too.

Thanks all for your help. I'm going to hang around eBay until a cheap NX1000 comes up (also a 30mm) and give it a go...........

Cheers

Dave

I have owned NX1000 since April. You can not go wrong with this little wonder. It sweetly complements my Pentax K-5.

 

[Raf007]

If you live in UK it may be worth to pop up to currys. My local sells black NX1000 + kit for £199.99 and a white one for £229.99. There has been some good deals online on 30mm recently too.

 

[NewForce]

atarget wrote:

I have owned NX1000 since April. You can not go wrong with this little wonder. It sweetly complements my Pentax K-5.

Yes, I am with you. That's also the reason why I've recommended this very useful and lovely NX1000 camera to many friends, even to some strangers on last year.

 

[davegorton]

Wow what a great forum! Thanks everyone.

Yes I am in the UK. That does sound like a great deal at Currys. I managed to win the bidding on a NX1000 + lens on eBay and got it for £150. I'm happy with that!!

Where did you see a good deal on the 30mm? I'll be looking for one of those next!

As long as it's faster than a compact camera in operation and IQ is close to what I get from my 600D, it should do the job. Just got to get used to no viewfinder and composing on a screen.........

Can't wait to get it and try it out.

Cheers

Dave

 

[davegorton]

Morning all

Quick update: I purchased a NX1000 from eBay and have now had a few days to use it.

Love the camera! For me it is not a DSLR replacement by any means, but an excellent compact camera replacement!! Not so sure about the kit zoom lens, Looking for a 30mm as I think that will suit me better.

I first tried the camera with a Kingston ultimateX 100x 16gb SD class 10 card. I thought that this was a fairly fast card but saving RAW files was incredibly slow and I thought I'd made a huge mistake buying the camera.

I then tried a Sandisk Extereme III 2gb card and it does still take longer than my Canon cameras to save a RAW but it is much much quicker than the Kingston. So it does make a difference! I'll have to invest in a larger faster card....

I also found that dropping down to 10mp makes it a little faster too.

Hope this is helpful to someone out there.

Have a good day

Dave