"its the photographer, not the camera" - explain!

Marc - I am serious:

Did you ever think about writing a kind of 'Manual how to create photographs using a digital camera' with no regards to equipment, skills or IQ of the one who is interessted in extending his horizon?

This would save the world tons of digital garbage - although it seems memory resources are unlimited and cheap enough to get wasted.

Thomas
 
This is getting exhausting, guys. I am sure all more experienced shooters see exactly both your points and somehow they are not all so different if we can put in enough disclaimers, qualifiers in what we say.
Agreed. In some, gear ends ups playing a larger role than it does in other situations, but it always makes at least some difference. Similarly, in some situations, the photographer makes a bigger difference than he does in other situations, but he also makes at least some difference. In pretty much all cases, it's a bit of both; the questions are just ones of degree. The only real difference is the slant we might each put on all this. There really doesn't have to be a "debate" on any of this.

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KentG wrote:
" It requires a skill known as panning.

That; and anticipating the instant when motion is nearly . . . well, motionless . Tennis, basketball, and track and field photos are especially good examples to study.

Many of the great sports photos were made by people who weren't just excellent photographers, but who also had much experience with the sport itself and could nail the exact moment when their equipment was best matched to the action and when the emotions of the participants were most likely to be a part of the shot.

H2
 
Put that driver on a moped. Give one of his PEERS the porsche - who wins?

silly argument. Skilled photographer with right tools for job produces better photos more consistently than skilled photographer with wrong tools for job.
True - but consider this: even entry level DSLRs are a vast improvement over DSLRs of just a few years ago. And talented photographers somehow produced amazing work with those inferior devices. Of course, anyone serious about photography is going to want to use the best tools that they can afford. Part of being 'professional' is being committed to using the best tools for the job. But I'm suspicious of any photographer who produces mediocre work that thinks a better camera is going to make them a better photographer.

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Well said, Kjell! Hear, hear!

I have been providing images to StockFood - The Food Image Agency, working for a glossy publication in my city, and selling photos in several galleries around the state for over three years now, all with my lil' ol K20D and before that, my littler and older K10D. . . For most of that time, I only had the kit 18-55mm lens to do all that. Now, of course, I am lucky (or had enough money) to have several great lenses: the 12-24mm, the 50mm f/1.4 and the 55-300mm, all made by dear old Pentax, not some ginormously priced Canikon company. . .

Cindy
Is it really hard to understand? A skilled photographer can do more with better equipment, but a lousy one won't be helped by a Hassy.

Just as the best word processor can't write a good novel, and sqirrel tail brushes can't paint "The last supper".
Now is that so hard to see?

Check this: http://minoxhistoricalsociety.wordpress.com/contest-2-results/

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Gary - I agree. That's why it's so important when you're running into problems with photography to seek out advice from people that shoot what you shoot regardless of system. Those people are in the best position to help you diagnose your problems. For example, I've gotten a lot of advice from nikon sports shooters even though I shoot Canon. They've helped me figure out along the way when problems are with me, with my workflow, with my position, or with the limitations of the gear I'm using.

That's the tough part about the internet - there are a LOT of opinions, but most of them aren't really based on experience. I agree there is way too often a jump to blame equipment. BUT, there are also certain styles of photography that require more advanced tools than others. For example, in the past month I've done no sports work but a lot of birthday parties, picnics etc. For 90% of those shots, as long as the photographer had a good external flash - you'd be hard pressed to notice a vast difference in results vs. the kit I used (assuming we were both of same skill level). so, buying a $4000 body and $1000 lens and $400 flash is just silly for that type of work. BUT, when you go onto a basketball court and you need ISO 3200-6400, fast and accurate focus tracking and f2.8 or better lenses WITH fast focus motors, there are very noticeable differences.

Similarly with wildlife - if you're shooting seagulls that are hovering around and you have hours to shoot them you don't need top end equipment. But shoot rarer birds where you may only get a single opportunity to get the shot at a good distance, then those expensive lenses and good focus systems pay off.

As an example - another forum I'm on has a very active Pentax community. A number of wildlife shooters - although mostly stationary. For years the shots were very poor quality but everyone patted each other on the back on how good they were. They stayed in their cacoon of the pentax forum and ignored what shooters with other gear were doing. Then suddenly one of the pentax shooters got a Bigma. Within a month of practicing, the bar was raised and the blinders taken off. Suddenly it was obvious that those 200-300mm consumer lenses everyone was using and congratulating each other on were not producing good shots. Not in the same league as what the bigma could do. Long, sharp and fast to focus. Several members now have one and the quality of the bird shots is exponentially better. All because they were finally willing to accept that good equipment can help produce better results and spending $1000 instead of $150 on the used market may actually be a very good investment. Same photographers - better photos because of better gear.

On the other hand there's a member who has a brand spankin new 1dIV and 400mm 2.8 lens and their sports photos are pretty mediocre. So, the right gear doesn't guarantee success but it sure does help the competent photographer.
 
Cindy,

Your 50mm 1.4 is covered by the same focal range as the kit lens. Do you find you are able to make better images with that lens for certain types of shots than the kit lens?

If not, why do you own it?
 
can someone explain how that works? obviously the the photographer has to know which was up to holdthe camera, and some basics of composition, etc but if u'r trying to capture birds in flight, a slow AF will not get you good result, no matter how good the photographer. a poor quality lens will not get you sharp photos, how ever good your skill?
I don't think AF too slow for birds in flight exist. Lenses of to poor quality is very rare and certainly not available from Pentax.

There are no camera that composes a photograph. Theres hardly any technical issues on any quality cameras these days that prevent photographers to take their images as long as we are talking "normal" photography.
 
A pro might get very good pictures - professional quality, publishable, even - with the disposable camera or entry level DSLR and kit lens, but obviously, he won't get the pictures that require long telephoto lenses.
Galen Rowell shot a wrap-around front page on Audobon Magazine (I think it was) with a Nikon P&S (film) camera.
 
can someone explain how that works? obviously the the photographer has to know which was up to holdthe camera, and some basics of composition, etc but if u'r trying to capture birds in flight, a slow AF will not get you good result, no matter how good the photographer.
Nonsense. For one thing, there is always MF, not just for the "olden days", but as a viable way of increasing ones odds of success in certain cases even today. The better photographers know when those cases are. But they also know when to use AF-S versus AF-C, they know when to select focus points versus use the center point only versus let the camera select. When selecting a focus point, they are good at tracking the subject in the viewfinder and keeping it within range of the selected focus points. They know all about pre-focusing (manually or using AF) and when to employ it and have their cameras set up to make this easier, and similarly for using Quick Shift.

And that's just focus - probably about 17th on the list of important things in differentiating great from average photography. Getting past focus but on to the much more important stuff, the better photographers know where and when to position themselves for the best shots, and the patience to actually do this rather than just shooting from the hip. They have the necessary skill to pan shots when appropriate. They have a feel for the best moments to snap the shutter but also make effective use of burst shooting where appropriate. They understand how to set exposure in the most appropriate way for the situation, and they tend to have good eyes for composition. They know how and when to "create" moments when necessary as opposed to just waiting for them to happen - but they also have a good sense about when they will happen and are prepared for them. They recognize good lighting when they see it, but know how to modify it or otherwise adjust when necessary. They know what scenes won't end up being worth photographing, and they know how to edit their own shots to present only the best. They know how to make effective use of PP to best present the selected shots according to their own creative vision.

I could go on and on and on.
a poor quality lens will not get you sharp photos, how ever good your skill?
This is of course true to some degree, if the lens is really poor. But the question really is, just how good does the lens have to be to get good results? The basic DA "kit" zooms are considered by many to be only so-so at best, and yet there are professional (and not so professional) photographers out there producing amazing results with them.
Extremely well put!
 
Nonsense. For one thing, there is always MF, not just for the "olden days", but as a viable way of increasing ones odds of success in certain cases even today.
i agree.

I never tried to use autofocus to take pictures of flying dragonflies. Subject is too small, fast and unpredictable to be sure you can take the right point to (auto)focus on. Usually you have 1-2 seconds to point, focus and shoot while dragonflies are hovering. Some don't make any hovering, you take pictures while flying slow. 135 F, 200 FA, 300 FA.









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As I said, a skilled photographer can do more with better equipment, but unfortunately it doesn't work the other way.

I've got some good lenses: FA 35mm, FAand F50mm 1.4, A* 85mm, A* 200mm, F* 300mm, A* 600mm. Why am I not on the cover of Vouge and Nat Geo every week?, The gear is up to it!

(My philosophy is that if I have good gear, I know it's me who have to get better if I want better results).

Kjell
 
Kjell,

I agree. You must have skill first. But once you have that skill, better gear does make a difference. I was hoping Cindy would answer my question though. Some people seem to be making this a Pentax vs. Canon/Nikon (and yes, it's OK to actually spell them out). That's simply not the case.

People like to throw out the trite expression that it's the photographer and not the equipment - but any accomplished photographer will tell you it's both. The proper tools allow them to create better images. What "proper" is depends on what job needs to be done.
 
will a stienway make you a concert pianist?

a paintbrush, a master?
As a professional pianist, and someone with at least as much experience with painting as I have in photography, I'd say that these are nice analogies to make a point, but realistically, the gear does matter quite a lot more in photography than with pianos or painting. The main difference being the sort of obvious one the OP apparently had in mind: it doesn't take a giant degree of skill to take a reasonably successful (if not highly artistic) snapshot. Whereas just reaching that same level in music or painting (representational painting, anyhow) is a heck of a lot harder, so skill plays a much bigger role just in reaching the "snapshot" level.

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Usually when I see this statement, it's in response to someone complaining about a possible mechanical problem with their camera or a design fault. Frequently the responses are that it's the photographer's fault, not the camera's. In other words, a good photographer wouldn't have that problem. Are you asking in this vein, or are you trying to find out which is more important to acheive high quality photos - which all the answers have been geared towards?
 
Sports and wildlife photographer are highly specialized fields, and definitely require the right gear and technical expertise to be done well. The best photographers in this case require talent and gear. Most other types of photography can be done well with modest equipment, however. That includes, candid and street photography (where smaller, less conspicuous gear is actually an asset), photojournalism, macro and landscape photography, portraiture, etc. In other words, MOST photography arguably is within reach of the budget photographer.

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