Canon; what a great year!

I'm done with replying to fanboy like you.

You change your tune to suit your biased view.

Actually Nikon 70-200F4VR price is very competitive.

I bet if Canon release 70-200F4 IS2 replacement, it will be minimum $1995 MSRP.

Your exchange conversion exchange excuse does not hold.

It should apply to older lens lineup like 24-105.

Yes they have gone up a little (I'm as stupid as you think) but nowhere near of what new equipment premium price is asking (yes I know new items commands premium price at first, just in case you think I'm that stupid).

I'm not responding again so you can have the last word.
 
XeroJay wrote:

So to summarize, we have a bunch of Canon users who are extremely happy with Canon this year, and one Nikon user who isn't happy with Canon this year...

Merry Christmas;)
 
2013 looks better 200-400 out, rumors that a 14-24 F2.8 L coming out in January and rumours of further revamps to 400mm lenses.
 
How about Canon bringing out identical lenses like the 14-24 L f2.8, 200-400 L IS F4 ?
 
ak1999 wrote:

I'm done with replying to fanboy like you.
You are trolling... How typical to call me a fanboy.
You change your tune to suit your biased view.
Where have I changed "my tune", oh trolling ak? (Don't troll, it is not appreciated)
Actually Nikon 70-200F4VR price is very competitive.
It is? How much more expensive is it than the equivalent Canon?
I bet if Canon release 70-200F4 IS2 replacement, it will be minimum $1995 MSRP.
If Canon would make it even sharper, it would be even more expensive to produce (tolerance). Since the 70-200mm f4 L IS USM is a relatively new lens, there will not be a new version soon.

Now to explain the obvious to you:

The Nikon AF-S 16-35mm f4 VR: $1260.

The Nikon AF-S 70-200mm f4 VR: $1400

The Nikon AF-S 17-55mm f2.8 DX: $1540

The Nikon AF-S 24-120mm f4 VR: $1300

The Canon EF 17-40mm f4 L USM: $840

The Canon EF 70-200mm f4 L IS USM: $1350

The Canon EF 24-70mm f4 L IS USM: $1500

The Canon EF 24-105mm f4 L IS USM: $1150

The EF 24-70mm f4 is priced pretty normal for a high quality f4 FF lens, as you can see. The newer Nikon 16-35mm VR is a lot more expensive than the older Canon counterpart, as you can see.

Take particular notice to the pricing of the very comparable Nikon AF-S 17-55mm f2.8 DX. A 25.5-82.5mm f4.2 equivalent, it is priced higher than the new Canon EF 24-70mm f4 L IS USM, which has better sealing, image stabilization and a nice macro setting/feature. The price of that new Canon is not very strange, in all respects. That you can't afford it is understandable... I can not afford many things either, does not mean I start to whine in forums about how unreasonable prices are (especially when they are not so unreasonable).
Your exchange conversion exchange excuse does not hold.
And why "does it not hold"?
It should apply to older lens lineup like 24-105.
All manufacturers try to keep the MSRP of a lens during its lifetime relatively stable, in a currency area. Sometimes price-hikes have to follow, if things get too crooked (just after the 2007/2008 financial market collapse for instance). This works that way for Canon, Sony, Nikon, and so on.

The 24-105mm f4 L IS USM has lesser optics than the 24-70mm f4 L IS USM (see the published MTF charts). The 24-70mm f4 L IS USM is a higher quality optic, and will cost a little more. The choice is longer reach vs higher IQ. Nothing curious about that, always has been that way. Higher precision elements are more expensive to fabricate.
Yes they have gone up a little (I'm as stupid as you think) but nowhere near of what new equipment premium price is asking (yes I know new items commands premium price at first, just in case you think I'm that stupid).
You do appear that stupid, in your arguments.
I'm not responding again so you can have the last word.
Thanks.
 
thomas2279f wrote:

How about Canon bringing out identical lenses like the 14-24 L f2.8, 200-400 L IS F4 ?
Canon already has the EF 200-400mm f4 L IS USM in production, and has shown and announced it last year. It has an inbuilt 1.4x TC. Canon has applied for a 14-24mm f4 design patent quite some time ago too.
 
x-vision wrote:

I'll remember 2012 as the year when Canon tried to extort high prices from its loyal locked-in users.
This is the first year in a decade that Canon made me appreciate what I already have: a 1D Mark IV with its cropped sensor and the "old" 300mm f2.8 which can outresolve the sensor (I don't use teleconverters). If I have to replace either of these two products, I'll have to buy something either much more expensive or not what I want.
 
Scott Larson wrote:
x-vision wrote:

I'll remember 2012 as the year when Canon tried to extort high prices from its loyal locked-in users.
This is the first year in a decade that Canon made me appreciate what I already have: a 1D Mark IV with its cropped sensor and the "old" 300mm f2.8 which can outresolve the sensor (I don't use teleconverters). If I have to replace either of these two products, I'll have to buy something either much more expensive or not what I want.
Looking back at 2012, I also played smart with Canon and its pricing. First, I sold off my 7D when I still could get a decent price for it, getting back $1100, which I paid $1400 for.

Then I bought a refurbished 5D2 with 185 clicks on the shutter for $1400, after learning that Canon was asking *$2100 MORE* for the 5D3.

I also bought a brand new 24-105 for $800 from a guy who only wanted the 5D3 body and not the lens in the kit.

And finally, I bought the 85 f/1.8 for $350, because I know the replacement for it will be at least $800.

Yeah, I'm still shooting Canon, I'm still buying Canon, but I'm sure not falling for their 'new and improved' pricing.
 
EvokeEmotion wrote:
DSHAPK wrote:
EvokeEmotion wrote:
XeroJay wrote:
EvokeEmotion wrote:
XeroJay wrote:

So to summarize, we have a bunch of Canon users who are extremely happy with Canon this year, and one Nikon user who isn't happy with Canon this year...

Merry Christmas;)
 
brightcolours wrote:

Do you rant about the Nikon D800 in a similar fashion? Or the D600 perhaps? Or maybe the TV you bought? Just wondering....
If you want people ranting about their television sets, go to the AVS Forum. Just tell them that you bought the best one you saw in the store then watch how the fanboys pounce on you because they own the best one and they need to tell you that you just made a big mistake! I mean it's not even close! Blew the other ones away, right out of the water! And like megapixels, the more inches the better! Everything looks better on a 78" screen no matter how close you sit to it.

Ah, the Internet!
 
brightcolours wrote:

You do not seem to be able to distinguish between the manufacturer and the retailer. It is not Canon who makes "the deals" but the retailers who compete for customers, lowering their profit margins per camera.
Dude, the Adorama deal on eBay was for $2750 - at a time when the official price was still $3500.
This was Canon dumping stock through the backdoor, not a retailer/eBay discount.
 
brightcolours wrote:

By the way, no atheist will end up in hell, as there is no hell. ;)


I'm speaking from the non-atheist's point of view here.
 
EvokeEmotion wrote:
StickmanBangkok wrote:

shooting in a dark, back alley in Bangkok at 3:30 AM
Mod, I don't like the sound of this.
You don't like the sound of this? We all like to shoot different stuff....here's the sort of stuff I shoot when others are sleeping in Bangkok.


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