It's time to backup your HDD, but do a CLONE...

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I've been cloning my HardDrives for years, and for me it really makes sense. A clone gives you an exact copy of your HDD; everything is there, no need to spend hours, days and more to rebuild and find things. And my backup/cloned HDD is not hooked up after I clone so it is removed from harm's way, as in power surges, lightning, etc.

With Western Digital or Seagate HDDs you can use their free versions of Acronis to clone.

I always try to have two different sizes of HDDs (1Tb, 1.5Tb, for example) so that I can safely ID which way to go when setting up the clone.

But if you have same size HDDs the Acronis will not ID any difference, even if it is from a WD to Seagate.

I found that the free version of Easeus TODO backup will ID the difference (WD or Seagate, or whatever) so that you have that assurance the clone will be right.

This is not an ad for Easeus, but software that works and especially is free is what I am after! The Easeus clone took about 4x as long as the Acronis, so I will only use it with identical HDDs.
 
I've found the Windows 7 back up all you really need..simply go for the system image option and you're good to go.

Really I see no need for anything else.
 
Windows system image is great for "clone" but if you ever have the need to restore a file you can not use the clone image. INMHO there is need for both a back up system that will allow you to restore files as well as an image back up to restore the whole drive.
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I'll look into Win7 backup. I haven't had 100% success with imaging, whereas with cloning it has always worked. And is usually much faster!
 
Ever heard of labeling your drives? The electronic label that is.
So even if you have all 1tb you just label them.
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I don't like the concept of a literal clone from one complete drive to another complete drive because:
  • it backs up a lot of stuff that I don't need backed up, such as temporary folders, file system metadata, current instances of my virtual machines, etc.
  • it means I can't get multiple generations of backups onto one hard drive
I prefer backups that create a "save set" file which I can name with the backup date and type (monthly, weekly, etc.). That means I can have multiple backup generations on each of a set of backup drives, which gives me more protection. For example it allows me to recover a file from a month ago even though I've also done more recent backups to the same disk.

Save set files also make it easy for me to create checksums and use those to test the integrity of my backups over time.
 
no need to spend hours, days and more to rebuild and find things.
Hours to rebuild, yes. Days to find your things, no.

If I ever had to replace my system drive (knock on wood), I'd probably prefer a clean install. Yes, it's a little more time consuming, but it's something that's good to do from time to time anyway.
 
Windows system image is great for "clone" but if you ever have the need to restore a file you can not use the clone image. INMHO there is need for both a back up system that will allow you to restore files as well as an image back up to restore the whole drive.
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Art
no you can't use the clone image but you can use the data files also backed up.
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I run a digital lib with some sort of backup plan. I believe it's a good plan to follow.

we have several clone machine from Amazon, kangoku tech. we have primary and secondary backup, then archive them weekly. put them in a solid box and place them in the archive box where has humidity control and etc.

if we find the cloned drive is actually larger than master drive, we can always use partition magic software to increase the usage of partition or partition it to two parts and use the backup clone machine to clone the other drive. which is not drive to drive but partition to partition.
I've been cloning my HardDrives for years, and for me it really makes sense. A clone gives you an exact copy of your HDD; everything is there, no need to spend hours, days and more to rebuild and find things. And my backup/cloned HDD is not hooked up after I clone so it is removed from harm's way, as in power surges, lightning, etc.

With Western Digital or Seagate HDDs you can use their free versions of Acronis to clone.

I always try to have two different sizes of HDDs (1Tb, 1.5Tb, for example) so that I can safely ID which way to go when setting up the clone.

But if you have same size HDDs the Acronis will not ID any difference, even if it is from a WD to Seagate.

I found that the free version of Easeus TODO backup will ID the difference (WD or Seagate, or whatever) so that you have that assurance the clone will be right.

This is not an ad for Easeus, but software that works and especially is free is what I am after! The Easeus clone took about 4x as long as the Acronis, so I will only use it with identical HDDs.
 
There's something about Win 7 and Acronis. I've tried cloning and restore my Win 7 x64 laptop with True Image 2010. Restoring the drive after cloning cleared most of the System Restore points except for 3 most recent ones. I was running the True Image from a recovery CD.

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Personally, I use ddrescue (a Linux utility) to write an exact sector by sector copy of a drive to an image file on a mounted partition located on an external drive.

For example, I'll boot into a SimplyMEPIS DVD (Mepis is a Linux distribution with ddrescue already installed), plug in an external drive, click on the NTFS partition from Dolphin (the file manager built in) to mount it read/write, and type this:

su
fdisk -l
mount

Those commands help me make sure I know how my drives and partitions are labeled. The first drive will show up as /dev/sda, the second as /dev/sdb, the third as dev/sdc, etc. (note the a, b, c changing for each new drive) Partitions are represented by a number following the drive label. For example, /dev/sda1 is the first partition partition on the first drive, /dev/sda2 is the second partition on the first drive, etc..

When a partition is mounted, it will show up as a folder under either /mnt, or /media (depending on whether or not it was plugged in at the time the system was booted up).

Basically, after making sure I know how my drives and mounted partitions show up (using the comands above), I'd do something like this to create a disk image file:

su
ddrescue /dev/sda /mnt/sdb1/20110815.img

That would create an image file of the system's first drive (/dev/sda) and write it to the first mounted partition on /sdb (the second drive in a PC). I often use a date as the image file name (20110815.img in that example), but, it can be anything you want it to be). If I wanted to restore it to a new drive later, I'd reverse it. IOW, just replace the failed drive, boot into a Mepis DVD, click on the NTFS partition I backed up to in order to mount it, and do this to restore the original image file to /dev/sda (fhe first hard drive in the system).

su
ddrescue /mnt/sdb1/20110815.img /dev/sda

Downside... it takes up a lot of space doing it that way (the image file is going to be the same size as the drive you're backing up) . But, if you want to make sure you have an exact copy, that's the best way to approach it.

Note that you can pipe the output via gzip or a similar utility so that it's compressed. Personally, I do not compress my backup images.

For one thing, if a compressed file has any issues (for example, bad sectors on the drive you're saving it to creating errors), it can be difficult to recover it. . For another thing, if it's uncompressed, I can mount the image file as a loop device in Linux, treating it just like a physical drive. Note that you do need to mount specific partitions using offsets when you have more than one partition on a drive (and the image you create). But, that's really not very hard to do.

Here's one article I found explaining that process (how to mount partitions inside of a disk image file as loop devices). Note that the article shows using dd versus ddrescue to create the backup images. But, the concept is the same (both create exact sector by sector copies of a source device).

http://wiki.edseek.com/guide:mount_loopback .

Note that the article also uses the standard mount command in linux to mount a partition read only. A better way to approach it is to use the ntfs-3g driver instead. That lets you mount an NTFS partition inside of a disk image file as read/write when treating it as a loop device (basically, giving you all of the benefits you'd have if it was a physical drive versus a disk image).

If you google for something like mount loop offset ntfs-3g, you should find some examples of doing it that way.

Note that I usually keep at least one full disk image backup of a drive that I can restore to a new drive. As long as the new drive is the same size or larger than the drive the image was made from, it will restore just fine. Note that if the new drive is larger, you won't see the extra space until using a partitioning tool to increase the size of any partitions. That's because your disk image file is an exact sector by sector copy (including the first 512 bytes which includes the Master Boot Record and Partition Table), so the partition table on the drive you restore to is going to match the source drive, even if it's really larger. Just use something like GParted (a paritioining tool) if you want to increase a partition size after restoring from a disk image backup.

I usually keep backup images of individual partitions, too (so that I have more than one copy of what's on the drive). For example, this would be the command I would use to backup the third partition on the first drive in a system to an image file named 20110815_sda3.img located on the first mounted partition on the second drive in my system:

su
ddrescue /dev/sda3 /mnt/sdb1/20110815_sda3.img

Once you understand the linux naming conventions it's pretty simple, and you can use a simple command or two if you want backup or restore exact copies of entire drives or individual partitions (and you can also mount those backup images as loop devices so that you can treat them exactly like you'd treat a real physical drive).

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"Once you understand the linux naming conventions it's pretty simple, and you can use a simple command or two"......................

Whew!
Thanks, Jim, I think!
It's way over my head; heck, I'm just a photographer.........LOL

Likley a lot of here at this forum are concerned about backups, and we have a myriad of ways to accomplish them. If others at this forum learn from some of these threads and tips it is great.
 
For cloning, I like G4U. It's available as a free linux boot CD ISO.

It tells you not only the attachment point of each drive (ide0, ide1, etc), but it also gives you the model number off the drive.

For painless backup, I like Windows Home Server. It backs everything up automatically and it only makes one copy of each file (no matter how many computers you back up). The really cool part though -- in the event of a drive failure, you just stick a new drive in the machine, boot from the WHS recovery CD, and in short order your machine is restored to what it had been.
 
Windows backup doesn't compress, so image files are huge. Also if you use Libraries referring to files on other drives then be prepared for absolutely enormous backups full of data you may not want backed up at all in this manner.

I use R-Drive for imaging, Acronis 2010 kept crashing during restores from incremental backups making it hard work although it got there in the end by rebooting between each increment. R-Drive isn't free though. It tells me the names etc of the drives.
 

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