Will you if...........

[Dman]

If you own a company like minolta, nikon etc... will you give those high end camera with at least 64MB or 128MB Memory card?

For me, I will. Imagine the 16 MB that come with your camera, how much could you take? You will get the 128MB and above for more photos and therefore, the 16MB card seem like useless unless it was the last card you has with you when all the BIG card finished.

I just inserted the 16MB card and hardly could get 20 photos for the 5MP at standard mode. The 16MB is good for VGA at economy mode. Other than that, can forget about it. I really hope that those company could give us, the customer, a bigger capacity for starting off. A happy customer is better than a unhappy one, right?

Dman

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[Jean Montambeault]

If you own a company like minolta, nikon etc... will you give those
high end camera with at least 64MB or 128MB Memory card?

I felt your frustration when buying my first digicam but...
...they can't 'give' the card since it costs money, can they ?

So they would have to sell the camera at a higher price. How do you deal with having to include a card bought at high price in, let's say january, if the price has gone down 25% by the time the camera sells ?...

In the end, isn't it much simpler to buy the camera and then cards, as many as you need, at the best price you can find ?
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[Dman]

I felt your frustration when buying my first digicam but...
...they can't 'give' the card since it costs money, can they ?
So they would have to sell the camera at a higher price. How do you
deal with having to include a card bought at high price in, let's
say january, if the price has gone down 25% by the time the camera
sells ?...
In the end, isn't it much simpler to buy the camera and then cards,
as many as you need, at the best price you can find ?
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Jean

What you say is true but do you think a camera cost that much? Furthermore they are getting the memory card in a large amount and therefore, the card price are much lower than the one in the market. From my view, if any company could afford this small amount of price, i believe that more ppl will go for their camera (example: D7i with 128MB while CP5700 with 16MB or 32 MB, which will you go for in the first view?)

Furthermore since their camera is a 5MP camera, will a 16MB enough? If their are 2 to 3 MP camera, I think it will but for a 5 MP, better supply the right amount rather than wasting a 16MB card. If I am not wrong, the cost of making a 16MB will be higher than a 128MB and above in term of $ MB, agreed? So, why should they waste such $ in the end?

Really hope that future camera (5MP and above) could supply us, the customer, with a huge capacity of memory card rather wasting the 16MB card. Just my view, no offend.

Dman

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[Dman]

What you say is true but do you think a camera cost that much?

Sorry, should be "do you think a memory card cost that much?"

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[Lawrencew]

If you own a company like minolta, nikon etc... will you give those
high end camera with at least 64MB or 128MB Memory card?

For me, I will. Imagine the 16 MB that come with your camera, how
much could you take? You will get the 128MB and above for more
photos and therefore, the 16MB card seem like useless unless it was
the last card you has with you when all the BIG card finished.

Historically, the price and availability of memory cards has varied widely. Camera makes don't want to either
1. vary the price of the camera each time the cost of memory changes
2. have their shipments constrained by availability of cards

Also, they realise that it is a very price sensitive market, and that many consumers will look first at the cheapest price, rather than waying up the value of the bundle. Also the variation in card types and the different prices of each type might make comparison difficult. Camera makers want to keep it simple.

You also have to factor in that different folks will have different uses for their camera. For one, a 64mb card might be sufficent. But for another, 64Mb might be just as useless to them as the 16mb card appears to you. If every camera came with 64mb, you can bet some folks would still be complaining "why dont they ship this with 256mb" and so on.

Lastly, I would note that camera manufacturers branded memory is often the most expensive you can buy. You might think they have the advantage of bulk purchase, but in fact the companies that specialise in memory are much better off, and much more likely to pass on their savings to you. There is no way I would want the price of a camera to be increased by the cost that for example Olympus charge for their Olympus branded SmartMedia cards, compared to what you can pay for them from a memory specialist.

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[Jean Montambeault]

Dman wrote:
Just my view, no offend.

Dman

Come on ! Nothing was offensive in what you said.

Nevertheless, you seem to refuse to factor in good old natural unavoidable (saddening?) human greed. I'll never understand that some people still expect any benevolence from big companies (and smaller ones are rarely better). Business is a cold harsh world, a shark tank where every smile you're given must be paid back with hard cash.

You'll get your big card when that's going to pay them, no sooner : then you'll be the one paying anyway.
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[Dman]

At least they should has a standard for each digital camera. Like 2MP getting a 16MB, a 3MP with 32MB, 4 MP with 64MB and 5MP with 128MB. Therefore, we could make use of the camera at it full rather than spending extra getting memory card and keep the bundle card aside. Isn't it for them not to bundle that card and lower the price? Weird world!!!

Dman

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[shane110435]

all too true i would of a bought a d7i sooner if it came with a large card as i was trying to make my decision....AND IM SURE THERE is many companys that would of sold memory cards cheap to sell with the d7i as it gets there card out there but there must be something going on card companys must not want camera makers to sell large cards as they would rather sell it separate and suck our money....a hidden law they have got going but when i bought a camera i made them do a deal with a 256 card and spare batteries but still i want a higher card$$$$ well you cant complain its better than buying film.....................buying a camera with a large card has to be cheaper than buying them separate....even if the camera is a little more expensive.....

p.s i farted

 

[Scotsman]

I would just as soon see the cameras come without a card!! Let me get my own and reduce the price a little. That 16Mb card in my D7i has never been used. I already had a couple of big cards waiting for mine when it arrived. Remember the only film cameras that come with film are the toys. Have you ever gotten a Nikon, Minolta or Leica with a roll of film in the box?

all too true i would of a bought a d7i sooner if it came with a
large card as i was trying to make my decision....AND IM SURE THERE
is many companys that would of sold memory cards cheap to sell with
the d7i as it gets there card out there but there must be something
going on card companys must not want camera makers to sell large
cards as they would rather sell it separate and suck our money....a
hidden law they have got going but when i bought a camera i made
them do a deal with a 256 card and spare batteries but still i want
a higher card$$$$ well you cant complain its better than buying
film.....................buying a camera with a large card has to
be cheaper than buying them separate....even if the camera is a
little more expensive.....

p.s i farted

 

[theswede #100093]

At least they should has a standard for each digital camera. Like
2MP getting a 16MB, a 3MP with 32MB, 4 MP with 64MB and 5MP with
128MB. Therefore, we could make use of the camera at it full rather
than spending extra getting memory card and keep the bundle card
aside. Isn't it for them not to bundle that card and lower the
price? Weird world!!!

A 128 meg card is just useless junk to me. I'd rather pay for a 16 meg card I never use than for a 128 meg card I never use.

I'd prefer if the camera came without a card completely to save me a few more bucks, or maybe with an 8 meg or 4 meg card.

Everyone has different needs. I wouldn't go anywhere without my 1 gig card. Some people feel that 16 megs is useful, even for a 5MP cam (although they tend to change their mind after a while). A camera manufacturer that raises the price to include mid range cards will lose sales bigtime.

What might be nice would be various bundles. However, I doubt they would sell much. People get very conscious of money when buying things like this, and want to spread their costs. Buy a camera one month, big card the next, computer upgrade after that, Photoshop the month after that, then it's time for a new camera again.

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Jesper

 

[PeteGanzel]

.......Use it to store a firmware upgrade when it comes out.

Good Luck,

Pete

 

[CoinRoller]

Pete,

I agree. I keep all the old firmware versions on the 16Mb card, and keep the card with me in the field. I keep the most current version in the "root". That way, if I have to "hard reset" the camera, I can do it in a jiffy. I can also revert to an older firmware if I need to.

This happened once after an airplane ride, and I was glad to have the little card with me.

Steve

 

[Mike Roberts]

Final setup for memory usage (all CF, microdrive, cf w/ laptop, cf w/ imagetank, etc., etc.) varies too much for them to be giving too many folks the end all be all for their memory needs. Best they give you a tiny one that lets you take some pics, but doesn't raise the cost too much.

To the guy who has to have the 1G solution (CF or microdrive), that's a lot of eggs in one basket if you ask me.

Mike Roberts

 

[chuckstr89134]

.......Use it to store a firmware upgrade when it comes out.

Good Luck,

Pete

Pete - what an EXCELLENT idea. I am glad you have shared it and I will be doing the same. I was just on the verge of giving mine away to a friens with a 1.5 megpixel camera.

Thanks

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[theswede #100093]

To the guy who has to have the 1G solution (CF or microdrive),
that's a lot of eggs in one basket if you ask me.

It eliminates the largest point of failure - card swapping. The card never leaves my camera, reducing the risk for failure to an absolute minimum.

I don't want to risk swapping cards if I can avoid it, as all CF problems I have encountered have been either during swap or when the card has been outside the camera.

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Jesper

 

[Dman]

To the guy who has to have the 1G solution (CF or microdrive),
that's a lot of eggs in one basket if you ask me.

It eliminates the largest point of failure - card swapping. The
card never leaves my camera, reducing the risk for failure to an
absolute minimum.

I don't want to risk swapping cards if I can avoid it, as all CF
problems I have encountered have been either during swap or when
the card has been outside the camera.

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Jesper

Yup, it is good to has a 1GB microdrive inside the D7i but sometime, things aren't prefect as they seem. I try to transfer data from my D7i to PC and keep having problem while using a card reader, it was prefect all the time unless errr........ PC got mad, haha!!!

Therefore, if I use a microdrive, i need to remove it from the camera and so, I might encounter dropping of it. One bad thing about microdrive, it drain up battery too. On top of that, when you transfer images from D7i to PC, your D7i need to be ON and therefore, battery been drain for a bad reason.

Although I got 2 128MB CF, I still hate to change it when one finishes, hehe. I think I am going to get 2 more 256MB and 1 512MB (Maybe 2 256MB). I prefer more card rather than pack all into one. (Touch Wood) if you got one large capacity card and it spoil while you are in the process of happy shooting in a remote place, wouldn't you be cursing yourself? As I say before, even i hate to change the card, I still think having a number of it are better than getting one BIG one.

Another disadvantage of getting a BIG card. May I ask how many times do you really upload those images only when the card is full? You don't, right? You upload once you finish one set of image. Let's say on average, you been taking at most 256MB and you upload. Therefore, only that 256 MB potion been used all the time while the rest of the space seem wasted. Unless you been taking RAW image, I got nothing to say. Other than that, I suppose your images are normal ones and do you think you make full use of your microdrive? Since the rest of the space you hardly use, could they be written if you went on a tour and you shoot over the 256MB mark? It is a 50/50 chance of not functioning as in my view. Remember, microdrive function like a HD and therefore, the inner tracks first and then the outer. Base on my view, I don't go for Microdrive if I got another choice.

Maybe different ppl having different view on microdrive but for my, unless I really got make full use of it else, forget it.

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[Mike Roberts]

To the guy who has to have the 1G solution (CF or microdrive),
that's a lot of eggs in one basket if you ask me.

It eliminates the largest point of failure - card swapping. The
card never leaves my camera, reducing the risk for failure to an
absolute minimum.

I don't want to risk swapping cards if I can avoid it, as all CF
problems I have encountered have been either during swap or when
the card has been outside the camera.

Except for dropping a microdrive and the random electron knocked for a loop by cosmic rays (which is more likely the bigger the memory) it is almost certain that any corruptions you have experienced are actually during a write operation and that you don't notice (and, often, the writing device doesn't either) until the card is removed and put in another device (or back in the camera).

Mike Roberts

 

[theswede #100093]

Except for dropping a microdrive and the random electron knocked
for a loop by cosmic rays (which is more likely the bigger the
memory) it is almost certain that any corruptions you have
experienced are actually during a write operation and that you
don't notice (and, often, the writing device doesn't either) until
the card is removed and put in another device (or back in the
camera).

Thanks for making my point.

Since I never take the card out, but just shoot away and then download straight from the cam to the 'puter, and then format the card in camera to empty it, I'm minimizing my risk.

If I had several cards and kept swapping, I might run into the problem you just described. Now I neatly avoid it.

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Jesper

 

[theswede #100093]

Yup, it is good to has a 1GB microdrive inside the D7i but
sometime, things aren't prefect as they seem. I try to transfer
data from my D7i to PC and keep having problem while using a card
reader, it was prefect all the time unless errr........ PC got mad,
haha!!!

I use a real OS, so I have no problems downloading from the camera.

One bad thing about microdrive, it drain up battery too.

I get 100-150 pictures per battery charge. That's plenty for my purposes.

On top of that, when you transfer images from D7i to PC, your D7i need to be ON and
therefore, battery been drain for a bad reason.

Battery drain is battery drain, no matter what the reason. Besides, there are wallwarts to handle this. For a little peace of mind I can deal with this.

if you got one large capacity card and it spoil while
you are in the process of happy shooting in a remote place,
wouldn't you be cursing yourself?

No. I'd be happy for the lack of trouble I had until then. Then I'd pop in the spare microdrive (which I would get if I was going to a remote place).

As I say before, even i hate to
change the card, I still think having a number of it are better
than getting one BIG one.

For critical work, I'd have several BIG ones.

Another disadvantage of getting a BIG card. May I ask how many
times do you really upload those images only when the card is full?

Never.

You don't, right? You upload once you finish one set of image.

Yep.

Let's say on average, you been taking at most 256MB and you upload.
Therefore, only that 256 MB potion been used all the time while the
rest of the space seem wasted.

Until the day I need it. Then it's not wasted. And until then it gives me peace of mind, knowing I have the capacity.

Since the rest of the space you hardly use, could they be written
if you went on a tour and you shoot over the 256MB mark? It is a
50/50 chance of not functioning as in my view.

Superstition. Hard disks don't work that way. Especially not a microdrive. It either works or it doesn't.

Remember, microdrive
function like a HD and therefore, the inner tracks first and then
the outer.

Of course. Which has no relevance what so ever on the functionality of the tracks.

Base on my view, I don't go for Microdrive if I got another choice.

If I could get solid state cards at the same, or only slightly higher, price, I would go for it. Unfortunately that's not so. A 1GB drive is a bit over $200. A 512 meg solid state is around $200. At twice the cost, I'll leave solid state for the paranoid.

Maybe different ppl having different view on microdrive but for my,
unless I really got make full use of it else, forget it.

I get full use of it. I can shoot away without worrying about space. To me that's worth having it.

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[Kassie]

Dman,

I noticed all yoru outdoor shots are undetrcast. I have the same problem with most of my shots; even though they were taken in a sunny day. I wonder what causes this.

sultan

To the guy who has to have the 1G solution (CF or microdrive),
that's a lot of eggs in one basket if you ask me.

It eliminates the largest point of failure - card swapping. The
card never leaves my camera, reducing the risk for failure to an
absolute minimum.

I don't want to risk swapping cards if I can avoid it, as all CF
problems I have encountered have been either during swap or when
the card has been outside the camera.

--
Jesper

Yup, it is good to has a 1GB microdrive inside the D7i but
sometime, things aren't prefect as they seem. I try to transfer
data from my D7i to PC and keep having problem while using a card
reader, it was prefect all the time unless errr........ PC got mad,
haha!!!

Therefore, if I use a microdrive, i need to remove it from the
camera and so, I might encounter dropping of it. One bad thing
about microdrive, it drain up battery too. On top of that, when you
transfer images from D7i to PC, your D7i need to be ON and
therefore, battery been drain for a bad reason.

Although I got 2 128MB CF, I still hate to change it when one
finishes, hehe. I think I am going to get 2 more 256MB and 1 512MB
(Maybe 2 256MB). I prefer more card rather than pack all into one.
(Touch Wood) if you got one large capacity card and it spoil while
you are in the process of happy shooting in a remote place,
wouldn't you be cursing yourself? As I say before, even i hate to
change the card, I still think having a number of it are better
than getting one BIG one.

Another disadvantage of getting a BIG card. May I ask how many
times do you really upload those images only when the card is full?
You don't, right? You upload once you finish one set of image.
Let's say on average, you been taking at most 256MB and you upload.
Therefore, only that 256 MB potion been used all the time while the
rest of the space seem wasted. Unless you been taking RAW image, I
got nothing to say. Other than that, I suppose your images are
normal ones and do you think you make full use of your microdrive?
Since the rest of the space you hardly use, could they be written
if you went on a tour and you shoot over the 256MB mark? It is a
50/50 chance of not functioning as in my view. Remember, microdrive
function like a HD and therefore, the inner tracks first and then
the outer. Base on my view, I don't go for Microdrive if I got
another choice.

Maybe different ppl having different view on microdrive but for my,
unless I really got make full use of it else, forget it.

Dman
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